round so far in the eye of a member of rock hc

[budious]

Nobody wants to be a pole smoker but you do what it takes these days to get on that allied alliances list. Listen to the free advice here, learn to be a pole smoker. PA pro-tip.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Blue_Esper

they were never anything more, they lack a command team who want to win a round.

That's not strictly true.

They DO want to win, they just don't want to really go for it

[Blue_Esper]

Originally Posted by Forest

That's not strictly true.

They DO want to win, they just don't want to really go for it

echo?

[Clouds]

Firstly I'd like to state that Vikings do not play this game to backstab/cheat/manipulate others to win. R51 was a prime example of why we don't want to compete for the win. We recruited so many rank whores/whiners, it made that round unbearable for everyone else (our core).

We didn't lose interest in that round due to incoming, hell we can withstand incoming no problem, but the core were just sick of the constant emoing/whining and just lost interest.

And lastly, we will not backstab our allies to win. As stated before, we put integrity and loyalty above winning and it's probably the fundamental reason why we won't go for the win again.

I'd also like to say that this round was a relaxing round for us Vikings, as quite a few of the core didn't play due to summer/real life, but suffice to say we will be back on form next round.

[ManiacMagic]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

You have a fake nick.

I am filled with mirth.

You said mirth, this filled me with mirth

[ManiacMagic]

everyone seems to forget that the almighty DE block was the first block formed.

[DrunkenViking]

Originally Posted by ManiacMagic

everyone seems to forget that the almighty DE block was the first block formed.

Not so much a block when formed, it started off as an informal agreement to fight back together if either was targetted intentionally by a bigger tag. Once bigger tags tried to farm us the block formalised and we started working together from there and onwards. Might be that ND was the first alliance that fenced out of the Ult/Spore war and started to hit the smaller tags, can't really remember. Around 80% of xVx raids has been picked by xVx BC's unrelated to the "DE block" in any case. We made a bigger impression than we made an impact, and thats kinda what we wanted.

[Mzyxptlk]

"We will form a block if someone hits us" is like saying "We'll form a block when the sun rises in the east".

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Clouds

Firstly I'd like to state that Vikings do not play this game to backstab/cheat/manipulate others to win. R51 was a prime example of why we don't want to compete for the win. We recruited so many rank whores/whiners, it made that round unbearable for everyone else (our core).

We didn't lose interest in that round due to incoming, hell we can withstand incoming no problem, but the core were just sick of the constant emoing/whining and just lost interest.

And lastly, we will not backstab our allies to win. As stated before, we put integrity and loyalty above winning and it's probably the fundamental reason why we won't go for the win again.

I'd also like to say that this round was a relaxing round for us Vikings, as quite a few of the core didn't play due to summer/real life, but suffice to say we will be back on form next round.

Ah, yes, its the sense for good moral and ethics wich are hindering Vikings to compete.
And its cus they kicked out all the rank whores from last round.
Yeah, thats prolly it.

[AndyMan]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Ah, yes, its the sense for good moral and ethics wich are hindering Vikings to compete.
And its cus they kicked out all the rank whores from last round.
Yeah, thats prolly it.

Well I'm glad we are all in agreement

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

"We will form a block if someone hits us" is like saying "We'll form a block when the sun rises in the east".

Seems to be the 'in' thing atm.

We saw it last round with app/tgv and even fang said it this round.

So lame but heh, you work with what you have I suppose.

[fortran]

When none of them went a full tag, what could they have done? Just wait to be farmed alone by the alliance with 10 naps?

[DrunkenViking]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

"We will form a block if someone hits us" is like saying "We'll form a block when the sun rises in the east".

Well the sun rose and set, and didnt really rise again. So in effect that little interaction had its purpose.

In effect it kept alliances like ND from keep farming the ninth ranked alliance when they were themself in second, untill the last few days anyway. The block was harmless for those not fencing and bashing small tags. It might be boring or lame in Forests book, but thats just cause his approach of trying to bullying people into acting the way he wants was effectively hindered by it.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

It might be boring or lame in Forests book, but thats just cause his approach of trying to bullying people into acting the way he wants was effectively hindered by it.

Really?

That is why there were parts of the round when I insisted ND went alone on ult right?

[DrunkenViking]

Originally Posted by Forest

Really?

That is why there were parts of the round when I insisted ND went alone on ult right?

Get over yourself..

