Round nine, and the alliances..

[K-W]

Zhil: What were the r6 Wrath Executive?
Germania: heh
Germania: hmmm
Germania: I dont remember for the life of me





I did remember eventually.

[waassaa]

another thread turns into" how great wrath were"

if they were so great were are they, and what has become of the wrath community <== serious question.
I know some ppl who were in wrath so I believe they were good, why was the alliance stopped, did it close with Fury ?

[Zitos]

My ohhh my.. Well Zhil, I understand that its not a new Fury.. Ok, but as I clearly (or didnt I?) write there, I was just guessing and asuming out from what i heard on the street (netgamers..) So thank you for your corrections, they will come good.. And since its allways nice to read some detailed history from one of the gratest (yes i want discussion here) alliances through all the time, I thank you for that too..

Now we had a little runup on NoS and Fury, but isnt there time for some Legion (VtS) info too? Where have all of the Legion gone? Some of them must still be left..

[Scouse]

Originally posted by waassaa
if they were so great were are they, and what has become of the wrath community <== serious question.
I know some ppl who were in wrath so I believe they were good, why was the alliance stopped, did it close with Fury ?

It closed at the end of round 7 because it was a Fury recruitment alliance and with round 8 supposedly being the last round, they didn't see a need for it any longer.

And I think you'll find a lot of the 'Wrath community' in Eclipse. Also, the members of Wrath round 5 and 6 went a long way into making Fury so successful in round 7.

[waassaa]

Originally posted by Scouse
And I think you'll find a lot of the 'Wrath community' in Eclipse.

making eclipse full of ex wrath and ex fury ?

[Scouse]

Originally posted by waassaa
making eclipse full of ex wrath and ex fury ?

Most, if not all, ex-Wrath are ex-Fury. There may be a few ex-Wrath people in Eclipse that never joined full Fury but that number will be very small.

And Eclipse isn't just ex-Wrath and ex-Fury.

[waassaa]

Originally posted by Scouse
Most, if not all, ex-Wrath are ex-Fury. There may be a few ex-Wrath people in Eclipse that never joined full Fury but that number will be very small.

And Eclipse isn't just ex-Wrath and ex-Fury.

hhmm, just out of interest

a rough guide.....90% ?

[Scouse]

Originally posted by waassaa
hhmm, just out of interest

a rough guide.....90% ?

I think that's too high. I'm not a member of Eclipse though, so I don't know.

nowhere near 90%

[Jester]

Originally posted by Dreadnought!
nowhere near 90%

Yeah, they must have really low standards compared to Wrath and Fury.

Jester

Originally posted by Jester
Yeah, they must have really low standards compared to Wrath and Fury.

Jester

Ok, now you have gone and confused me :/

[Teh_Necro]

Originally posted by Dreadnought!
Ok, now you have gone and confused me :/

Never a difficult task Dread :9

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by waassaa
another thread turns into" how great wrath were"

if they were so great were are they, and what has become of the wrath community <== serious question.
I know some ppl who were in wrath so I believe they were good, why was the alliance stopped, did it close with Fury ?

Ignorance strikes again.

Perhaps if people stopped comparing Eclipse to a new Fury then I would stop having to try and correct.

The r5 Wrath community itself ended within r5, probably my biggest regret in not negotiating a deal with Sid to keep it running as battlegroup. This happened in all rounds, the Wrath were upgraded into Fury and the Wrath for that round disbanded. There were people who had been Wrath in r5 who didnt get promoted and reapplied to Wrath for r6.

Alot of people who met eachother in Wrath still stick together in general, and Ive seen ex r5 Wrath within different alliances still defend eachother regardless of their current alliances.

There was no Wrath for r8 either since there was little point - it being the 'last round' and all.

[Torz]

Eclipes will never live up to Fury as it doesn't have Sid.

[K-W]

Fury is dead. Case closed, no alliance will ever be the new Fury.

Scouse hit the wrath issue right on the head. It was a wing, not an alliance, so it wasnt like some recruitment projects that existed independantly at the end. When we were no longer recruiting for a coming round, we closed it, because it then would have served no purpose.

One of the great things about wrath was that it was independent, but still completely Fury. A fine line that many recruitment plans have failed to stay on.

But wrath is also dead, and this is a thread about round 9 alliances, so return to my first sentence and leave it at that.

[BlueArmy]

Originally posted by Torz
Eclipes will never live up to Fury as it doesn't have Sid.

I have to agree with u..

No alliance can compare to Fury when Sid was in charge..

