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Dace · 16 Dec 2003, 19:42

"Can black people be Jews?"

I mean does the Jewish tennents or whatever allow it?

I only ask because i cant think of any black Jews.

So are there any*?

*famous black Jews

Deepflow · 16 Dec 2003, 19:44

haha... being a black jew would be so shit! lol

Weeks · 16 Dec 2003, 19:57

you can have white muslims (i know one).
you can have gay catholics.
being a jew, christian or a muslim is dependant on choice alone, not if someone say's it's ok or not.
did you really think otherwise?

[edit] and just doing a google for 'black jews' gives you plenty of results?

you

me.

MrL_JaKiri · 16 Dec 2003, 19:59

Not for Orthodox Jews dude.

Dead_Meat · 16 Dec 2003, 19:59

Wasn't Sammy Davis Jr jewish?

Dace · 16 Dec 2003, 20:00

Weeks it's a serious question.

Doesn't your mother have to be a Jew if you are to be a Jew?

How many Jews mothers are black?

Also i appreciate that the father could be black but don't Jews want (/strongly peer pressure) Jews to marry/breed within their own Religion type thing?

As such i cant see there being any black fathers to Jews.

Marilyn Manson · 16 Dec 2003, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dace

"Can black people be Jews?"

SILVERSTEIN!

Dead_Meat · 16 Dec 2003, 20:00

OK, so according to my little Yahoo search, he converted later on in life.

But the fact remains.

Black
Jewish

I thank thee.

Intrepid00 · 16 Dec 2003, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead_Meat

Wasn't Sammy Davis Jr jewish?

Yes, he was indeed.

Tactitus · 16 Dec 2003, 20:01

Sammy Davis Jr. was Jewish.

There are also indigenous black jews in Ethiopia, Uganda and other African countries. Google on 'Operation Solomon'.

Intrepid00 · 16 Dec 2003, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead_Meat

OK, so according to my little Yahoo search, he converted later on in life.

But the fact remains.

Black
Jewish

I thank thee.

Being Jewish is a religion, not a race.

Weeks · 16 Dec 2003, 20:02

Your mother does not have to be a certain religion for you to be it.
Even if some jews say you have to, what gives them the right to dictate if someone is a jew or not?
It's a personal choice.

Race is not related to religion. Religion is not hereditary.

NEWSBOT3 · 16 Dec 2003, 20:03

i thought orthodox jews were only jewish by their parentage etc ?

MrL_JaKiri · 16 Dec 2003, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dace

Weeks it's a serious question.

Doesn't your mother have to be a Jew if you are to be a Jew?

That's only Orthodox Jews, whom I've already mentioned.

Dead_Meat · 16 Dec 2003, 20:03

What, so I should say he's a Jewish black and my wife is a Catholic black, not a black Catholic?

WHAT ?

Dace · 16 Dec 2003, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeks

Your mother does not have to be a certain religion for you to be it.
Even if some jews say you have to, what gives them the right to dictate if someone is a jew or not?
It's a personal choice.

Race is not related to religion. Religion is not hereditary.

They get to decide the rules because it's their "gang".

Also on the religion is not race aspect:

Juadism IS a race*.

*see second definition ... Jews share a common language (yiddish), history (to a large extent), and characteristics (HOOK NOSE).

Dace · 16 Dec 2003, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

That's only Orthodox Jews, whom I've already mentioned.

You make it seem like i ignored your post instead of what actually happened.

What really happened being i wrote a long post whilst you posted yours and posted it within a minute of yours.

I PROBABLY STARTED WRITING MY POST BEFORE YOU DID YOURS TOO!

Dace · 16 Dec 2003, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by idimmu

what is wrong with the world

I would say but i'd get my account deleted for racism :((((((

Weeks · 16 Dec 2003, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dace

They get to decide the rules because it's their "gang".

It's God's gang. He hasn't left an offical representative.

Juadism isn't a race because they don't share charactists anymore.
England is a mainly christian place. We all look the sameish. Africa is also mainly christian in places. So we're no longer a race.

Same with jews init, as there are black jews.

Dace · 16 Dec 2003, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeks

It's God's gang. He hasn't left an offical representative.

Catholics think that Gods official representative is the Pope.

Jews might (/probably do) have something similar (Popski?).

Basically it's not Gods gang its a human thing where humans make up the rules.

Marilyn Manson · 16 Dec 2003, 20:35

Orthodox Christian priests wear funny hats.

Weeks · 16 Dec 2003, 20:36

It's all based on the fact there's a god though you tart.
If it's not god's gang, when god comes down again is the pope going to give him some shit then?

The pope is supposed to be the represenative, but god didn't put him in charge so he's not offical. And can't dictate whose catholic or not. Same with jews init.