[ManiacMagic]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

Not so much a block when formed, it started off as an informal agreement to fight back together if either was targetted intentionally by a bigger tag. Once bigger tags tried to farm us the block formalised and we started working together from there and onwards. Might be that ND was the first alliance that fenced out of the Ult/Spore war and started to hit the smaller tags, can't really remember. Around 80% of xVx raids has been picked by xVx BC's unrelated to the "DE block" in any case. We made a bigger impression than we made an impact, and thats kinda what we wanted.

The first target spore/ct/nd hit together was ULT but its cute that you think a block formed vs the smaller tags. Ct/Spore were together well prior to ND joining hitting Ult, ND joined when ult sked us.

And according to this (well prior to us working with spore/ct) the block was in fact formed

http://pastebin.com/mWiRnh8G

[ManiacMagic]

Originally Posted by Forest

Really?

That is why there were parts of the round when I insisted ND went alone on ult right?

I dont really remember this but maybe it was the week I was gone :P

[Clouds]

Congrats to ND on winning the last round in PA!

[ManiacMagic]

Originally Posted by Clouds

Congrats to ND on winning the last round in PA!

Lol thats like being congratulated for having the final knife blow to an animal thats been shot ten times :P

jk im sure pa will live on in some sort of way, we are just waiting for AD!

[DrunkenViking]

Originally Posted by ManiacMagic

The first target spore/ct/nd hit together was ULT but its cute that you think a block formed vs the smaller tags. Ct/Spore were together well prior to ND joining hitting Ult, ND joined when ult sked us.

And according to this (well prior to us working with spore/ct) the block was in fact formed

http://pastebin.com/mWiRnh8G

I've never claimed, stated or insinuated that the spore/ct/nd block formed vs any smaller tags at all... I'm perfectly aware that ct/spore worked together vs ult first, wich kinda underline my statement that you opted to fence out of the ult/spore war to fatten up on smaller tags so you could engage ult with valuemomentum lateron. I simply stated that we started sharing targetintel and started attacking together when a bigger alliance targetted one of us intentionally. Mind you we didnt target together on more than 20% of our raids.

Grats on the roundwin, deservedly so!

[ManiacMagic]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

I've never claimed, stated or insinuated that the spore/ct/nd block formed vs any smaller tags at all... I'm perfectly aware that ct/spore worked together vs ult first, wich kinda underline my statement that you opted to fence out of the ult/spore war to fatten up on smaller tags so you could engage ult with valuemomentum lateron. I simply stated that we started sharing targetintel and started attacking together when a bigger alliance targetted one of us intentionally. Mind you we didnt target together on more than 20% of our raids.

Grats on the roundwin, deservedly so!

We didnt exactly want to form super blocks at the time so we continued to gal raid, until the un proportional targeting by Vikings came. We were hitting the top fattest gals every day. Hardly consider that farming of those small tags.

Thanks

[Mzyxptlk]

Reading that log is like watching 2 kids fight.

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by ManiacMagic

We didnt exactly want to form super blocks at the time so we continued to gal raid, until the un proportional targeting by Vikings came. We were hitting the top fattest gals every day. Hardly consider that farming of those small tags.

Thanks

Oh get off your high horse!

You fired the first shot by purposely targetting two Vikings forts, we merely retaliated (with the help from xVx/Faceless). At the time of the incident, we (Vikings) were only a 35-40 man tag.

I believe your reason for 'ptargetting' us was that our hostile count towards ND was quite high.

I'd also like to remind you that even though we were one of your top hostiles, we were galraiding, yet you retaliated with a full ptarget, and considering you ptargetted a 35-40 man tag, we (the agreeing DE alliances) decided to formilise our friendship and retaliate ND.

The initial agreement (as Chimpie previously stated) was an informal NAP and we would make the agreement formal should a bigger tag 'pick' on one of us smaller tags.

So to counter your argument, no, we were not in alliance until you purposely fired the first shot.

[ManiacMagic]

Originally Posted by Clouds

Oh get off your high horse!

You fired the first shot by purposely targetting two Vikings forts, we merely retaliated (with the help from xVx/Faceless). At the time of the incident, we (Vikings) were only a 35-40 man tag.

I believe your reason for 'ptargetting' us was that our hostile count towards ND was quite high.

I'd also like to remind you that even though we were one of your top hostiles, we were galraiding, yet you retaliated with a full ptarget, and considering you ptargetted a 35-40 man tag, we (the agreeing DE alliances) decided to formilise our friendship and retaliate ND.