Eclipse also aint a new Fury, although i want it to be a new fury i have to admit they let in too many non fury's and i dont like em already

Originally posted by Torz
Eclipes will never live up to Fury as it doesn't have Sid.

Nor did round 7 Fury

[Torz]

Originally posted by Dreadnought!
Nor did round 7 Fury

and?

[K-W]

Originally posted by Dreadnought!
Nor did round 7 Fury

Round 7 Fury faced many difficulties without sid. The largest of which was the lack of faith of many that it could operate without him. The fact that it operated very successfully and very true to Fury form, was something that many refused to aknowledge as a possibility. Sid could say something and people would do it. The leaders in rd 7 faced alot of talkback and skepticism. The other big challenge was that sid had friendships and connections with many in the game that none of the leaders who took over had so we were suddenly in a diplomatic hole which didnt manifest itself until later in the round. But then again considering the events and the leadership changes in some alliances, that may not have made a difference.

If sid had stayed around and done nothing, I severly doubt anyone would have known the difference. Things ran generally to the norm of Fury in Sid rounds.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by K-W
Round 7 Fury faced many difficulties without sid. The largest of which was the lack of faith of many that it could operate without him. The fact that it operated very successfully and very true to Fury form, was something that many refused to aknowledge as a possibility. Sid could say something and people would do it. The leaders in rd 7 faced alot of talkback and skepticism. The other big challenge was that sid had friendships and connections with many in the game that none of the leaders who took over had so we were suddenly in a diplomatic hole which didnt manifest itself until later in the round. But then again considering the events and the leadership changes in some alliances, that may not have made a difference.

If sid had stayed around and done nothing, I severly doubt anyone would have known the difference. Things ran generally to the norm of Fury in Sid rounds.

heh, then again you wouldn't have met such nice pple like me

rgds Kj

[StarlockUV]

Originally posted by Colt
Np, always glad to help

VD have renamed VGN but dont have any relations with any1, tho again, im not 100% sure on that

I can verify this, as you all know the great small allainces of UV-Ultra Violence and BD-Black Death merged in round 8 to become VD-Violent Death. Many people had a few choice words about the conitations of the tag VD, of which i am sure you are all aware of.

So this round we have changed our name to somthing that more suits the community we have. So we have desided to use VGN-Vengeance, for those if you who remmeber the allaince long ago called VGN, they merged with BD in round 4 so for any sticklers, we have the right to use this banner again.

anyway as for our postion and poltical ties thats for us to know and you to find out. Unlike the rest of youw we dont belive in giving out INTEL free of charge.

VGN Motto: "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees"

[Sn0w]

nice motto.

[Hicks]

Originally posted by K-W
The other big challenge was that sid had friendships and connections with many in the game that none of the leaders who took over had so we were suddenly in a diplomatic hole which didnt manifest itself until later in the round.

I can still remember terrible realisation that we were alone about three weeks after Sid said "I'll be back in a fortnight". It wasn't helped by the fact a Fury Politics Executive asked me who the current Legion HC was, I thought for a minute and then realised I had no idea either

You and Cryptic did an exceptional job in Round 7 all things considered.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Hicks
I can still remember terrible realisation that we were alone about three weeks after Sid said "I'll be back in a fortnight". It wasn't helped by the fact a Fury Politics Executive asked me who the current Legion HC was, I thought for a minute and then realised I had no idea either

You and Cryptic did an exceptional job in Round 7 all things considered.

I contributed by keeping links to some Legion and others. I also argued with Germania every night saying 'We're doomed' and such and generally causing arguements to keep him on his toes

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Torz
Eclipes will never live up to Fury as it doesn't have Sid.

True but we never intend to be a new Fury or such anyway.

I doubt anything can match Fury/Legion/Xanadu from previous rounds anymore.

[LordAtlantis]

Yes, Germania did quite well for his first time, really at the head of the "warmachine" known as Fury. Even though, Cryptic was leader, and had final say, Germania's political manuevering, and military understanding, had a great effect on Fury. Just like in Round 6 with Wrath, he held and formed a good core of Fury to lead the way to another victory. It was fun to watch the Executives run around, trying to preserve a good chance for Fury, without Sid.

Germania, Almost reminded me of XXV

[AlbinoSquirrel]

Originally posted by LordAtlantis
Even though, Cryptic was leader, and had final say, Germania's political manuevering, and military understanding, had a great effect on Fury.

You mean like pissing off all of our allies enough to make them form the short-lived Consortium?

Don't make me laugh :\

As for the military bit...now you just made me laugh :\

(thanks Jester for pointing out my typo :P )

[waassaa]

Originally posted by Zh|l
I contributed by keeping links to some Legion and others. I also argued with Germania every night saying 'We're doomed' and such and generally causing arguements to keep him on his toes

Try not blowing your own horn everytime wrath are mentioned mate.

