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Unread 19 Nov 2005, 04:49   #151
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Re: Nd

I'll just wade into the argument with this graph from Sandman's, which shows both Angel's spectacular fall, and ND's very large margin to the next three alliances (which now roughly have equal numbers of roids).

I'm not much of a regular on AD (this is the first little spamming run in the last week or so that i have done), but if Angels got that far ahead and was then brought down by the other alliances, isnt it logical that the same would happen to ND?
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Unread 19 Nov 2005, 05:23   #152
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Re: Nd

I don't think any of the top alliances will concentrate as hard on hitting ND as they did for hitting angels though because they probably deep down don't believe ND can win a round. If ND can hold onto their roids for long enough (so here they should do everything they can to appear as unthreatening as possible) they can build their fleets up to the point where the marginal utility factor of fleet usage (this means that exi or 1up or angels does more per each ship they have every day than ND does) is overridden and ND just power through. Simple :(
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lol, now exi has 2 devil heads with quite possibly a third on the way.
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Unread 19 Nov 2005, 06:42   #154
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where the marginal utility factor of fleet usage
Are you also an economist? I wonder if my lecturer would appreciate references to PA in my micro-economics exam on monday. Who knows - my lecturer is bald, so perhaps he is really Sid and i'd get bonus marks!
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Unread 19 Nov 2005, 09:51   #155
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You're on the track running, and you trip the guy in front of you so the both of you fall to the ground, leaving the guy leading the track to have a much bigger lead.

It's a normal thing in any race.
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I don't think any of the top alliances will concentrate as hard on hitting ND as they did for hitting angels though because they probably deep down don't believe ND can win a round. If ND can hold onto their roids for long enough ...

and ND just power through. Simple
To be honest, I think if ND start to get close to getting that far ahead (far enough that they can't be stopped even), i'm pretty sure angels/exilition/1up/whoever would stop them. They may be gaining quite a roid advantage, but they're not even close to that point yet I don't think.
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Re: Nd

I somehow don't think that roid advantage will last too long.

But I would guess that eXil have had a much quieter night and will start to pull ahead again. I wonder where things go from here?!
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Re: Nd

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I somehow don't think that roid advantage will last too long.

But I would guess that eXil have had a much quieter night and will start to pull ahead again. I wonder where things go from here?!
Yeah i don't see the logic from the enemy to let us grow further ahead..weird
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I somehow don't think that roid advantage will last too long.

But I would guess that eXil have had a much quieter night and will start to pull ahead again. I wonder where things go from here?!
You not incenssantly hitting Angel would probably be a good place to start
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You not incenssantly hitting Angel would probably be a good place to start
Universal right of retal. "They hit us first"

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they cant use that here though, not once did Angels intentionally hit ND, maybe there was a few in the gal but that was about it. ND started coordinating with exi a few nights ago, launched fakes on the same tick as each other, then real attacks. Its rather worrying to see what ND's game plan is, and i've yet to see them come up with an answer for heartless's question. maybe they have just settled for 2nd?
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Re: Nd

ND proved last round that they could handle just about 1 night of incs before they folded. ND know they don’t have what it takes to end #1 and then it does make sense, in a sad little way, to make a pact with the devil in an attempt to end #2
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who says they napped eXil? tbh, I don't think they would have, they were telling Reunion that aiming for #2 isn't good enough last round, and napping eXil would probably mean they end 2nd, so it would be pretty hypocritical of them.
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NewDawn has no nap with eXilition.

NewDawn does not co-operate with eXilition.

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so it would be pretty hypocritical of them.
Has that ever stopped an alliance from doing what it sees as the best course of action in a political situation in any round though?

I wouldnt have thought so.
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who says they napped eXil? tbh, I don't think they would have, they were telling Reunion that aiming for #2 isn't good enough last round, and napping eXil would probably mean they end 2nd, so it would be pretty hypocritical of them.
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Sometimes coordinated attacks speak louder then words on AD

Let me guess; you just want to take Angels out first and then you`ll go for exil right?
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Even so, I doubt they will aim for #2, it will just kinda make the round less interesting with 3 allies giogn for #1 and 1 going for #2.
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Sometimes coordinated attacks speak louder then words on AD

Let me guess; you just want to take Angels out first and then you`ll go for exil right?
That's a bit like saying, I saw an eX member with five waves of incoming two days ago in this order:

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Zero over-lap, all FR.

