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treelo · 12 Sep 2003, 16:48

i heard something on the news today. good old Tony is at it again that dope smoking fiend. moving closer to the legalisation of cannabis they say.

from what i have heard it's pretty much the same bs they were going through last time all this came up. reclassification and all that nonsense.

but now its 'OK' for ppl over the age of 17 to possess dope?
you can possess a certain amount and not get busted?

look Tony.

Nobody gives a sh*t. The only people who really know what they are going on about are the people who toke. They had some bearded nonce moaning about cannabis being the evil gateway drug that WILL lead to crack and smack. not maybe. Kids.... don't smoke dope, you will end up thieving off anything with legs to feed your smack habit.

My drugs policy?

1. legalise cannabis.
2. prove to kids the sheer stupidity of taking heroin by starting a new reality tv show following a group of heroin users around for a day and to make it educational they can work out how many hits the various items they steal are worth.
3. kill all heroin users.

but the scariest thing is....
Heroin has got to f*cking rock....
it's addictive for a reason ffs

MrL_JaKiri · 12 Sep 2003, 16:55

....?

treelo · 12 Sep 2003, 16:58

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Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
....?

dont ask

i forgot my point halfway through and started rambling.

Ste · 12 Sep 2003, 17:10

What's wrong with their policy on Cannabis?
They can't legalise it in one go because of the outcry it would cause.
So they are near enough legalising it for noone who smokes it to care any different.

Obliterate · 12 Sep 2003, 17:18

You can still get arrested for smoking it in public. People can smoke what they like in their own homes as far as im concerned.

queball · 12 Sep 2003, 17:21

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Originally posted by Ste
What's wrong with their policy on Cannabis?
They can't legalise it in one go because of the outcry it would cause.
So they are near enough legalising it for noone who smokes it to care any different.

What is their policy? "Decriminalisation"?

JC · 12 Sep 2003, 17:22

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Originally posted by Obliterate
You can still get arrested for smoking it in public....

Or around kids whether they be at home or in a public place if i heard the news correctly, i wasnt really concentrating on it.

Ste · 12 Sep 2003, 17:29

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Originally posted by Obliterate
You can still get arrested for smoking it in public. People can smoke what they like in their own homes as far as im concerned.

I'm against smoking in public so thats perfectly acceptable by me.

Ste · 12 Sep 2003, 17:30

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Originally posted by queball
What is their policy? "Decriminalisation"?

"Reclassification"

Class C drug instead of Class B.

CjC · 12 Sep 2003, 17:44

Class C Classification -

Examples: Anabolic steroids, tranquillisers which includes Valium and Rohypnol.

Possession: Maximum 2 years and/or unlimited fine.

Supply: Maximum 5 years imprisonment and/or unlimited fine.

Nodrog · 12 Sep 2003, 18:38

who cares

acropolis · 12 Sep 2003, 18:40

selling marijuana has to be legal before private use can be legalized (i.e., decriminalized).

anything else is idiocy of the highest order

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Originally posted by Nodrog
who cares

you do

Snurx · 12 Sep 2003, 19:28

LEGALIZE, DON'T CRITIZISE! (Ps you dont haffi dread to be rasta, mon!)

Anyways, legalize all drugs. It's the only way to go!

queball · 12 Sep 2003, 19:31

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Originally posted by acropolis
selling marijuana has to be legal before private use can be legalized (i.e., decriminalized).

anything else is idiocy of the highest order

you do

But decriminalisation specifically means pretending something is legal when it isn't.

acropolis · 12 Sep 2003, 19:39

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Originally posted by queball
But decriminalisation specifically means pretending something is legal when it isn't.

i can just see bush thinking to himslef "i think i'll decriminalize the huge donations i got from halliburton yesterday"

Jammers · 12 Sep 2003, 20:39

So now that the Police have taken control of the whole making law thing, does this mean we can just abolish Parliament?

Tzencath · 12 Sep 2003, 22:07

legalise cannabis and i guarantee drug abuse for other drugs will plumit.