The initial agreement (as Chimpie previously stated) was an informal NAP and we would make the agreement formal should a bigger tag 'pick' on one of us smaller tags.

So to counter your argument, no, we were not in alliance until you purposely fired the first shot.

and as the log from that night shows we were told a block was forming VS us ... sure enough three or four alliances all hit us ... ok maybe a coincidence so we gave it two or three nights. Same thing ... you can claim to the otherwise but two or three nights in a row sure seems like the block that you formed was coordinating.

I dont feel bad for hitting a 40 man alliance who had more hostiles to us than the 60 man alliance because its obviously got a taste for something. If a fly keeps bugging you eventually you have to swat it. You thought you could get away with something at the time and you couldnt. Thats how it seemed to us at least. But who knows maybe the block that formed was just all separately hitting different nd forts at the same time for three nights in a row (and then when the spat was over stopped all together too) by coincidence ... either way our actions solved the problem.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by ManiacMagic

and as the log from that night shows we were told a block was forming VS us ... sure enough three or four alliances all hit us ... ok maybe a coincidence so we gave it two or three nights. Same thing ... you can claim to the otherwise but two or three nights in a row sure seems like the block that you formed was coordinating.

I dont feel bad for hitting a 40 man alliance who had more hostiles to us than the 60 man alliance because its obviously got a taste for something. If a fly keeps bugging you eventually you have to swat it. You thought you could get away with something at the time and you couldnt. Thats how it seemed to us at least. But who knows maybe the block that formed was just all separately hitting different nd forts at the same time for three nights in a row (and then when the spat was over stopped all together too) by coincidence ... either way our actions solved the problem.

What you acted like a dick and your alliance got roided heavily by the de block. Yeah you sure showed us!!

The only time you made any significant gains through us was in the final days when you picked on the smallest member of our team (22 vs 60) and on the last night when your alliance was home dry.


ND the great white knight of PA, start shit, bitch when they hit back, go into hiding for 800 ticks then bash an alliance a third of your size for easy XP.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Kaiba

What you acted like a dick and your alliance got roided heavily by the de block. Yeah you sure showed us!!

The only time you made any significant gains through us was in the final days when you picked on the smallest member of our team (22 vs 60) and on the last night when your alliance was home dry.


ND the great white knight of PA, start shit, bitch when they hit back, go into hiding for 800 ticks then bash an alliance a third of your size for easy XP.

Atleast they are able to win in PA, Vikings so far havnt.

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by ManiacMagic

I dont feel bad for hitting a 40 man alliance who had more hostiles to us than the 60 man alliance because its obviously got a taste for something. If a fly keeps bugging you eventually you have to swat it.

You have a very high opinion of yourself and your alliance. We actually backed down, not because we 'pussied out' but because it was in the best interest for both parties. There was no point in continuing the retarded war, just because both parties were spitting out their dummies over incomings.

And as I explained in one of several discussions we had, you think that assumptions/speculations are enough to be facts. Hell, there were speculations that FAnG were going to make a move on us on several occasions, but as we use logic to base our decisions, we didn't act on it!

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Atleast they are able to win in PA, Vikings so far havnt.

Very true butcher. In one round they have played Vikings, which started the round as a 30 man tag and only got up to 50 by tick 500 to finish 3rd haven't won PA. newDawn who have played most of the 53 rounds have won 4 times??

Not a great return there either seeing as it is permantly a full tag.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Kaiba

Very true butcher. In one round they have played Vikings, which started the round as a 30 man tag and only got up to 50 by tick 500 to finish 3rd haven't won PA. newDawn who have played most of the 53 rounds have won 4 times??

Not a great return there either seeing as it is permantly a full tag.

Oh, congrats on 3rd Vikings!
Its an achievement, and looking at the fact its a total of 1 full 60 member tag below you!

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Kaiba

What you acted like a dick and your alliance got roided heavily by the de block. Yeah you sure showed us!!

I think more like, they didn't defend and hit you for easy xp to go from 2 mill behind to 26 mill in front in three nights ;p

Originally Posted by Kaiba

The only time you made any significant gains through us was in the final days when you picked on the smallest member of our team (22 vs 60) and on the last night when your alliance was home dry.

I would say that was perfect strategy.

