PAN and its building BLOCKS

[Wishmaster]

Originally Posted by Forest

This round your alliance has been stating on these boards that in this round it has been very hard and the standard of the enemy has been excellent. The same was said aftre R13 when you won.

No problem with that, you beat a high standard of aliances.

Now, do you think that in R11/12/14 these same alliances just didnt bother trying? Or maybe they just magically found 80 active decent players and got rid of the rubbish players you describe.

Buy yourself a clue.

r14 = summer round. So not too many played at full strength. Making it an easier win for 1up eager to win again after being knocked down in r13.

r11 and 12, not the same alliances that played in r13 / 15. correct?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

r14 = summer round. So not too many played at full strength. Making it an easier win for 1up eager to win again after being knocked down in r13.

r11 and 12, not the same alliances that played in r13 / 15. correct?

If it was a summer round, and not many people played at full strength, there would be no need for exi to sit it out, surely?

And whether it was the saem alliances in R11/12 we don't even need to discuss. Its the same players/leaders as a rule. Unless you mean the old players quit, and replaced by newbies for R13?

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by Forest

So simply put....

You admit a block \o/

Do I win?

Who has ever not admitted that atm we have allies (more than 1 so can be considered a block)
What a disagree with is Mazz trying to make out like this block has been in effect most of the round. We got help cause at the time we had no choice due to multiple allies hitting us.

[Forest]

And that is EXACTLY the blocking mentality that a lot of people have put in work to avoid.

Its the whole win at all costs thing again. 'We cant win this through skill, so lets block so we win through numbers'.

And imo that is why exi are bad for pa (which is a shame cause the game is crying out for active players/alliances).

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by Forest

And that is EXACTLY the blocking mentality that a lot of people have put in work to avoid.

Its the whole win at all costs thing again. 'We cant win this through skill, so lets block so we win through numbers'.

And imo that is why exi are bad for pa (which is a shame cause the game is crying out for active players/alliances).

WTF we were losing because of numbers against us not skill.... go figure
Just cause u werent officially allied and technically not a block, it had the same effect.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

Who has ever not admitted that atm we have allies (more than 1 so can be considered a block)
What a disagree with is Mazz trying to make out like this block has been in effect most of the round. We got help cause at the time we had no choice due to multiple allies hitting us.

When 1up had multiple incoming, did they form a block?
When angels had 200-400 calls a night, did they form a block?

the point is, Exi chose to get allies/support alliances. 1up nor Angels have at any given moment formed a block or (in Angels case) even considered forming a block.

Ohh and, Subh HC admitted they made a deal with Exi pre-round. So Mazz is infact correct when he claims that the block was in effect most of the round.

[Forest]

You werent losing because of numbers. You had the same incoming (if not less, due to naps), than anyone else.
And if you are military superior to 1up, you would of had even less due to you sending more fleets at 1up than they sent back.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

I mainly meant round 14.

r11,12 I didnt play, but I ve been told that the avg skill in most top alliances were -shit-
I am yet to be told that the quality of the other alliances in r11,12 could even be compared to 1up.

You heard it so it must be true.

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

Also 1uo recruited the top players. afaik. correct me if I am mistaken.

You are mistaken, 1up took back a lot of people from older PA days rather than taking from current alliances. Yes some came, but not many when you consider the number of returnee's we had (Hicks, Dreadnought etc)

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

I d like to point out that in no way to I post for eXi. And to say that arrogance in eXi is higher than in 1up is just -wrong- V wrong.

Show me 1up arrogance of the level of Max, skyhead and yourself.

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

eXi beat 1up in ranks. As in eXi ending ABOVE 1up. In other words - eXi beat 1up-

No, eXi beat 1up in the ranks. Thats it. eXi, VGN, Subh and others later on beat 1up.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

Yet they were still wins, where are r13/15 were losses, so u'd assume there was harder competition in those rounds? (be it from political decisions i.e blocks or not)

There was different competition and politics but yes, evidently 1up didn't finish as high, whats your point? I was arguing the fact that Wish said they were easy and there was no quality in the opposition. Thats just wrong. Just because it was harder on two rounds doesn't mean there wasn't any in the others.

