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Unread 11 May 2017, 05:55   #51
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Re: R72 shipstats

What is the point of the cutlass? Cath and Xan both prefire with 150 and 90% eff. Why not just make it steal so that when you do get defended vs you have a chance to gain out of it. I know beetle prefires both and if an ally decides to go CO based they will got 2:1 Cath:Zik.
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Unread 11 May 2017, 05:58   #52
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So, question. I've never done stats, so I might be way off, but would it be possible to make a stat set like:

Ter: Heavy armor, expensive, fr/de/cr/bs only, no small ships
Cath: Light to Heavy, all ships have T3=all but with a low effective rate,
Xan: All light, cheap, fast. Fi/co/fr/de only, low armor to go with cheap price
Zik: steal only, heavy expensive ships like ter, t3=all like cath, but again low effective rate.
Etd: skips the round.

I like this idea (of course I would, right?) But have no idea how you all make stats, but maybe this general guideline is a good start, if not in time for round 72, perhaps a future round.

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Re: R72 shipstats

BS being strong is the reason i suggested moving etd bs to cr. Cr as a whole is going to be heavily under represented being only emp and that makes Fr fleets able to spam only one ship which is always advantageous.


Ter Bs having low init plus Etd Bs emp is a little absurd. Especially when the only only thing that fires at it is the dealer, and it has the same init which generally makes things wonky when it comes to emp.


Edit: I didnt see Scarab previously. I dont know what to think now. Cath low init normal ships blow my mind
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Re: R72 shipstats

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BS being strong is the reason i suggested moving etd bs to cr. Cr as a whole is going to be heavily under represented being only emp and that makes Fr fleets able to spam only one ship which is always advantageous.


Ter Bs having low init plus Etd Bs emp is a little absurd. Especially when the only only thing that fires at it is the dealer, and it has the same init which generally makes things wonky when it comes to emp.


Edit: I didnt see Scarab previously. I dont know what to think now. Cath low init normal ships blow my mind
Etd BS used to be 2 cr EMP ships. And 2 full emp fleets teaming up seemed well useless. I talked with paisley and we were thinking of making cr emp stronger than other emp by 10-15% to promote using cr.

About the scarab. I prefered a cr ship to prefire BS. But etd/zik only had stealers which couldn't be changed to kill cause it would mess up the design. Xan had no cr ship and cat was emp. Ter already had 2 prefire ships so couldn't take a 3rd. So in the end i had settle for changing the cat ship to same init as bs and giving it a lower eff. It will stop bs, but it's not a great ship either
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Ter De/Bs... emp-cover -_-
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Unread 13 May 2017, 15:40   #56
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Re: R72 shipstats

Congradulations to Paisley for putting together the winning set for R72

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They are now unofficially final giving everyone 1 week to review them and post up any "major" problems/bugs that were overlooked

When signups open the stats are officially final and any problems/bugs you find afterwards will remain unfixed.

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Unread 13 May 2017, 15:56   #58
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Unread 13 May 2017, 19:39   #59
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thanks to jintoa for finishing the stats and not doing a kaiba with my set.
Lol! To be fair I went AWOL and he reckoned they weren't finished, I did over emo a bit, they were like 95% mine still.

Nice set Paisley, my only concern is BS, if I was playing I would 100% be Ter BS
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Re: R72 shipstats

Well seeing that Jintao just confirmed EMP is done.
Id jump on that bandwagon Kaiba, while BS seems to be very favourable, Tulas freezes 150% BS, while the roach freezes 200% FR(new PA record?)
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Unread 14 May 2017, 22:30   #61
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Well seeing that Jintao just confirmed EMP is done.
Id jump on that bandwagon Kaiba, while BS seems to be very favourable, Tulas freezes 150% BS, while the roach freezes 200% FR(new PA record?)
Emp isn't a detterant. It's the way to help a deterrent.
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Unread 16 May 2017, 07:54   #62
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Re: R72 shipstats

Way too many same inits for my liking, but I guess this is what we have to live with. CR emp effs are somewhat justified since it's alone (no off the shell teamup [which isn't an issue for anyone wanting to teamup CR with ZIK or even ETD]). After changes this turned out to just another jintao set tbh, rather boring and after initial thoughts of "woo, this might be an offensive set", you look closer and go: "ffs, it's an init to win it round".
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Re: R72 shipstats

Not to bad stats if init stays same as last round don't agree on an init to win to be honest was expensive to init emo is always strong it's part and parcel of emp not killing let's hope they are actually finished now so the brains behind the tags can sort strats for alliances
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Unread 17 May 2017, 17:52   #64
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Re: R72 shipstats

Final changes to paisley's set based on the feedback i received:

Not all ships had the traditional cost setting. Cost stayed the same, just changed the distribution between resources to match traditions
Changed dealer: Init 1 => 2 & EMP receiving eff 150% => 100%
Changed pegagus: -2 Damage
Changed merchant: EMP receiving eff 150% => 125%
Changed Tarantuale EMP damage eff 150% => 165%
Renamed shadow => Tzen Bolt Thrower (Sprally is in love with this ship and wanted it back. Hope you 2 live long lives together)

Stats are now final and no further changes will be made. Happy hunting...

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Unread 18 May 2017, 07:49   #65
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oh pls, there was 2 changes that were actually required, everything else was quite fine. Viper needed init 3 (and prolly a slight price cut due to that) and Vendor definitely needed to be a kill ship. Even Dealer was fine. Now you left the 2 biggest flaws in there (which isn't a surprise if you listened to farmer-bob), renamed a perfectly decent shipname to a name that actually is 2 names (both Tzen and Bolt Thrower used to be separate ships, now it feels like it came off as a fail copypaste). Peg damage debuff is justifiable (was a tad high), Merc change is rather irrelevant, Tula change did really nothing, dealer was already fine, now it changes just a tad, but not really relevantly.

