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Unread 16 Jun 2006, 12:46   #51
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Re: [football] Eng V T&T

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Does Lokken get some sort of minus 10000 rep points for mentioning Owen Hargreaves and competent in the same sentance?

MrL was spot on, Beckham was dire, his one job is to delivery good balls into the box. He failed 99% of the time, and there isnt a hope in hell a decent team is going to give him enough chances to get it right in the knockout stage!

Bye bye Beckham, ola Lennon!
Who crossed for Crouch's goal?

In fact who crossed for all the other chances the strikers missed?
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Re: [football] Eng V T&T

maybe they just hold back a little for now. In that group it certainly wasnt necessary to give 100% and your press before it even started once again sounded like you already won the WC. Now that everyone thinks they suck they can only be better than expected
Backham really was kind of a disappointment though
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Who crossed for Crouch's goal?

In fact who crossed for all the other chances the strikers missed?
its a numbers game with Beckham, if you give enough opportunities to cross to any player they will eventually get one right.
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Re: [football] Eng V T&T

Ooh Crouch is a fouler
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Re: [football] Eng V T&T

I can't believe people would actually consider dropping Beckham.

I don't think he should be captain, but i'm fairly sure Beckham would get into any side in the world and the managers of those sides would take him on without hesitation.

He can do something noone else can.

So he can't beat people with pace and skill?

Aaron Lennon can't cross or hit free kicks for shite compared to Beckham.

Someone said he's just a commercial boon for clubs - dya think he'd be so popular if he wasn't that good? If he was playing shite for Real Madrid (which he wasn't) or England (which he isn't) then maybe i could understand.

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Does Lokken get some sort of minus 10000 rep points for mentioning Owen Hargreaves and competent in the same sentance?
He's good in central midfield for Bayern Munich playing in the holding role from start to finish. Not a half as right back followed by a role in central midfield when he comes on but from the beginning of a game, to the end. The fact is he can never prove his worth because he doesn't play for Real or in the Premiership but how anyone can expect a defensive midfielder to make an 'impact' coming off the bench is beyond me. It's like expecting Makelele (who is a superior player, don't get me wrong) to come off the bench to change a game, it just won't happen. Hargreaves is in the squad because he can play pretty much anywhere except up front.

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MrL was spot on, Beckham was dire, his one job is to delivery good balls into the box. He failed 99% of the time, and there isnt a hope in hell a decent team is going to give him enough chances to get it right in the knockout stage!

Bye bye Beckham, ola Lennon!
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Lennon is a good player but the fact is we have Dave. I just wish he was left footed so we could get rid of Joe Cole who despite looking great is actually the greediest most wasteful player of them all in the England squad.

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Well then it's up to the player and not dave, who credit to him has proved me wrong by stopping being a fancy dan and doing what he does best - cross the ball on several occasions putting defenders under pressure and creating chances - Lampard and Crouch (who chances aside was impressive) were absolutely wasteful yesterday.

The fact is this is the knuckledraggers stage of the competition and like Brazil we're doing it the ugly way. The only criticism you can really level at England is that we never go for a second when we score early and defend too deep when keeping possession up the pitch with 2 or 3 men back is the order of the day. We don't have to dismantle teams because quite frankly Sweden aside they offer **** all up front and when we come up against teams who will have a go at us, then we can truly be in a position to judge how good England are. No one knows yet.
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Re: [football] Eng V T&T

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yes, I think I should bet on them to win this whole thing, but did anyone understand why that serbian guy got send off? sure it was a foul, but it wasnt that serious.
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i can't wait for Argentina to demolish the dutch and then we can all laugh at KoeN.

Although *fingers crossed for Ivory Coast*
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yes, I think I should bet on them to win this whole thing, but did anyone understand why that serbian guy got send off? sure it was a foul, but it wasnt that serious.
two footed lunge. it was probably a 2nd yellow rather than a red but 6 and half a dozen really.

I can only think the ref thought there was intent to injure from kezman - which considering what a dirty **** he was being i wouldnt be suprised
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yes, I think I should bet on them to win this whole thing, but did anyone understand why that serbian guy got send off? sure it was a foul, but it wasnt that serious.


Kezman was already on a yellow.

Kezman continued to persistantly foul.

I predicted he'd be sent off and i was proven to be correct.
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two footed lunge. it was probably a 2nd yellow rather than a red but 6 and half a dozen really.

I can only think the ref thought there was intent to injure from kezman - which considering what a dirty **** he was being i wouldnt be suprised
no, that was red, not a 2nd yellow, which seems somewhat over the top to me, but on the other hand, serbia didn't look much better with 11 players.
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i wasnt arguing that it WAS a 2nd yellow i was arguing it "merited" a second yellow
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Re: [football] Eng V T&T

Im not ignoring beckham's contribution, simply taking it in context, id argue his crosses only became dangerous when lennon came on and brought some movement into the side, england were too flat footed beforehand, his crosses and free kicks do result in goals but then again he takes all the free kicks, i accept peter crouch scored but i also accept hes lanky and uncoordinated.

