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23 Jul 2010, 18:51
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Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Rumours are we are going to be using modified R29 or R30 stats. Anyone care to confirm this?
This thread will be used for the roundly "discussion/whinefest" regarding stats!
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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Rumours are we are going to be using modified R29 or R30 stats. Anyone care to confirm this?
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I can confirm that there are indeed rumours that we will be using round 29 or 30 stats.
I'm slightly in favour of r29 stats, but r30's were quite good as well.
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23 Jul 2010, 19:22
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
It's not a big deal to be honest, I am just delighted that AT LONG LAST Apocco has decided to tweak a old set of stats rather than make a new one. If he does use the R29 one he has to tweak Xan for sure.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
the beta manual now has the rd 29 stats in it so we can assume he is using those ones - i think there the best stats there have been so far so it should make for another good round of PA
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Okay. Looking forward to seeing what kind of tweaks is being done then. I still have fond memories of Benneh spamming recluse all round long that round.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
So is anything being changed in the stats?
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
He said yes, but first he wants to finish the alliance stuff.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Cat & Ter will be made slightly better I think
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Anything happening yo.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
In fairness at least this time we can be pretty sure they actually are busy with other things...
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Most def. Not that it is a travesty if there aren't any changes.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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Most def. Not that it is a travesty if there aren't any changes.
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Well, surely a couple of changes will be made. Not like it will have to take that much time to do a simple update of a previously used and tested set of stats.
I can accept them focusing on other more pressingmatters atm though! Maybe appoco shouldnt be doing this set of stats, and maybe someone else who aint involved with "all the changes" ( hopefully there are alot! )
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Make the spectre like 10-12% worse, reduce xan fi's efficiencies by 7-8%, increase cath's efficencies by 5-6%, match the widow's init with cath cr's, reduce the armour on terran de by 9-10% and improve terran bs' efficiencies by 5-6%, improve etd bs by like 4-5%. Hey presto, done.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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Make the spectre like 10-12% worse, reduce xan fi's efficiencies by 7-8%, increase cath's efficencies by 5-6%, match the widow's init with cath cr's, reduce the armour on terran de by 9-10% and improve terran bs' efficiencies by 5-6%, improve etd bs by like 4-5%. Hey presto, done.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Lmao, hardly. Xan are still going to be perfectly playable. Xan were pretty great in r29 after all.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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I think we can fairly assume no-one will play Xan then
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
i agree with downgrading the spectre and the eff of xans fi
etd bs could be imroved also yes, to make it an option apart from the good/strong fr fleet
not sure about terran de, i like to see em as an option for less exp players to do good (avoid incs)
not sure about the other suggestions made by jbg, since i havnt really looked at it much
was cathaar that underpowered ? i remember cath co fleets beeing strong, i might be wrong though
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Cath co fleets were targeted t1 by mantis and with the staggering amounts of phants/revs and cutlass flying around the universe pretty much sucked.
PS I've made some changes, mostly those I outlined above, slightly toned down the xan nerfing to avoid annoying the retard brigade.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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Cath co fleets were targeted t1 by mantis and with the staggering amounts of phants/revs and cutlass flying around the universe pretty much sucked.
PS I've made some changes, mostly those I outlined above, slightly toned down the xan nerfing to avoid annoying the retard brigade.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
For the love of god it's the beta.planetarion.com link
http://beta.planetarion.com/manual.p...n=122064086225
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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ahh lol, didnt know u have the prviledge to change the beta stats allready...
how do you do that shit ?
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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ahh lol, didnt know u have the prviledge to change the beta stats allready...
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
As most people probably missed this I'd like to bring up a highly amusing thread from the beta forums, one that is largely indicative of the sort of outright retards that stats makers often have to deal with.
Based on the original r29 stats (ie before I made any changes) someone posted that the weakest races were xan and zik. Total number of xan and zik t10 and t100 planets in r29? 7 and 54. Other people agreed with him. The original poster backed up his argument for zik being weak by referencing the problems zik had last round with stealing useless ships, something which is basically not a problem at all in multi-targeting rounds.