Mirai · 12 Sep 2003, 22:49

Heroin is addictive physically. Basically what happens when you take it is your brain releases a rush of endorphins (natural painkillers) and makes you incredably happy. During this time, your brain gets used to the sensation that it had during the heroin trip, and you just feel bad at all other times. Which gives you the sensation og wanting to do it again.

And then the cycle continues, getting worse and worse every time.

Just do cannabis. It makes you happy enough and doesn't have such horrible side effects.

Bob The Scutter · 13 Sep 2003, 04:59

i dont really see any bad sides of cannibis.. it sorts just feels like your pissed, only a lot more tired. doesnt make you depressed and pissed off at things. and you dont get a hangover

... only thing is you get munchies, and eat more :P
i dont think its ever actually killed someone before has it?
but have you ever thought the government are holding back this decrimninalising because theyre trying so hard to get police figures up?.... if they stopped busting stoners and their dealers arrests would fall by about a quarter or something wouldnt they?

they should concentrate more on busting smack heads and their skags who rob people to feed their addiction

Nodrog · 13 Sep 2003, 07:46

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Originally posted by Tzencath
legalise cannabis and i guarantee drug abuse for other drugs will plumit.

I'd love to hear this one explained.

Mirai · 13 Sep 2003, 07:51

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Originally posted by Nodrog
I'd love to hear this one explained.

Most people start on harder drugs because the dealer where they buy cannabis has it in stock, and does the old 'peer pressure' routine on them to get them hooked.

Take out the backalley dealer and stop the contamination.

Nodrog · 13 Sep 2003, 09:27

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Originally posted by Mirai
Most people start on harder drugs because the dealer where they buy cannabis has it in stock, and does the old 'peer pressure' routine on them to get them hooked.

evidence plz

edit: I'm sure some people start out on harder drugs in that way, but I think its pushing it to say that "most" do. Also, if cannibas is legalised it will lose a lot of its

factor, so the rebellious teenager demographic will probably move onto E or speed or whatever.

edit 2: Not to mention that itll probably still be cheaper to buy it from a dealer by the time ridiculous amounts of tax are added onto the sales price by the government.

Peace · 13 Sep 2003, 10:23

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Originally posted by Bob The Scutter

they should concentrate more on busting smack heads and their skags who rob people to feed their addiction

that's why they changed the law...

Ste · 13 Sep 2003, 10:40

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Originally posted by Nodrog
evidence plz

edit: I'm sure some people start out on harder drugs in that way, but I think its pushing it to say that "most" do. Also, if cannibas is legalised it will lose a lot of its factor, so the rebellious teenager demographic will probably move onto E or speed or whatever.

E is apparently harmless too.

Quote:

edit 2: Not to mention that itll probably still be cheaper to buy it from a dealer by the time ridiculous amounts of tax are added onto the sales price by the government.

and that's what happens in Amsterdam - it's still illegal to grow it or something so the cafes are buying off criminals at there back door and selling legally at the front.

JC · 13 Sep 2003, 11:25

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Originally posted by Ste

E is apparently harmless too.

lolly roffle

Phang · 13 Sep 2003, 11:48

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Originally posted by Bob The Scutter
i dont think its ever actually killed someone before has it?

what

acropolis · 13 Sep 2003, 12:15

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Originally posted by Tzencath
legalise cannabis and i guarantee drug abuse for other drugs will plumit.

decriminalize use of marijuana without legalizing the sale and i guarantee that drug abuse of other drugs will go up. along with murder and other violent crime.

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Originally posted by Nodrog
evidence plz

edit: I'm sure some people start out on harder drugs in that way, but I think its pushing it to say that "most" do. Also, if cannibas is legalised it will lose a lot of its factor, so the rebellious teenager demographic will probably move onto E or speed or whatever.

it's an infrastructure issue.

with pot getting sold to millions of people in britain, a huge infrastructure for the movement of drugs is created, and harder stuff can go along for the ride easily. everyone has two people selling pot in their phy-ed class, and even if they don't sell coke personally they can direct you somewhere else...