Originally Posted by Chipz^

You paint every eX member with the same brush, i wouldn't describe myself arrogant tyvm.

It's a generalisation, yes. But then I've also said you were one of the better posters for eX.

Originally Posted by Chipz^

1up had already been knocked down to 4th place before this "super block" ever appeared. We were allied to subh (who did't want to hit you) so for the first few weeks u were targeted by us without "organised" help. Ofc more help was sort when yourselves+Angels were starting to wear us down and we were losing ground and we wouldnt have won the round without this other help i admit.

1up were knocked down to 4th when you were working with VGN. You can claim differently so we'll have to agree to differ.

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

When 1up had multiple incoming, did they form a block?
When angels had 200-400 calls a night, did they form a block?

1up lost.
Angels lost.

the point is, Exi chose to get allies/support alliances. 1up nor Angels have at any given moment formed a block or (in Angels case) even considered forming a block.

Btw as heartless as stated earlier in this thread that 1up/angels had an agreement to hit eX (omg temp block???)

Ohh and, Subh HC admitted they made a deal with Exi pre-round. So Mazz is infact correct when he claims that the block was in effect most of the round.

FOR THE LAST TIME NAP WITH THE POWERHOUSE SUBH =/= BLOCK

[MaxMilliaN]

Originally Posted by Forest

And that is EXACTLY the blocking mentality that a lot of people have put in work to avoid.

Its the whole win at all costs thing again. 'We cant win this through skill, so lets block so we win through numbers'.

And imo that is why exi are bad for pa (which is a shame cause the game is crying out for active players/alliances).

you have a brick infront of your head. its not win at all cost, its defend yourself at all cost.

you expect eX doing nothin against all top alliances teaming up on them, you actually blame eX for countering this? i guess we are really sorry not standing still while half the universe want to bash us and not giving it your way. yes i guess eX just dying would be better for you, too bad we dont play for you

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by Forest

You werent losing because of numbers. You had the same incoming (if not less, due to naps), than anyone else.
And if you are military superior to 1up, you would of had even less due to you sending more fleets at 1up than they sent back.

This actaully made me laugh. Concentrated Angels/1up inc on and we got less inc than 1up at the round start?? Who attacked you? Us and randoms in gal raids.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Buddah

1up ignorance/stupidity make me want to vomit.

And well rounded posts like that make me think of you as a well balanced and well informed poster. We're stupid and ignorant because we have difference of opinion of you - way to go Hitler.

[furball]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Ohh and, Subh HC admitted they made a deal with Exi pre-round. So Mazz is infact correct when he claims that the block was in effect most of the round.

No they didn't.

Ali stated on the boards and in pm to me that he made friendly relations with both eXil and 1up before the round start, and that no preparations were made or anything of the sort.


So please stop making crap up.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

you have a brick infront of your head. its not win at all cost, its defend yourself at all cost.

you expect eX doing nothin against all top alliances teaming up on them, you actually blame eX for countering this? i guess we are really sorry not standing still while half the universe want to bash us and not giving it your way. yes i guess eX just dying would be better for you, too bad we dont play for you

All top alliances?

I think you are forgetting that I have full details about naps and so, with other alliances, and I can assure you you did not ahve to fear about being hit by all top alliances.

I won't be saying anymore on this subject, I believe certain people ahve written official statements ready to post, and if they decide not to post them, they know I sure as will when the time is right

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

1up lost.
Angels lost.



Btw as heartless as stated earlier in this thread that 1up/angels had an agreement to hit eX (omg temp block???)



FOR THE LAST TIME NAP WITH THE POWERHOUSE SUBH =/= BLOCK

Without accepting or denying anything, I'd first check Heartless' position in 1up before assuming what he claims about politics is or isn't valid. Tbh, only what their HC posts concerning politics is what I'd consider "true".