THEREFORE, they MUST be coordinating attacks. <- Thankfully I'm not that quick to pass judgement.

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Thankfully I'm not that quick to pass judgement.

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With any luck, politics will remain fluid enough to render any such medium(-long)-term logic redundant.
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My prediction for tonight: Angels realise they can't beat eXilition anymore, they will hit ND hard, and eXi will have a nice green day tomorrow, Angels will not have a nice green day, maybe a small green one. ND will probably end up on a red day, but then, we do have more to lose on average per tick than Angels.
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NewDawn has no nap with eXilition.

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The End.
then let me put this across to you, 3 nights in a row ND and Exi have launched fakes at exactly the same tick, never overlapping each other on a single planet, but oh no thats just a coincidence, fair enough. Real attacks are launched 3-4 ticks later once again nd and exil through some miracle of god do not seem to overlap each other, wow what another remarkable coincidence. Whats this Angels planets landing on ND planets? oh noes whats even stranger is that it seems exi are the ones fleetcatching the planets landing on ND planets, remarkable.

So all in all ND are playing for 2nd, i salute you
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My prediction for tonight: Angels realise they can't beat eXilition anymore, they will hit ND hard, and eXi will have a nice green day tomorrow, Angels will not have a nice green day, maybe a small green one. ND will probably end up on a red day, but then, we do have more to lose on average per tick than Angels.
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NewDawn has no nap with eXilition.

NewDawn does not co-operate with eXilition.

The End.
The pedantic reader might read this as "but we do co-ordinate with eXilition" - that was not denied.

Or we could just ask Fish to put up a bet again, haha
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The pedantic reader might read this as "but we do co-ordinate with eXilition" - that was not denied
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RiXX, the pedantic reader might also notice the difference between a cooperation and a coordination.

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v. co·or·di·nat·ed, co·or·di·nat·ing, co·or·di·nates (-t)
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1. To place in the same order, class, or rank.
2. To harmonize in a common action or effort: coordinating the moving parts of a machine; coordinate the colors of a design.
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co·op·er·ate Audio pronunciation of "cooperate" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-p-rt)
intr.v. co·op·er·at·ed, co·op·er·at·ing, co·op·er·ates

1. To work or act together toward a common end or purpose.
2. To acquiesce willingly; be compliant: asked the child to cooperate and go to bed.
3. To form an association for common, usually economic, benefit: When buyers cooperate, they can make large wholesale purchases at a discount.
ND and eXilition might not cooperate on eXilition ending as #1 alliance, but ND and eXilition might coordinate their attacks to increase the damage dealt to others.
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NewDawn does co-operate with eXilition.

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not really no, i didnt like the political situation in r13 and had no say in it whatsoever, i mostly did as i pleased that round aswell
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It means essentially the same thing Heartless. This is a pointless and frustrating line of discussion.
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It means essentially the same thing Heartless. This is a pointless and frustrating line of discussion.
A common action is not the same as a common goal.
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oh really, lots of angel/1up ppl arent happy nd doesnt want to help them in their shit situation.

you already got 2 of top alliances focussing on your enemy, now you want a third?
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oh really, lots of angel/1up ppl arent happy nd doesnt want to help them in their shit situation.

you already got 2 of top alliances focussing on your enemy, now you want a third?

Reading into this statement you are saying that both 1up and angels are hitting exi (im not insinuating they are cooperating) and nd is staying out of it completely?
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oh really, lots of angel/1up ppl arent happy nd doesnt want to help them in their shit situation.

you already got 2 of top alliances focussing on your enemy, now you want a third?
That is not necessarily true. If you would be capable of thinking a bit more in-depth it might as well just have been a slap on ND's wrist to tell them "stay out of our business".
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That is not necessarily true. If you would be capable of thinking a bit more in-depth it might as well just have been a slap on ND's wrist to tell them "stay out of our business".
Well thats interesting, as early in this thread people were moaning that we weren't getting involved.

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My prediction for tonight: Angels realise they can't beat eXilition anymore, they will hit ND hard, and eXi will have a nice green day tomorrow, Angels will not have a nice green day, maybe a small green one. ND will probably end up on a red day, but then, we do have more to lose on average per tick than Angels.
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Well thats interesting, as early in this thread people were moaning that we weren't getting involved.