You spent the whole round saying 'we will do what we want and if anyone hits us, we will twat you silly'.

Everyone else sat there thinking 'we will roid you for xp when the time is right, thanks'.

Originally Posted by Kaiba

ND the great white knight of PA, start shit, bitch when they hit back, go into hiding for 800 ticks then bash an alliance a third of your size for easy XP.

I think of all the alliances, that can't be levelled at ND, who hit hard and fast and at all levels.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by Forest

That's not strictly true.

They DO want to win, they just don't want to really go for it

Actually he is right. Now don't get me wrong, I'm Vikings through and through and the HC team has done well but only Clouds is near the HCs of the other alliances. Rex and infy don't have the time to put into it like they used and longer play great planets. They are also a bit slow to make decisions. PA is quite a fluid game and sometimes decisions that need to get made are delayed cos they aren't available. From what I have seen in other alliances HC's are more active on decisions and don't always have to wait to speak to the whole hc team before making them, which makes them more pro active, which I think is a lot of the difference. Personally I think Clouds puts a huge amount of te into the alliance and he is solely the reason that Vikings/TGV finish as high as 3rd and not 7/8th.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by Forest

I think more like, they didn't defend and hit you for easy xp to go from 2 mill behind to 26 mill in front in three nights ;p

Actually I was talking about the war at tick 300 when ND hit our forts and got roided down quite heavily by the de block.

Originally Posted by Forest

I would say that was perfect strategy.

You spent the whole round saying 'we will do what we want and if anyone hits us, we will twat you silly'.

Everyone else sat there thinking 'we will roid you for xp when the time is right, thanks'.

Yet they only picked on the smallest alliance, the least aggressive of the 3. XVX and Vikings were left alone until they were already far ahead through bashing a 20 man tag.

Originally Posted by Forest

I think of all the alliances, that can't be levelled at ND, who hit hard and fast and at all levels.

Yet they only pulled away when they went bashing an alliance that was 9 ranks and 40 members below them. If they hadn't bashed for XP then they would have lost. IMO it was a cowards win. After 900 ticks of hitting 'hard and fast' they took the cowards path to victory and ruined there previous efforts.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Kaiba

Yet they only pulled away when they went bashing an alliance that was 9 ranks and 40 members below them. If they hadn't bashed for XP then they would have lost. IMO it was a cowards win. After 900 ticks of hitting 'hard and fast' they took the cowards path to victory and ruined there previous efforts.

They were being hit by Ult/Rock/Inn + random de block incs.

They did a deal with ult to have a night off, with ult+nd both hitting the de block.
Ult then napped the de block, namely faceless.
The de block then used this as an excuse to smash ND.

What would YOU have done?

Ultimetly it was Ult backstabbing that gave ND the win, the plan was never to hit the de block till round end but have a one night break from a hard war.

To be honest, the de block was dumb, Ult set them up to be roided and then sat back.
ND may have made a bad decision but Ult were the ones who arranged to have faceless hit.

Incidentally, there were nights when Ult and ND went at it alone and Spore/CT didn't join in, and ND gained on Ult on those nights and more than held their own.

Clouds and co spent the round saying 'we will hit who we want and if you hit us back we will come on mass and kill you' and that is the ONLY reason the de block was so fat in the first place, as there were two sides hitting each other and fang gal raiding so no-one else to take you on.

You got fat by hitting others who were already in a war. It is a credit to them that they stayed on their objectives and didn't hit you sooner.

Incidentally, I ask you...
Why do you think Faceless/xvx/vikings should be allowed to hit you (whether in gal raids or p targetting) and not face any consequences?

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by Forest

Clouds and co spent the round saying 'we will hit who we want and if you hit us back we will come on mass and kill you' and that is the ONLY reason the de block was so fat in the first place, as there were two sides hitting each other and fang gal raiding so no-one else to take you on.

You got fat by hitting others who were already in a war. It is a credit to them that they stayed on their objectives and didn't hit you sooner.

I will correct you here. We did not say, "We will hit anyone we want, and if you return fire, we will go all out on you." We were merely galraiding. You were welcome to 'galraid' us.

Infact, we worked with the 'ND' block on more occasions than we worked with Ultores. I don't recall us working with Ultores at all actually (bar the last 3 days).

We purposely avoided forts (bar 7.4 of course) and if we did hit a fort of a certain alliance, then you were welcome to return fire without consequence.