Angels have idd made small deals every now and then, none on a permanent base and never with more then 1 alliance. Exi started allied with Subh and pretty soon HR and ROCK joined their block. Sure their strength might be less, nonetheless they have fleets and those are fleets we need to cover aswell, regardless of the fact that the attacker is from a skilled or less skilled alliance.

And you're correct. 1up and Angels lost, Exi won. I can live with that. I know we could've won if we blocked aswell. Been there done that.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by furball

No they didn't.

Ali stated on the boards and in pm to me that he made friendly relations with both eXil and 1up before the round start, and that no preparations were made or anything of the sort.


So please stop making crap up.

SubH approached both 1up and Exi, preticks for naps. They have as much to answer for as exi imo, and I am sure it will be settled in time

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by furball

No they didn't.

Ali stated on the boards and in pm to me that he made friendly relations with both eXil and 1up before the round start, and that no preparations were made or anything of the sort.


So please stop making crap up.

I talked to Ali on IRC aswell, he told me different things so how about YOU stop making up crap unless you know what you're talking about. Also 1up HC said Subh offered to ally them pre-round, they rejected it. Then they went to Exi ...

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by furball

Ali stated on the boards and in pm to me that he made friendly relations with both eXil and 1up before the round start, and that no preparations were made or anything of the sort.


So please stop making crap up.

Ali states lot's of things that aren't neccssarily true or something that he'll admit to later. I wouldn't take it as gospel if were you.

[MaxMilliaN]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

When 1up had multiple incoming, did they form a block?
When angels had 200-400 calls a night, did they form a block?

the point is, Exi chose to get allies/support alliances. 1up nor Angels have at any given moment formed a block or (in Angels case) even considered forming a block.

Ohh and, Subh HC admitted they made a deal with Exi pre-round. So Mazz is infact correct when he claims that the block was in effect most of the round.

1up/Angels coordinated with each other this round, and you call eX nap with other alliance block. dumb hypocrite. as i said earlier, the only way you would be happy if eX would just sit and die while all top alliances gang on them, they didnt. you lost, eod.

it still amuses me: all top alliances vs eX and "flak" and you still lose sorry but you have only yourselt to blame not us

[furball]

Someone get Ali on here

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

1up/Angels coordinated with each other this round, and you call eX nap with other alliance block. dumb hypocrite. as i said earlier, the only way you would be happy if eX would just sit and die while all top alliances gang on them, they didnt. you lost, eod.

it still amuses me: all top alliances vs eX and "flak" and you still lose sorry but you have only yourselt to blame not us

It's also worth mentioning a new rule was created mid round to deal with eX "working by themselves". But I guess that didn't make much difference at the most important point of the round for building a solid base

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Without accepting or denying anything, I'd first check Heartless' position in 1up before assuming what he claims about politics is or isn't valid. Tbh, only what their HC posts concerning politics is what I'd consider "true".

With the same argument id check you position within eX before commenting on agreements??

Angels have idd made small deals every now and then, none on a permanent base and never with more then 1 alliance. Exi started allied with Subh and pretty soon HR and ROCK joined their block. Sure their strength might be less, nonetheless they have fleets and those are fleets we need to cover aswell, regardless of the fact that the attacker is from a skilled or less skilled alliance.

Again subh HC (as u seem to say u believe what HCs have said) said that there was NO alliance between us. There was NO NAP at the tick start. We were on friendly terms. So plz stop posting bollox :|

And you're correct. 1up and Angels lost, Exi won. I can live with that. I know we could've won if we blocked aswell. Been there done that.

Could you have won? Really? Could the allainces left put grudges asside to block against eX? Then whoch one of your block would win? Would 1up have joined you to hand you the round?

At the end of the day this is a WAR game. You play to win. As we moved thro the round we gathered some small alliances to help. At tickstart we had NO NAPs (tho one with subh followed very quickly), there was NO block (untill much later in the round)

p.s KJ your last few posts have dissapointed me

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

It's also worth mentioning a new rule was created mid round to deal with eX "working by themselves". But I guess that didn't make much difference at the most important point of the round for building a solid base

oooooo low blow. Hear it comes again our 23220934294 support planets. The support planets were our SCANNERS who only built anti fr and cause they were scanners were out of tag. There were rumours of planets without scans researched and all i can say is i find that dodgey and was rightfully reported to MH.