BUT THE BIGGER QUESTION IS WHY YOU LEFT A CLEAR WIDE OPEN STEAL ABUSE HONEYPOT IN THERE? ETD has the best damn CO ship in the game and you still can steal CO pods for ETD!
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renamed a perfectly decent shipname to a name that actually is 2 names (both Tzen and Bolt Thrower used to be separate ships, now it feels like it came off as a fail copypaste)

It actually used to be one ship before they separated it
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BUT THE BIGGER QUESTION IS WHY YOU LEFT A CLEAR WIDE OPEN STEAL ABUSE HONEYPOT IN THERE? ETD has the best damn CO ship in the game and you still can steal CO pods for ETD!
and folk thought it was going to be a frig/de round
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pssh, easy solutions like DE may look good on the first sight, but then you look at the bigger picture and it's not that great anymore. FR never was great to begin with.
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oh pls, there was 2 changes that were actually required, everything else was quite fine. Viper needed init 3 (and prolly a slight price cut due to that) and Vendor definitely needed to be a kill ship. Even Dealer was fine. Now you left the 2 biggest flaws in there (which isn't a surprise if you listened to farmer-bob), renamed a perfectly decent shipname to a name that actually is 2 names (both Tzen and Bolt Thrower used to be separate ships, now it feels like it came off as a fail copypaste). Peg damage debuff is justifiable (was a tad high), Merc change is rather irrelevant, Tula change did really nothing, dealer was already fine, now it changes just a tad, but not really relevantly.

BUT THE BIGGER QUESTION IS WHY YOU LEFT A CLEAR WIDE OPEN STEAL ABUSE HONEYPOT IN THERE? ETD has the best damn CO ship in the game and you still can steal CO pods for ETD!
The only thing i complained about was the tula eff.
And yeah, as eksero said, Tzen Bolt Thrower is the original name, maybe thats why sprally wanted it as he was playing back then.

I think its silly that we are gonna make stats based on not having ship farming.
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Re: R72 shipstats

Only thing i'm gonna say it's not my job to stop cheating

If i follow the co logic. I should also change the etd/zik cr ships since they could be used as teamups for Cat since it's a 1 ship build

Hell it would be true for pretty much any steal ship probably
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Etd (who doesn't straight forward steal to CR) and zik CR aren't game changers on teamups, even if they do improve cath Cr land chances (it's still just steals). ETD co instead makes a co team n+3 times better (rather op even). If you can't see the logic there, I can't be sure if you're blind or just stupid. (saying that just prolly made sure it ain't gonna happen, but it had to be said).

I do know it's not your job to stop cheating, but it sure as h*LL ain't advocating it with obvious design flaws either.
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Etd (who doesn't straight forward steal to CR) and zik CR aren't game changers on teamups, even if they do improve cath Cr land chances (it's still just steals). ETD co instead makes a co team n+3 times better (rather op even). If you can't see the logic there, I can't be sure if you're blind or just stupid. (saying that just prolly made sure it ain't gonna happen, but it had to be said).

I do know it's not your job to stop cheating, but it sure as h*LL ain't advocating it with obvious design flaws either.
A) insulting people will get you nowhere and will stop everyone paying attention to your point and instead focus on your attitude.

B) Jintao is 100% correct in what he says. He is here to have the final say on proposed stat sets and decide what works to make the stats the best they can be. It is NOT his job to make sure every stat set is uncheatable. That is the job of the MH team to watch for and deal with those that wish to cheat to win.

You need to stop making out like you know what's best. I haven't seen a set of stats produced by you, maybe doing so would add more credence to your arguments?
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Anyway these are for Recluse:

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A) insulting people will get you nowhere and will stop everyone paying attention to your point and instead focus on your attitude.
Don't you sit around on these forums and do just that?
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Maybe in the past, not anymore. It's a valid point regardless. I'm surprised you still come here
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Maybe in the past, not anymore.
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So literally every uncool person is listed here. You people have no taste.

You said Clouds and butcher fs....

You might as well have said green_cat and gm to prove you were trolling
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There is no insult there, merely an opinion. Someone else had listed names as per the thread subject, I commented.

Nox directly insulted jintao, big difference
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Re: R72 shipstats

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There is no insult there, merely an opinion.
Ohhh, it's just your opinion. My bad!
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Nice stats this round big up the stats maker
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That's for jintao to decide. They are in the link above.
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I like stats this round. Seems Jintao is stepping up and doing a good final touch <3 Jintao <3
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Re: R72 shipstats

In response to Kaiba:
A) If insults such as "blind or just stupid" hurt you bad, internet is prolly not your place, and it was only a more openly worded response to his earlier post about logic (where he [with incorrect reference too] insulted my intelligence).

B) It's been the norm for ages that the actual farmer hardly ever gets a penalty, only the farm(s) get(s) closed and the stolen ships stay. Not taking this into account with the stats themselves is IMO being either lazy or stupid or both.
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Tough defence stats, I like!
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Very offensive stats imo, interesting to see who'll be able to keep roids, I know I wont!
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Nobody will keep roids in this set XP FTW!!!
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I 'think' I like this stat
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Xan ftw
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Goodluck everyone!
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Good luck everyone.
For now, I think I prefer r71 stats mainly because we had more strat choices. Even if those stats have more depth/balance than you might think I do feel more limited.
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good luck all
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not bad Paisley and Jintao
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I'm glad you brought the Tzen back into the fold.
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