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Cicada · 11 Apr 2003, 22:24

and i'm just wondering why this game is so politically retarded. Should we blame it all on Fury and Legion for creating that first powerblock way back before most of you even know what this game was about...

and on that, what do you all feel the need to continue their legacy of wank powerblocking...

just wondering..is ther any way we'll ever get some kinda geopolitical stability, or maybe even some alliances not being gutless...

guess not

11 Apr 2003, 22:25

vac mode should be disabled

Scouse · 11 Apr 2003, 22:26

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Originally posted by Dreadnought!
vac mode should be disabled

No it shouldn't. It just shouldn't be abused.

Cicada · 11 Apr 2003, 22:26

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Originally posted by Dreadnought!
vac mode should be disabled

bored too?

Scorpio · 11 Apr 2003, 22:26

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Originally posted by Cicada
or maybe even some alliances not being gutless...

There used to be a few, some still even exist today. But something has changed. Dunno what. It's a shame really

Bring back Xanadu & Fury ... for good fights.
Bring back Legion ... for sideshow entertainment.

11 Apr 2003, 22:28

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Originally posted by Cicada
bored too?

Yes :|

Cicada · 11 Apr 2003, 22:30

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Originally posted by Dreadnought!
Yes :|

i spent the last 1/2 an hour trolling through logs and stuff looking for my old xyz's for my board sig..

and now i'm having an argument with zhukov about a game i've never even played, or seen actually...

RooKie · 11 Apr 2003, 22:32

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Originally posted by Dreadnought!
vac mode should be disabled

Dreadnought should be disabled.

G.K Zhukov · 11 Apr 2003, 22:36

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Originally posted by RooKie
Dreadnought should be disabled.

Amen

Hicks · 11 Apr 2003, 22:50

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Originally posted by Scorpio
There used to be a few, some still even exist today. But something has changed. Dunno what. It's a shame really

Bring back Xanadu & Fury ... for good fights.
Bring back Legion ... for sideshow entertainment.

Aye, at least there was a point to power blocking then, beating the scum

Fury/Xanadu rivilary was cool.

Zh|l · 11 Apr 2003, 23:32

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Originally posted by Hicks
Aye, at least there was a point to power blocking then, beating the scum Fury/Xanadu rivilary was cool.

But it got old. It's a pity Xanadu didnt last to r8. We may have been able to see a Fury/Xanadu team.

K-W · 11 Apr 2003, 23:32

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Originally posted by Cicada
and i'm just wondering why this game is so politically retarded. Should we blame it all on Fury and Legion for creating that first powerblock way back before most of you even know what this game was about...

and on that, what do you all feel the need to continue their legacy of wank powerblocking...

just wondering..is ther any way we'll ever get some kinda geopolitical stability, or maybe even some alliances not being gutless...

guess not

You answer your question in your post. Weve spent 9 rounds now blaming a few people for the state of the game and what good has it done us? We will never get out of this pattern as long as people think that powerblocking happens because of a minority of evil players. From rd 1 - rd 5 there is a natural progression of events that led to this pattern. You could have had monkeys playing the game, it still woudl have happened.

We can change the game, but not if people refuse to recognize the causes of what happens.

Jykke · 12 Apr 2003, 00:01

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Originally posted by Zh|l
But it got old. It's a pity Xanadu didnt last to r8. We may have been able to see a Fury/Xanadu team.

after all the rounds before, it would have been very interesting ending

wubanger · 12 Apr 2003, 00:09

Xan/Fury in rnd 8 wouldn't have turned out too well, the rnd 6 or 7 version of Xan would have been a much better partner imho. I take this to mean that what Ramses said to me about how he was negotiating with Fury for some possible cooperation as legit then?

laputa · 12 Apr 2003, 00:56

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Originally posted by Scouse
No it shouldn't. It just shouldn't be abused.

there is no abuse. if you want a break press the button - it is that simple.

Kjeldoran · 12 Apr 2003, 00:59

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Originally posted by Dreadnought!
vac mode should be disabled

couldn't agree more

rgds Kj

Zh|l · 12 Apr 2003, 01:47

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Originally posted by wubanger
Xan/Fury in rnd 8 wouldn't have turned out too well, the rnd 6 or 7 version of Xan would have been a much better partner imho. I take this to mean that what Ramses said to me about how he was negotiating with Fury for some possible cooperation as legit then?

Xanadu offered a deal to Fury for r7. Fury declined almost immediately if my memory serves me correctly. This was when Sid was still around.

Silk_311x · 12 Apr 2003, 04:14

Xanadu and Fury combination would of been fun to play in, but not very much fun to play against.

G.K Zhukov · 12 Apr 2003, 04:19

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Originally posted by Silk_311x
Xanadu and Fury combination would of been fun to play in, but not very much fun to play against.