I think you're getting youself confused with FAnG, Forest, as it was Irvine who stated that should you target them, they would join the Ultores block and hit ND + co with SKs.

[ManiacMagic]

Kai lets try to keep this to facts and not emotions. We got heavily roided by the DE block? Well I decided to take a look at kia, and until near end of round we didnt drop more than 1% any single day ... we wont look at the vikings drops with the all powerful bloque though ...

As far as 60 vs 22, with Vikings and co plus ult and co vs us thats a hell of a lot better odds than what we had. Once they were out of roids we came to your door.

Also further engaging of the DE block meant that we for sure would get de incs for the last days of the round, risking crashing etc even more. But it was the risk we chose to take, thinking that ult would be more competition. However ult seems to only be interested in flag shipping their top planet.

We took the cowards way out? Being hit by everyone and their mother? We took the only way out that we saw best guaranteed our side won. We were ahead most of the round if you take into account us crashing. If we lost it would have been to our own un doing not anyone elses. We played a good hard round and had great members who stuck with it. You can see the fleets sent status and see that its no lie.

[ManiacMagic]

also we had quite a few roids the entire round so acting like us roiding you was something new and inventive isnt really the case. We all felt you deserved it though for continuously not upholding any of your agreements. The arrogance was also a major factor ... cant tell you how amusing it was to be threatened and told we wouldnt win because of our actions. Through out the round. Well I decided that even if it cost the win a little pay back was worth it, plus I really believed we could pull it off.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by ManiacMagic

Also further engaging of the DE block meant that we for sure would get de incs for the last days of the round, risking crashing etc even more. But it was the risk we chose to take, thinking that ult would be more competition. However ult seems to only be interested in flag shipping their top planet.

At no point during the round did we ground to save a single planet/gal, but I guess you know this best right?

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by ManiacMagic

We all felt you deserved it though for continuously not upholding any of your agreements.

Please do elaborate on these so called agreements. And when you say 'you', you mean Faceless?

[Nightwolf]

Who cares... Whatever way you look at it, NewDawn made a ballsy move by attacking Faceless as it meant 'the De block' would join in on attacking them. Everybody thought it was a very dumb move political-wise. Including myself. It paid off though. And I'm quite sure if they kept hitting Ultores they would have lost. So good on them. Congratulations NewDawn, you deserved this win.

[RexDrax]

WOW just finished reading all of the posts/replies. Boy oh boy you guys really love talking about vikings dont you? Nothing better to do?

Lets explain a few things and get some correction. When the round started we realized that xVx, Faceless and Vikings were the only 3 alliances going DE heavy. We were all going to be smaller tag and the universe was going to be polarized due to Ultores playing and going for the win. It was decided that we should form a close relation with the other 2 DE alliances in order to

1) ensure we dont get farmed by the bigger alliances
2) have a effective way to counter if we do get farmed
3) have to spend less ships on anti-de ships since we would effectively neutralize most of the DE attack fleets.

Any speculation by ND indicating that the DE block was formed to hit them is pure fantasy. We did not make an agreement with each other to hit you guys, why would we? ND was not a concern and I find it funny that you believe we formed a block just to hit you guys. Get over yourself man.

Now regarding your insistence that we were targeting you or anything...all false. Except for a few instances we were only gal raiding. Keep in mind that the universe is quite small and as such not a lot of galaxies that were worth while to hit for roids. Since ND/Ult/CT/Spores were the top alliances with lots of roids and there are very few galaxies to hit for a galaxy raid... yeah of course it would make sense that you would see more hostilities from vikings than other alliances. ND was allied/working with most of the top alliances and at war with Ult. CT, Spore wasnt attacking you, Ult was grounded most nights, so yeah vikings was probably your most hostile since we were gal raiding every single night. Am I saying you shouldnt have retaled us, of course not. This is a war game and being attacked is part of attacking. You stating that we formed a block to hit you guys...LOL too funny.

This round was a off round for us vikings. We entered the round to just have fun and a lot of us took the summer off. This was made clear from the very beginning before ticks started. Its not an excuse for our ranking, action, etc... As a matter of fact maybe the other alliances that had high expectations should looking the mirror as to why vikings was able to get #3 rank. We should not have been ranked so high for an off round. We entered the round with 35ish members and we didnt expect to come even close to being full tag. At the time it made sense that we work together with xVx and Face to protect our self's from the other block/full tag alliances. Of course as the round went on we recruited some other members and then Oddr/App members were looking for a home. After a few days debating it we decided to accept them and give them a place to play. Thats pretty much the only reason we were near full tag and I guess that changed the political landscape.