Can never please people can you?
In your defense I am assuming you don't want to spend more than half a second of thinking on this issue, even though I could imagine you simply are incapable to do so - so let me try to lay this out for you as simple as possible:

eXilition have been pretty dominating throughout the round so far, first they put 1up a bit behind in the roid race, then Angels considered eXilition as the main threat to ending as #1 alliance and decided to pick upon eXilition. 1up, still receiving their fair share of incoming, hit eXilition for their very own purposes - probably to deny any appearance of a huge gap between eXilition and the rest of the universe. eXilition decide to hit back on Angels, as it provides more roids and xp for them and since 1up have been thrown back quite a fair bit in the beginning.
Now suddenly ND step upon the plate and decide to repeatedly hit Angels very hard for unknown reasons. The logical consequence is hitting ND - either they do cooperate with eXilition and thus need to be weakened, or they do not cooperate with eXilition but manage to put the spotlight on themselves by having most roids and opposing one alliance directly that is suffering from small / negative growth-rates due to their war with eXilition.

You got it now?
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not really no, i didnt like the political situation in r13 and had no say in it whatsoever, i mostly did as i pleased that round aswell
how does Fish's current situation differ from your situation in R13? he is a peon this round.

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please explain to me how Alki is not being hypocritical by complaining about ND allegedly settling for the #2 position when Angels did exactly this in R13. The only difference is that in R13 Angels had SiNND, ToF and 1up all backing them if they chose to aim for #1 and go to war with eXi, hence they were more likely to win than ND is if they go 1 v 1 against eXi.
You also do not know that ND are napped with eXi, all of the stuff you read on AD is speculation.
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how does Fish's current situation differ from your situation in R13? he is a peon this round.


please explain to me how Alki is not being hypocritical by complaining about ND allegedly settling for the #2 position when Angels did exactly this in R13. The only difference is that in R13 Angels had SiNND, ToF and 1up all backing them if they chose to aim for #1 and go to war with eXi, hence they were more likely to win than ND is if they go 1 v 1 against eXi.
You also do not know that ND are napped with eXi, all of the stuff you read on AD is speculation.
Its apples and oranges. In r13 Angels were aiming for a top 5. If you look at lokkens log book you will see with 2/3rds of the round done angels sat in the number 7 spot and had not been in the top 5 as of yet. (Episode 8, 9th May, PT 941) Then due to the dynamics of the rest of the universe, Angels got catipulted to the number 2 spot. Angels also had a Nap with exi from tick 100 or so.



It is still rather early in the round but ND look like they have the talent and leadership to be number 1. IThis also takes into account last rounds nice showing. I have to believe that they do not want to settle for number 2 but are debating the best way to get the top prize. Direct confrontation or piggybacking other alliances fights.

btw, it wasnt I who neg repped you, im just responding to your question.
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I'll just wade into the argument with this graph from Sandman's, which shows both Angel's spectacular fall, and ND's very large margin to the next three alliances (which now roughly have equal numbers of roids).

I'm not much of a regular on AD (this is the first little spamming run in the last week or so that i have done), but if Angels got that far ahead and was then brought down by the other alliances, isnt it logical that the same would happen to ND?
I just love ND getting the pretty color <3

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if there really is an Angel out there.... for fk's sake save us from Heartless' drivel :s

You're even worse than me Heartless...
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if there really is an Angel out there.... for fk's sake save us from Heartless' drivel :s

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who can save us from yours?
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if there really is an Angel out there.... for fk's sake save us from Heartless' drivel :s

You're even worse than me Heartless...
I'm afraid you won't be saved - you slaughtered all those Angels the past nights.
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I just love ND getting the pretty color <3
Indeed, i think the purple colour is great - completely underestimated too .

I quite like Purple
There's nothing wrong with Purple!

Besides, i'll take this moment to point out that my prediction was more or less correct, which is a first for Soveh on AD \o/
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Isn't it terrible when an alliance grows a set of balls?
Balls or stupidity? If you cant cope with one enemy why get others?
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eX are a strong alliance, and angels focused on them. And then come ND and god only knows why, they think it's a good idea to hit Angels full force while they are at war with the number one alliance at the point the war started. Maybe they thought that Angels would let the hostilities go unnoticed or unpunished. If we had had only random galaxy raids on angels heavy gals, maybe that would have been the case. However, their attacks were totally foccused on angels, and apparently under some cosmic coincidence, all their attacks happened to be perfectly coordinated with eXilitions attacks on Angels. And people are surprised that Angels decide to repay NDs courtesy?
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