Nodrog · 13 Sep 2003, 12:16

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Originally posted by Ste

E is apparently harmless too.

Thats not really relevant though, I dont believen that the 'harmfulness' of a drug has anything to do with whether it should be legalised. However, his point was that legalising cannibas would reduce the amount of people taking other drugs, which is something I find pretty dubious.

inf · 13 Sep 2003, 12:29

They haven't defined how much (weight) is for personal use.

I see a flaw.

TheShadowMan · 13 Sep 2003, 12:40

its true tho ppl will move onto harder drugs less if its leglised.

I hear u say what no reasoning be ind this answer well in most case its true i just spout ****

but here i got a reason.

If its legalised cannabis will probably go thru coffe shop style selling point *eventually*. Thus instead of going to ur local dealer who has everything and will try to tempt u with that nice bag of coke hes got, u will be submerged in a coffe shop in stoners heaven and not at risk of being tempted by illegal drugs as they wont be on display!

Aha!

TSM

TheShadowMan · 13 Sep 2003, 12:41

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Originally posted by inf
They haven't defined how much (weight) is for personal use.

I see a flaw.

5g's probably just to be annoying. just under a qt and just over an 1/8

Proteus · 13 Sep 2003, 12:43

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Originally posted by Ste
E is apparently harmless too.

You must be joking.

Please tell me you're joking...

TheShadowMan · 13 Sep 2003, 12:47

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Originally posted by Proteus
You must be joking.

Please tell me you're joking...

MDMA the part of e is quite harmless when used at the right doses its just the other ****e that they mix with it that fcuks u up

Proteus · 13 Sep 2003, 12:49

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Originally posted by TheShadowMan
MDMA the part of e is quite harmless when used at the right doses its just the other ****e that they mix with it that fcuks u up

That's like saying that cigarettes are safe because the paper doesn't kill you.

inf · 13 Sep 2003, 12:49

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Originally posted by TheShadowMan
5g's probably just to be annoying. just under a qt and just over an 1/8

No, there is no definition. Probably is not good enough.

Nodrog · 13 Sep 2003, 12:49

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Originally posted by Proteus
You must be joking.

Please tell me you're joking...

Its 'apparently harmless' in the sense that there are no non-questionable/refuted studies showing that it causes damage when taken in non-chronic doses.

Scorpio · 13 Sep 2003, 15:10

cannabis... :s

We're on our way to selling XTC in supermarkets here

Bob The Scutter · 13 Sep 2003, 18:40

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Originally posted by Phang
what

i mean, no one has died from over dosing on it as far as i know... if you have too much you just go all white, and are incapable of moving for hours. but im pretty sure no one has OD'd on it

Nodrog · 13 Sep 2003, 18:50

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Originally posted by Bob The Scutter
i mean, no one has died from over dosing on it as far as i know... if you have too much you just go all white, and are incapable of moving for hours. but im pretty sure no one has OD'd on it

Noones ever died from MDMA afaik. All ecstacy deaths have been from either a) people taking it without knowing what it actually does and how to act on it (dehydration), b) allergic reactions, or c) as a direct consequence of it being illegal (other crap being mixed into the pills). There were several studies 'proving' that it caused damage to the brain, but all have been discredited (unless theres been any in the last year that I've missed). I think the current studies that havent been called into question provide enough evidence to suggest that taking 10 pills every weekend for a year is 'probably' bad for you, but theres absoutely nothing I know of that suggests that non-chronic use is detrimental to your health.

Bob The Scutter · 13 Sep 2003, 18:56

i was talking about pot lol, i quoted him after he quoted my last post and asked the question what... but nm, i see your point aswell, id still rather not go near the stuff though

W · 13 Sep 2003, 19:23

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Originally posted by Nodrog
Noones ever died from MDMA afaik. All ecstacy deaths have been from either a) people taking it without knowing what it actually does and how to act on it (dehydration), b) allergic reactions, or c) as a direct consequence of it being illegal (other crap being mixed into the pills). There were several studies 'proving' that it caused damage to the brain, but all have been discredited (unless theres been any in the last year that I've missed). I think the current studies that havent been called into question provide enough evidence to suggest that taking 10 pills every weekend for a year is 'probably' bad for you, but theres absoutely nothing I know of that suggests that non-chronic use is detrimental to your health.