Exactly where does it state that a near full size tag has to take part in the Ult vs anti-Ult block? I am getting sick and tired of the whole PA universe always coming after viking for not taking part in the big block wars. Go and leave us be. We will play the game the way we want to and to our tune and not to your own agenda. If you want to war ult or any other alliances go for it, but stop trying to make use do your work for you. CT, Spore, ND should have been more than capable in containing Ult. Also where does it say that if an alliance is taking part in a block war they are off limits to the alliances that are not fighting the block war for being attacked? This is a war game and just because your in a war does not mean the other alliances have to leave you alone to fight your war. Its your choice to fight the war and just because your in a war does not mean I will not put up a galaxy that has your members in it for a gal raid.

Actually wasnt it last round that TGV took part in block wars? What was it that happened? Oh thats right we were once again accused of a lot of things. SO lets see, when we take part in block wars we get accusations leveled at us, when we dont take part we still get accused of things. WOW maybe we should not stop playing at all, I wonder if that will change things.

Originally when I found out about ND hitting Face last few days, I thought it was a bad move. They did it way too early and I didnt think they would be able to capitalize on that. I told ND this and thought they should have waited till like wed/thur to hit Face. I expected a move like that but not this early. After 2 days and seeing how much they gained I corrected my statement. It was a good move on their part and its too bad that Face wasnt able to hold them off or ask xVx/Vikings for more defense ships. MM made the right move and I would not have expected them to gain so much XP in such a short period of time, well done. They picked on the right alliance in the end after all and their end game strategy paid off.

@MM
I am sorry what agreement are you talking about? Vikings upheld all of their agreements, as a matter of fact ND broke one 1-2 days after agreeing to it just because we hit 7 4/Shaz in a gal raid. Vikings has stuck by all of their agreements. My personal opinion was that we should have continued to fight ND after you broke an agreement but the other HCs were learning towards ending the hostilities early in the round so I went with their decision.

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by RexDrax

@MM
I am sorry what agreement are you talking about? Vikings upheld all of their agreements, as a matter of fact ND broke one 1-2 days after agreeing to it just because we hit 7 4/Shaz in a gal raid. .

Heh, I had forgotten about that!

[Nightwolf]

Originally Posted by RexDrax

..........

Every alliance gets shit, whatever they do. Vikings just always responds in such a serious manner that they start a discussion. And keep it going for that matter.

[Influence]

Originally Posted by Nightwolf

Every alliance gets shit, whatever they do. Vikings just always responds in such a serious manner that they start a discussion. And keep it going for that matter.

We just like discussions

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by RexDrax

Any speculation by ND indicating that the DE block was formed to hit them is pure fantasy. We did not make an agreement with each other to hit you guys, why would we? ND was not a concern and I find it funny that you believe we formed a block just to hit you guys. Get over yourself man.

Now regarding your insistence that we were targeting you or anything...all false. Except for a few instances we were only gal raiding. Keep in mind that the universe is quite small and as such not a lot of galaxies that were worth while to hit for roids. Since ND/Ult/CT/Spores were the top alliances with lots of roids and there are very few galaxies to hit for a galaxy raid... yeah of course it would make sense that you would see more hostilities from vikings than other alliances. ND was allied/working with most of the top alliances and at war with Ult. CT, Spore wasnt attacking you, Ult was grounded most nights, so yeah vikings was probably your most hostile since we were gal raiding every single night. Am I saying you shouldnt have retaled us, of course not. This is a war game and being attacked is part of attacking. You stating that we formed a block to hit you guys...LOL too funny.
.

I find it pretty funny that you say more or less, except the "DE Block" ND had no incommings, looking at the fact they almost had twice the incommings that Vikings had in total.
So either they were targetted by the DE block heavy, or the incomming stats from this round dosnt make sense to me.

[RexDrax]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

I find it pretty funny that you say more or less, except the "DE Block" ND had no incommings, looking at the fact they almost had twice the incommings that Vikings had in total.
So either they were targetted by the DE block heavy, or the incomming stats from this round dosnt make sense to me.