[MaxMilliaN]

this is some funny shit,, both 1up and Angels who targeted eX the whole round and coordinating together are accusing eX for blocking against them because eX nap'd 1 alliance against 1up/Angels block

[Fyodor]

I dont see what all the fuss is about.
If i got all my info correct (which i usually am off in some way) the big action of the round was:

Exi hit 1up
Angels hit Exi
ND piggybacked exis attack on angels
Angels stopped hitting Exi
Exi hit ND
ND Angels 1up hit exi
Exi Subh VGN hit them back
Exi won the round

Alls fair in love and war. Exi didnt make any statements saying they were not going to block. If I remember correctly 1up came into existence saying they arent going to block that round which they kept to their word. Then the next round they blocked and when people said wtf, they replied "we didnt say we werent going to block this round"

Give Exi their due, they played the round pefectly both politically and militarily. Just like 1up did in round 11 and 12.

[ChipZ^]

ND hit us first :P

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

oooooo low blow. Hear it comes again our 23220934294 support planets. The support planets were our SCANNERS who only built anti fr and cause they were scanners were out of tag. There were rumours of planets without scans researched and all i can say is i find that dodgey and was rightfully reported to MH.

Low, yes. Nontheless, correct.

I never said how many because I don't actually know. I reported 3/4 myself is all I can say. However, one can only assume that the number must be significant for PATeam to create a rule about it.

[Buddah]

its more like

eX hit 1up
1up Angels hit eX
eX hit 1up
1up hit eX
Angels stopped hitting eX
Angels hit ND
ND hit Angels
eX hit Angels
ND hit eX
eX hit ND
1up Angels ND hit eX
VGN Subh eX hit ND
eX won

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

Low, yes. Nontheless, correct.

I never said how many because I don't actually know. I reported 3/4 myself is all I can say. However, one can only assume that the number must be significant for PATeam to create a rule about it.

The rule was formed not because of the number of "support planets" but because the amount of whine on the forums.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

The rule was formed not because of the number of "support planets" but because the amount of whine on the forums.

No doubt due to the habit of PA Team always bowing down to the wants of the playerbase

[Rinoa]

Just to clarify i was talking about PAN in my original post and not the freebie round in between ticks. I think everyone knows the free round will be mass multi signups and a lot of cheating, somewhat like what round 9.5 was - and noone took that uber seriously anyway.

[Ali]

For furball, mazz and Kj you can see my post in the other thread that i wanted to have friendly relations with both. I stated that I would like to avoid them and said we could make it official as a NAP if they wanted to.

But nothing was accepted pre-round by any side, and it wasn't meant to create blocks rather it was never mentioned to be permanent as Subh wasn't deciding any politics pre round but trying to keep ourselves flexible enough to take the path that would benefit us the most.

I barely ever talk on IRC to you Kj so when did I supposidely "confirm" that we had a pre-round NAP to anyone. With 1up pre-round I offered a NAP but agreed to avoid, that's Subh's choice to not make 1up an enemy ... And for the whole round we never targeted 1up hardcore.

[Fyodor]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

I talked to Ali on IRC aswell, he told me different things so how about YOU stop making up crap unless you know what you're talking about. Also 1up HC said Subh offered to ally them pre-round, they rejected it. Then they went to Exi ...

Originally Posted by Ali

I barely ever talk on IRC to you Kj so when did I supposidely "confirm" that we had a pre-round NAP to anyone. With 1up pre-round I offered a NAP but agreed to avoid, that's Subh's choice to not make 1up an enemy ... And for the whole round we never targeted 1up hardcore.

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

You never caught me lying and you never will, you just prefered to believe a liar instead of me ... that's your choice. Either way I don't wanna argue about this issue again.