But in Bad Boys II, someone overdosed on E! The E-man even said so!!!

Dace · 13 Sep 2003, 20:50

Random Fact:

Apparantly only 10-20% of people who try 'hard' drugs (eg heroin) actually become addicted to it.

Serious Point:

XTC is harmful. According to a recent report i read (NewScientist like 2 or 3 weeks ago) even one dose of XTC (/coke/speed) can **** with your brain. Apparantly the drug(s) makes it harder for neurons to form connections. As such you cant learn new tasks (/info) as easily as you normally would (up to 3 months after the 'hit').

In addition to this im pretty sure that studies have shown that long term XTC use causes/leads to depression.

This is not even taking into account the immediate physical hazzards of XTC (ie your body loses its water regulatory ability). As such you can die from too much water as well as too little (you need to judge exactly how much water you need ... ie from what you've sweated).

As a drug XTC can also **** with your kidneys.

[/Dace's little lesson for the day]

queball · 13 Sep 2003, 21:06

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Originally posted by Dace

XTC is harmful. According to a recent report i read (NewScientist like 2 or 3 weeks ago) even one dose of XTC (/coke/speed) can **** with your brain. Apparantly the drug(s) makes it harder for neurons to form connections. As such you cant learn new tasks (/info) as easily as you normally would (up to 3 months after the 'hit').

The apology is in this week's New Scientist.

"...it was all a ghastly mistake..."

Dace · 13 Sep 2003, 21:12

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Originally posted by queball
The apology is in this week's New Scientist. :p

"...it was all a ghastly mistake..."

Nah, that relates to something else.

Bad Research which needed an apology IN ANOTHER MAGAZINE and was mentioned in NewScientist = Mislabelled bottle gives 'XTC causes psychosis etc etc etc" result.

Article in NewScientist = Taking XTC makes it harder for you to learn (according to a study in rats).

treelo · 15 Sep 2003, 12:39

XTC can f*ck with your body. I've seen it happen. Every pill is different as they are all cut with various other drugs. Certain combinations will obviously get you more f*cked than others (MDMA + LSD) and others will make you feel like sh*t. Try asking a drug dealer exactly what is in his pills and try and get a straight answer.

The same can be said of weed and hash. But to a lesser extent, I know dealers who will cut their drugs with anything they have at hand to make a quick profit.

Legalisation will put a stop to this. Don't legalise heroin. People who are stupid enough to take heroin deserve every second of it. Although i still think it would be

Nodrog · 15 Sep 2003, 12:41

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Originally posted by Dace
Nah, that relates to something else.

Bad Research which needed an apology IN ANOTHER MAGAZINE and was mentioned in NewScientist = Mislabelled bottle gives 'XTC causes psychosis etc etc etc" result.

Article in NewScientist = Taking XTC makes it harder for you to learn (according to a study in rats).

Link 2 article plz

Marilyn Manson · 15 Sep 2003, 12:48

It doesn't help that the vast majority of ecstasy on the market is likely impure shiet, either.

treelo · 15 Sep 2003, 12:48

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(according to a study in rats).

I think the fact that they are rats is what is making it harder for them to learn.

as for XTC causing psychosis.... read any half "decent" anti-drugs leaflet and they will clearly tell you that all drugs WILL lead to psychosis.

What they don't tell you is that you need to be a f*cking nutcase to begin with.

the_dastardley_chihuahua · 15 Sep 2003, 13:44

i have read 3 books by irvine welsh, so i think im now considered 'expert' in the area of drugs and so should at least make one comment in this thread.

Mong · 15 Sep 2003, 15:53

I use a variety of drugs from time to time. Hasn't done me any harm!!