This isn't about mindlessly kicking beckham, id accept a 3-5-2 formation with lennon providing real width and taking on defenders, distracting them and encouraging movement, whilst beckham put his crosses in but as it is he doesn't want to go down the flanks and his crosses go to waste.

He doesn't seem to want to play as RM, if you don't want RM in the team use gerrard and lampard to charge down with someone behind them and rooney/cole/owen upfront.
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Re: [football] Eng V T&T

can lennon play on the left? joe cole is awful and increasingly so; downing is an option but if lennon can switch flanks, that's a BETTER one.
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Re: [football] Eng V T&T

Cole is ok on the left.

It's just that England aren't setting the world alight in this World Cup.... like Argentina.
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can lennon play on the left? joe cole is awful and increasingly so; downing is an option but if lennon can switch flanks, that's a BETTER one.
He played on the left a few times for Leeds and did okay; does much better on the right.
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Beckham was excellent for the other games. Dropping someone for one mediocre performance when they're this experienced at this level is pure foolishness.
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can lennon play on the left? joe cole is awful and increasingly so; downing is an option but if lennon can switch flanks, that's a BETTER one.

Completely disagree with you. Joe Cole was arguably the best player on the field in the Paraguay game. Maybe him or the giraffe anyway. His constant need to step over does annoy me somewhat as he's not especially good at it but he is a very good left winger. He'l score at least once in this world cup im sure. He scored over 10 goals last season playing about 2/3 of the games at the most.

And as far as i can see Aaron Lennon is completely right footed so no i dont think he should be put on the left wing. (yes i know joe cole is too but he at least has a left boot).

On Stewart Downing i think he's been a sack of piss, and the fact that my best mates fit sister fancies him which means i have more reason to dislike the bloke! :xmas:
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On Stewart Downing i think he's been a sack of piss, and the fact that my best mates fit sister fancies him which means i have more reason to dislike the bloke! :xmas:
Any particular reason why you think he's a "sack of piss"? He's done his job pretty well in my eyes, some decent runs made in the limited time available. He's balanced the left hand side quite well - which happens to be the main problem with Cole.
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Re: [football] Eng V T&T

We dont neccesarily need that width down that flank. Last game when Lennon and Becks were on together they were both hugging the touchline towards the end. Example was Lennon passing back to Beckham who crossed for Crouch's header. Obviously it worked in this situation but in the long term i dont think it would.

I like to see a difference in the wingers. Beckham plays wide and crosses from deep around the penalty spot. Joe Cole beats players and then will have a go himself or cross from a more by-line area. If Lennon plays RW then maybe it is time for Downing to step up and play. But his crossing ability is completely insubstantial in comparison to becks'. And any talk of David Beckham being dropped is crazy. I read a statistic somewhere that like 40% of WC goals come from set pieces. Now we have one of (if not the) best set piece taker in the world at the moment and theres talk of dropping him. Crazy talk
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Completely disagree with you. Joe Cole was arguably the best player on the field in the Paraguay game. Maybe him or the giraffe anyway. His constant need to step over does annoy me somewhat as he's not especially good at it but he is a very good left winger. He'l score at least once in this world cup im sure. He scored over 10 goals last season playing about 2/3 of the games at the most.
Ahahahahaha - next to "wasted pass" and "run into a dead end" and "choosing the wrong option" there's a picture of Joe Cole. He looks great, but he's totally ineffective.

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And as far as i can see Aaron Lennon is completely right footed so no i dont think he should be put on the left wing. (yes i know joe cole is too but he at least has a left boot).
I just wish he was left footed.

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Yeah I thought he's looked nicely out of his depth in both games. As for for the fit sister, inform her what they chuck into the air on teeside and she'll go right off him
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actually no lennon isn't a complete right-footer, his left-foot is pretty reasonable all things considered. not enough for a left-winger though; yet.
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Another point is that i thought england were horribly lopsided yesterday. Joe cole didnt have a great game, but a lot of this was because ashley cole did **** all to support him.
Ashley Cole was more a left winger than Joe Cole was and ever will be.
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I'm just pissed off that Gerard is being stifled by Lampard, but I can't really see any way of de-stickyfying the morass that is the England midfield.
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The only way i could see of doing it is employing a 3-5-2 (as someone else said above) but that's never gonna happen because Sven is not one to take risks.
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That doesn't really help much, as I see it. What do you do with the Coles? Is Carrick good enough at this level, especially if he's covering for the whole midfield on his own? I'm not convinced.
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gerrard will be rested, hargreaves will be brought in
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