A Xanadu without, or with LDK, and its other wings?

Silk_311x · 12 Apr 2003, 04:24

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
A Xanadu without, or with LDK, and its other wings?

Either really... although with all there wings, it would make there bite that much more potent

Aviendha1975 · 12 Apr 2003, 05:16

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Originally posted by K-W
You answer your question in your post. Weve spent 9 rounds now blaming a few people for the state of the game and what good has it done us? We will never get out of this pattern as long as people think that powerblocking happens because of a minority of evil players. From rd 1 - rd 5 there is a natural progression of events that led to this pattern. You could have had monkeys playing the game, it still woudl have happened.

We can change the game, but not if people refuse to recognize the causes of what happens.

Hmm.

Simple fact is, it started with a few and after a while everyone caught on to the fact that winning and dominating wasn't per se about skills, it's about numbers and/or organisation.
The main difference between alliances then in the 'good ol' days' was the level of organisation and the know-how in politics (ie just pick yourself an ally that is more or less evenly organised and just point the combined forces in one direction).
In those days we could even still get away with sharing defences, which tbh in the current climate is like backstabbing yourself, due to the oh so lovely retal rules and bs'ing in shared command channels.

Simple truth is everyone now knows the rules it can be played by, and you can't blame anyone for abusing them to the max heh.

I doubt it's ever gonna go away unless the game-play becomes seriously damaging to the advantages of blocking.

PA is moving towards a perfect 'the end justifies the means'-situation.

A random round softened it a bit, but in a private universe, wether you block first or block last in response, you'll always be the culprit

Put your hopes on the brains for R10 design to come up with a hopefully block-proof design, cause after all we are all way too smart and will figure out any backdoors in no time

RooKie · 12 Apr 2003, 05:59

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Originally posted by K-W
You answer your question in your post. Weve spent 9 rounds now blaming a few people for the state of the game and what good has it done us? We will never get out of this pattern as long as people think that powerblocking happens because of a minority of evil players. From rd 1 - rd 5 there is a natural progression of events that led to this pattern. You could have had monkeys playing the game, it still woudl have happened.

We can change the game, but not if people refuse to recognize the causes of what happens.

You are quite deterministic (I think thats the rigght english word) by nature, Germania.

I think its possible to break the pattern, but then again...thats my nature too.

Scorpio · 12 Apr 2003, 11:24

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Originally posted by wubanger
Xan/Fury in rnd 8 wouldn't have turned out too well, the rnd 6 or 7 version of Xan would have been a much better partner imho. I take this to mean that what Ramses said to me about how he was negotiating with Fury for some possible cooperation as legit then?

Xanadu round 8 would have been a new Xanadu. I actually set up plans for it, before i was told we would disband

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
A Xanadu without, or with LDK, and its other wings?

To be honest, I'm not too sure whether LDK would have left if they had known about the 'new' Xanadu

Aside from that, we'd still have atleast 2 wings... Vikings and Core, with enough firepower to give any alliance a hard time

JammyJim · 12 Apr 2003, 11:33

id blame concordium and t6e more than legion and fury tbh.

this does presume your willing to blame people who were playing 3 years ago in round 1 of a game that noone had ever heard of before....

this wouldve happened regardless of past actions.

Urkki · 12 Apr 2003, 12:04

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Originally posted by Aviendha1975
Simple truth is everyone now knows the rules it can be played by, and you can't blame anyone for abusing them to the max heh.

Of course you can blame them, and rightfully so. If you can use word abuse, you can blame those who do it. It comes directly from the definition of word 'abuse', you know. If you abuse the 'rules of fairness' in a way that destroys the game, then, by definition, you can and should be blamed of it. If you don't like being a selfish cnut, then don't be one, simple as that...

Think of R8 for example, that was fun, and even. And it would have stayed fun and even if it hadn't been cut short, too. Based on my PA an alliance experience, I'd tend to thank the HCs of the leadeing alliances of R8 for that.

Oh, yeah, but Fury was losing... So Fury HCs had to prevent this round from being fun and even... Has Fury ever won an even fight, anyway? But, thanks a bunch, WEET HCs in general and Fury HCs in particular. You have made this round unique! I will always remember what you did for the game and community this round!

furssie · 12 Apr 2003, 12:18

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Originally posted by Scorpio
There used to be a few, some still even exist today. But something has changed. Dunno what. It's a shame really

Bring back Xanadu & Fury ... for good fights.
Bring back Legion ... for sideshow entertainment.

I love you Scorpio

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Originally posted by Zh|l
But it got old. It's a pity Xanadu didnt last to r8. We may have been able to see a Fury/Xanadu team.

True. Interesting.
I wonder how it will turn out.