Sorry, couldnt help it :P

[Wishmaster]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

Show me 1up arrogance of the level of Max, skyhead and yourself.

Show me where I have been arrogant while in eX. All know 1up got alot of big egos which r arrogant, I cba to look up specific posts.

Also, read my posts if u want to reply to them. I said:

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

I m not saying that I am, but I think, however, that idd eXi can say so since they didnt play the rounds 1up won, while they beat 1up in both rounds they played.

I c both sides here, and I know it is hard to keep ace activity many rounds in a row, but playing a round without main competition playing is also an easy win.

in other words, I am saying that I c both points, and I am saying that I dont necessarily think its correct to say eXi r better.

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

No, eXi beat 1up in the ranks. Thats it. eXi, VGN, Subh and others later on beat 1up.

eXi beat them in the rankings - which is ALL that matters. This is a browser game where the winner is the one with most score at end of round, THATS IT.

In other words. exi beat 1up this round.

If u think 1up played better, thats another case, but the numbers dont lie. The winner this round according to the game mechanics = eXi.

I know this would have been impossible without help from other alliances, but thats another thing

[Paisley]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

When 1up had multiple incoming, did they form a block?
When angels had 200-400 calls a night, did they form a block?

the point is, Exi chose to get allies/support alliances. 1up nor Angels have at any given moment formed a block or (in Angels case) even considered forming a block.

Ohh and, Subh HC admitted they made a deal with Exi pre-round. So Mazz is infact correct when he claims that the block was in effect most of the round.

Subh had no pre-round NAPs with any ally. We made enquires but nothing finalised. Assessing your options in so many words. I seem to keep on typing the fact is... Subh chose a NAP because of

1. one less inc to worry about
2. In the event of a bigger ally wanting to bash us we can hit them back in a joint venture, when 1v1 war would have been costly/defeating.
3. joint intel exchange.

We didnt do it to be exils flak... for example 1up, we didnt hit them on a campaign basis (We didnt have the members motivation to hit them as some of our members do have 1up ties) when exil would have liked us to have targeted them, just as exil didn't target tgv on a campaign basis...We did It becauseIt allowed subh to finish its first round without having to do a "we got wtfpwned and now our man utd fans/gloryhunters members have fked off, leaving only a small core that anyone could finish us off." post on AD.

[lokken]

Blocking is a legitimate strategy. Just because you didn't do it, doesn't make you any better for being "honourable", it just makes you chumps to be exploited.

Ta.

[Veedeejem!]

1up, nd & angels all 3 hit exil, that's 3 of the t5 allies, and you still couldn't beat them & their (in your eyes) n00bflak?
Seriously, if 3 of the t5 allies all 3 attack the same ally & they still manage to win the round then they deserve respect imo. If you really didn't want them to win then maybe you should worked together or came up with a more effective strategy instead of bitching & moaning about it when it's allready too late.

eX played it smarter by napping/blocking with several smaller allies that they could trust. Whille you "big boys" were to devided internally to stop ex & their allies.

You can discuss their nap (or as you like to call it block) with subh as much as you want, still isn't going to change the fact that they won & you lost...

[Paisley]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

You can discuss their nap (or as you like to call it block) with subh as much as you want, still isn't going to change the fact that they won & you lost...

Exil won the round... all subh did was exceed their aim to finish top 10 and have some fun a pretty mutual endevour.

[bwtmc]

Forest pretty much everything you've posted in this thread is completely wrong,

I wish you could see that.

[Heartless]

After some pondering all of last night I think I came up with the ideal solution to this, which sadly cannot be introduced before PAN:

Let's tell PA Team to create an e-vote system and name it PAN. One voting season will be open 2 months, after that final winner (= alliance with most votes) is decided and we can have havoc (everyone can vote as much as he wants to). It's literally the same number game as block wars.

[The_Fish]

Originally Posted by Heartless

After some pondering all of last night I think I came up with the ideal solution to this, which sadly cannot be introduced before PAN:

Let's tell PA Team to create an e-vote system and name it PAN. One voting season will be open 2 months, after that final winner (= alliance with most votes) is decided and we can have havoc (everyone can vote as much as he wants to). It's literally the same number game as block wars.