Dace · 16 Dec 2003, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeks

The pope is supposed to be the represenative, but god didn't put him in charge so he's not offical. And can't dictate whose catholic or not.

You are so wrong it hurts.

Weeks · 16 Dec 2003, 20:37

you're quite funny though. at not with.

Marilyn Manson · 16 Dec 2003, 20:41

This is now an official 'Dace is a racist, sexist, homophobic paedophile who goes to the wrong ****ing church' thread.

Dace · 16 Dec 2003, 20:45

I was brought up as a Catholic.

With the largest membership of any religion in the world (i think) im in the right church.

!!!MY GANG IS BIGGER THAN YOURS*!!!

*unless your a catholic too

Dace · 16 Dec 2003, 20:47

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I'm supposed to dispute the other nasty things you said about me too aint i MM (otherwise youll think that because i dont argue i think they're true).

I'm Not Grimble · 16 Dec 2003, 21:29

are there any ginger jews?

acropolis · 16 Dec 2003, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dace

They get to decide the rules because it's their "gang".

Also on the religion is not race aspect:

Juadism IS a race*.

Surprisingly perceptive post.

I wouldn't consider being Jewish a racial or a religious thang. It's sort of a weird amalgamation of religion, race, and culture, but mostly it's just it's own thing.

PS: I think my Aunt married a Jew, and she converted to Judaism. Then she divorced him. And converted back. Now she's really rich. And I don't think her kids are Jewish. The end.

KoeN · 16 Dec 2003, 22:54

tonight me and hans visited FC Twente - Young Ajax (we won 1-0), and the referee and teams left the pitch for 20 minutes cuz FCT fans sang insulting songs to Ajax (Ajax fans call themselves 'jews' . don't ask me why).

"Hamas, Hamas, all jews should be gassed"
bit of a pansy, that referee :P

Phang · 16 Dec 2003, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoeN

tonight me and hans visited FC Twente - Young Ajax (we won 1-0), and the referee and teams left the pitch for 20 minutes cuz FCT fans sang insulting songs to Ajax (Ajax fans call themselves 'jews' . don't ask me why).

"Hamas, Hamas, all jews should be gassed"
bit of a pansy, that referee :P

KoeN: ****++

Intrepid00 · 16 Dec 2003, 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dace

I was brought up as a Catholic.

With the largest membership of any religion in the world (i think) im in the right church.

!!!MY GANG IS BIGGER THAN YOURS*!!!

*unless your a catholic too

I think its Chrisitians lumped in win. Though, if your going to break them up you need to break up Islam as well and for Hindu? I don't know but it wouldn't surpise me.

Phang · 16 Dec 2003, 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

This is now an official 'Dace is a racist, sexist, homophobic paedophile who goes to the wrong ****ing church' thread.

Hay Dace, you know how gays are bad because they're against the Bible

Nusselt · 16 Dec 2003, 23:51

hey i thought i was 1/16th jewish but one of my grandparents was jewish so im 1/8th,

but im not really jewish since i have a foreskin,

do you have a foreskin dace?

ps what is a ned? ive heard the term from you scottish people but dont know what it means

Insane. Badger · 16 Dec 2003, 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nusselt

hey i thought i was 1/16th jewish but one of my grandparents was jewish so im 1/8th,

but im not really jewish since i have a foreskin,

do you have a foreskin dace?

ps what is a ned? ive heard the term from you scottish people but dont know what it means

I think its a scottish 'kev'

Cyp · 17 Dec 2003, 12:23

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopædia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

Jew is a term used to denote both followers of a religion and members of an ethnicity (adj. Jewish). In a religious sense, the term refers to followers of Judaism. In an ethnic sense, it refers both to religious Jews and to those who, though they may not practice Judaism as a religion, still identify as Jews in a culture or ethnic sense.

...

Traditional Jewish law defines a Jew as someone who is either:

• the child of a Jewish mother; or
• A person who converts to Judaism in accord with Jewish law.

...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

Snurx · 17 Dec 2003, 14:11

As far as race goes, jews are semites, as are for example palestinians, i think. Im so confused by "race" theories i just let them lie, as in my eyes they are quite pointless.

I know a black jew. I also know a homosexual catholic, and a (almost) ginger white muslim.
I know many people

-=Zyth=- · 17 Dec 2003, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

I'm ethnic Jewish, am white and have blond hair and blue eyes. As I understand it though there should be plenty of Arabic jews so it depends on whether you consider Arabic people to be black. Furthermore there would be no reason why a Jewish woman white or otherwise couldn't have sex with a black man and thus have black children, thus creating an black ethnic jew.

Something to do with the sons of abraham, im sure. And back in the day, most people from that area were black, including jesus...