WTF, learn how to read. I never said "except the 'DE Block' ND had no incommings...". I stated that since ND was part of the anti-ult block that meant they were not getting (m)any incomings from CT/Spore and at some point HR was also helping the anti-ult block. Ult was probably grounded for some nights and since ND had lots of roids and its such a small universe its not unreasonable to notice Vikings as being one of the more hostile alliances to them based on incomings since we were gal raiding 90% of the time. Nowhere did I state what your concluded.

Originally Posted by Nightwolf

Every alliance gets shit, whatever they do. Vikings just always responds in such a serious manner that they start a discussion. And keep it going for that matter.

Ahem... I am sorry but it seems vikings gets the majority of it. In past rounds Vikings got crap for fencing. This round Fang had a bunch of agreements, did they get any crap for it? Nope none whatsoever while if vikings had even half of the agreements that Fang had you would probably be leading the charge against us. Lets be realistic, you guys seem to want to pick on vikings quite a bit no matter what. I dont expect things to change at all since I guess we are seen as the new kid on the block and PA's whipping boy.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by RexDrax

Ahem... I am sorry but it seems vikings gets the majority of it. In past rounds Vikings got crap for fencing. This round Fang had a bunch of agreements, did they get any crap for it? Nope none whatsoever while if vikings had even half of the agreements that Fang had you would probably be leading the charge against us. Lets be realistic, you guys seem to want to pick on vikings quite a bit no matter what. I dont expect things to change at all since I guess we are seen as the new kid on the block and PA's whipping boy.

There is a reason for that. Well two reasons actually...

1) Have you tried having a discussion with the other alliances. Ult for instance just never reply, and it is boring, so in the end you give up.

2) Vikings decisions are actually debatable. You see, it could have gone a number of ways. You could have even have easily won (I think had you gone on Ult earlier, you would have).
Fang on the other hand there is nothing to debate, they fence sat and only hit people who had no ability to fight back because of other commitments/wars.

You shouldn't think that everyone hates vikings or anything, I think you played a good round and I think most people would agree with that assessment.

[Nightwolf]

Originally Posted by RexDrax

WTF, learn how to read. I never said "except the 'DE Block' ND had no incommings...". I stated that since ND was part of the anti-ult block that meant they were not getting (m)any incomings from CT/Spore and at some point HR was also helping the anti-ult block. Ult was probably grounded for some nights and since ND had lots of roids and its such a small universe its not unreasonable to notice Vikings as being one of the more hostile alliances to them based on incomings since we were gal raiding 90% of the time. Nowhere did I state what your concluded.




Ahem... I am sorry but it seems vikings gets the majority of it. In past rounds Vikings got crap for fencing. This round Fang had a bunch of agreements, did they get any crap for it? Nope none whatsoever while if vikings had even half of the agreements that Fang had you would probably be leading the charge against us. Lets be realistic, you guys seem to want to pick on vikings quite a bit no matter what. I dont expect things to change at all since I guess we are seen as the new kid on the block and PA's whipping boy.

Exactly. When Innuendo was accused of NaPing the whole universe I just stated that was our strategy for e.g. instead of going into a serious discussion. You, amongst other Vikings HCs, are very easy to troll and will go into a major discussion about pretty much anything 'bad' said about Vikings. FAnG (this round atleast) and Ultores on the other hand just ignore everything said about them. Therefore it looks like everybody is always moaning at Vikings but you actually create that situation yourself. And then you proceed to actually complain about it? What kind of logic is that...

I have stated on numerous occassions that I was jealous of Vikings' round. You did a good job of not getting drawn into a stupid block war. I wish I had managed the same with Innuendo.

[Connovar]

Ignoring everything that said cause its exhausting fighting the planetarion rumour mill 24/7

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by RexDrax

WTF, learn how to read. I never said "except the 'DE Block' ND had no incommings...". I stated that since ND was part of the anti-ult block that meant they were not getting (m)any incomings from CT/Spore and at some point HR was also helping the anti-ult block. Ult was probably grounded for some nights and since ND had lots of roids and its such a small universe its not unreasonable to notice Vikings as being one of the more hostile alliances to them based on incomings since we were gal raiding 90% of the time. Nowhere did I state what your concluded.

Clearly you said that since ND had so little incommings, Vikings could be the biggest part of this.
The biggest part of 3,4k incs during a round is a lot of incommings, even for a targ that started out with 35 planets or what not.

[Clouds]

I would just remain quiet, B-Bitch3r. You're boring me now.