It's literally the same number game is it?

[Heartless]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

It's literally the same number game is it?

Indeed, edited for stressing the important fact in the post.

[Carlyy]

Not played PA for years, but have followed this round and the alliance politics (at least what is evident in this forum) very closely, as its been very interesting and entertaining to follow. Just one comment to add. For gods sake, Exi won, thats it, plain and simple. Why can't 1up and Angels be gracious in defeat instead of trying to think up evermore esoteric and exotic excuses why they lost. You lost guys - Exil beat you, accept it, get over it.

Hope next round's politics is just as exciting, looking forward to following it, makes for good reading in my lunch breaks.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Carlyy

Not played PA for years, but have followed this round and the alliance politics (at least what is evident in this forum) very closely, as its been very interesting and entertaining to follow. Just one comment to add. For gods sake, Exi won, thats it, plain and simple. Why can't 1up and Angels be gracious in defeat instead of trying to think up evermore esoteric and exotic excuses why they lost. You lost guys - Exil beat you, accept it, get over it.

Hope next round's politics is just as exciting, looking forward to following it, makes for good reading in my lunch breaks.

WHY THE HELL .. do pple keep saying we whine about losing this round ???

I've congratulated Kaifux and other Exi command in pm yesterday. I have absolutely NO problem with accepting that they are the best alliance this round and won this round.

We've put up a good fight, that's what we all want and the winner is the strongest alliance (both politically as military), again that's what we all want not?

Did you see alch or any other Angel whine about Exilition winning? Did you see any other Angel post Exilition does not deserve their victory?

I don't wanna read this crap anymore that I or Angels are whining or bitching about not winning or about the fact that Exilition won because it is simply not true, a lie ...

Nway, hope to see Exi around in the next round.

[MaxMilliaN]

i dont think you are whining about losing this round but you try to make it look like there was this gigantic block against Angels/1up while you both cooperated several times against eX.

fight fire with fire and you lost , no need to play the innocent victim.

[Chika]

Honestly, after the way exilition played this round, nothing would change if they played 2 rounds in a row or not. What would need to change for it to make any difference, is for 1up/angels/ND
to lose the ego, and see that they need each others help. Sadly, exil will win every round, if these 3 allainces keep saying "fluid politics", as its quite clear that 4 on 1(exil plus mini alliances) beat them everytime. Keeping thier same memberbase, exil could potentially win every round until they don't care to win anymore. I used to think this about 1up, but then exil came, so I do have doubts about my statement, but thats just how it looks atm.

[furball]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

I don't wanna read this crap anymore that I or Angels are whining or bitching about not winning or about the fact that Exilition won because it is simply not true, a lie ...

Sadly we are seeing a lot of comments from 1up/ND about the victory. I think we're now all fairly clear about everything that happened, and in the end we will have to agree to differ.

[qebab]

Originally Posted by furball

Sadly we are seeing a lot of comments from 1up/ND about the victory. I think we're now all fairly clear about everything that happened, and in the end we will have to agree to differ.

However, I see the likes of MaxMillliaN writing (I was wondering if he wrote them with his nose on the keyboard - they are certainly as entertaining to read, as they were to write, in that case) a lot of poor posts regarding "the whining of 1up/Angels". However I have seen very little whining from the Angels camp. eXilition won within the boundaries of the rules - congratulations, noone else worked as hard for this, as you did. I imagine you deserve it.

PS! What I mean about "entertaining to read", are these posts:

Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

this is some funny shit,, both 1up and Angels who targeted eX the whole round and coordinating together are accusing eX for blocking against them because eX nap'd 1 alliance against 1up/Angels block

[The_Fish]

Originally Posted by furball

Sadly we are seeing a lot of comments from 1up/ND about the victory.

All the posts from ND are admitting that the best alliance won, did not cheat, and did not use lame tactics.