I responded pointing out how laughably retarded all this was. Someone else then replied to me
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The Reason there was so many zik's was because they team up with all the Xan's all the time. Zik + xan fake = roids. With zik having an almost impossible Attack fleet unless you are going fi/co its really not worth it to play Zik especially with "run and hide". It makes it really hard for zik to attack because the only steals they will get are lucky attack crashers.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
are we getting the stats or not... I'm already back to AoC and won't definately sign up before I see the bloody stats to see if there's any point playing as round is already kinda big question mark thx to that alliance xp thingys possible abuses etc.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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are we getting the stats or not... I'm already back to AoC and won't definately sign up before I see the bloody stats to see if there's any point playing as round is already kinda big question mark thx to that alliance xp thingys possible abuses etc.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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as round is already kinda big question mark thx to that alliance xp thingys possible abuses etc.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Look under his name...the custom title says it all...
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
a tad, off to festivals again before hangover hits.. "awesome" stats by just glancing at them.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
I see ASC is going FRDE with that laughable Rogue change.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
finally someone whining in this thread
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Because the Shadow didn't already pwn the Rogue at 135% efficiency.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Someone is going Xan FR?
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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I see ASC is going FRDE with that laughable Rogue change.
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Who did the orginal and the last minute change to the stats?
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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who did the orginal and the last minute change to the stats?
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Still going to be very very hard for FR\DE to hit ziks.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
The rogue was originally changed because a bunch of faggots were whining about not being able to play zikonian like the retards they are (ie not stealing outside their fleet). At the time, this was all done fairly quickly, I hadn't noticed that the rogue was the only seriously good anti-ter bs def. So I asked appoco to change things.
At this point it seems a lot of people really like terran de. Somewhat strange as ter de is like 9% worse than it was that round, salvage is lower and almost everything which can roid it got improved. Terran even lost 5% off their cons bonus this round (although I dunno if everybody missed that). I guess a lot of people like it because you can play it in retard mode and probably not **** it up. Personally I'm going for something which can roid ter de!
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
cath co then?
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Nothing can roid ter DE solo fs That is the joy of Ter!
And no, I didn't know Ter had lost 5% to cons, why isn't shit like this added to 'round changes' posts(or was it?)?
edit: Terran DE is going to be spectacularily bad at capping roids though!
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Hahahaha ur bad at pa
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Is the Rogue suppose to be so weak vs EMP?
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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Nothing can roid ter DE solo fs
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ETD:
http://game.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=93wpvw5cr5hktgc
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http://game.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=5q5kq94xjb10vn3
And yes, the attackers value IS higher, because who really attacks planets with high value in this game.
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
And isil's intention is to, you know, have higher value than yours.
Nice disproportionate fleets though!
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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The rogue was originally changed because a bunch of faggots were whining about not being able to play zikonian like the retards they are (ie not stealing outside their fleet). At the time, this was all done fairly quickly, I hadn't noticed that the rogue was the only seriously good anti-ter bs def. So I asked appoco to change things.
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just to confirm that these stats are final?
So no other stat changes to be made?
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And isil's intention is to, you know, have higher value than yours.
Nice disproportionate fleets though!
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
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just to confirm that these stats are final?
So no other stat changes to be made?
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
So no deathstar?
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
30% ter ;\
edit: lolling at Psi_K's breps
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Re: Round 38 shipsstats discussion thread
Pretty decent stats this round in my opinion. The question now is, who is making the stats next round and will they be based on a previous set of stats like this round's was? In my opinion basing stats on a old set is a good way to go as it makes it a ton eaiser to balance them.
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Pretty decent stats this round in my opinion. The question now is, who is making the stats next round and will they be based on a previous set of stats like this round's was? In my opinion basing stats on a old set is a good way to go as it makes it a ton eaiser to balance them.
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Your opinion is wrong. These stats were pretty horrible and quite unbalanced in multiple ways. But then, when did you ever know anything about stats? :/
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"hahaha"
So, which races were so vastly overpowered then? I'm going to guess you think etd is overpowered.
Good to see you contribute with a constructive post as per usual..
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