Ignorance strikes again.

Perhaps if people stopped comparing Eclipse to a new Fury then I would stop having to try and correct.

The r5 Wrath community itself ended within r5, probably my biggest regret in not negotiating a deal with Sid to keep it running as battlegroup. This happened in all rounds, the Wrath were upgraded into Fury and the Wrath for that round disbanded. There were people who had been Wrath in r5 who didnt get promoted and reapplied to Wrath for r6.

Alot of people who met eachother in Wrath still stick together in general, and Ive seen ex r5 Wrath within different alliances still defend eachother regardless of their current alliances.

There was no Wrath for r8 either since there was little point - it being the 'last round' and all.

Hardly ignorance,
as I wasn't in wrath or Fury I am not in the position to give information, just to ask for it, as I did. Also I didn't compare Eclypse to Fury, just asked how many ex Fury or Wrath were in Eclypse.
I wasn't putting Fury or wrath down , I have alot of respect for both.
If your gonna flame ppl for no reason, at least read the posts and think a little.

[K-W]

Originally posted by AlbinoSquirrel
You mean like pissing off all of our allies enough to make them form the short-lived Consortium?

Don't make me laugh :\

As for the military bit...now you just made me laugh :\

(thanks Jester for pointing out my typo :P )

When you post on topics you are informed about you generally make good points, but in a post like this, where you are clearly going off impressions, rumors and propaganda from the round, you just sound like you have no clue.

I love how the end of round 7 is totally my fault but I dont get any credit for the beginning. I led the block to organize, I organized the strategy for the first war. THe block won, the war went very well. Then we hit a giant political nightmare. Wenx factions were trying to make backdoor deals throughout the block. Virus and Rah got into a position where Fury was in a lose lose situation. Either we stopped the war and pissed virus off, or we allowed the war and got Fury caught in the middle of a war mostly between its own galaxies. It didnt help that virus and Rah had both been at fault so we couldnt take a moral highroad either.
We made the decision to avoid war. And virus felt that we had betrayed them. If we had gone the other way it would have resulted in something just as messy or messier. Legion went through a leadership change, where for a while it had no real top leadership, eventually Fred was the dominant policy maker and he came into things anti Fury and trying to best our galaxy and planet in the rankings. The titans issue is the only one where I think you could take issue with our policy. It was a very tough position. We can discuss the issue in private if you like and see whether you disagree with our decision when you actually know the situation. We were again placed in a lose lose situation between Fang and Legion/Virus where we had to make the choice best for our alliance. No choice we could have made in that situation would not have lead to a large group hating us.

Consortium was entered into by many alliances halfway, through lies and manipulation.(most of the reasons given for it occuring were complete lies) In the end most of our allies were in factions over it. And non stayed comitted to it. Once again it is my fault that it started, but I get no credit for the fact that disaster was averted.


As far as my military, we won the round in the most decisice manner arguably since rd 1. If thats not good enough for you then I really dont care what you think. It was a rough messy round for everyone, and we still came out on top. We pissed allies off, allies pissed us off. ANd there were certainly a truckload of issues totally out my hands.

I suppose it would be hypocritical to say that I really dont care about your opinion since I just launched a stupidly large defence to it. But I like discussing round 7, it was an interesting round. And Ive heard enough garbage about it. If you are going to give me blame for things I deserve credit for things too.

[Scouse]

Originally posted by K-W
stuff

You know, reading what yourself and Zhil write about round 7 just makes me sad. You both agree that Titans were good allies, better than the ones you ended up staying with. You both probably know how Consortium came about and who were the 'leaders' of it, and the Titans part in it.

Yet you still chose us to go to war with, just because Legion talked you into it. The same Legion who were **** allies for round 6 and round 7.

Fury deserved to win round 7, everyone knows that. Titans didn't deserve to be classed as 'losing' to the likes of Legion and Virus.

I like both yourself and Zhil. I liked Fury, there were our best allies for round 6 and 7. What happened was a shame.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by K-W
Virus and Fang got into a position where Fury was in a lose lose situation. Either we stopped the war and pissed virus off, or we allowed the war and got Fury caught in the middle of a war mostly between its own galaxies. It didnt help that virus and fang had both been at fault so we couldnt take a moral highroad either.

mmm, soz if I didn't really understand it so correct me if I'm wrong, but where has FAnG been at fault concerning Virus at that time?

Originally posted by K-W
We made the decision to avoid war. And virus felt that we had betrayed them.

heh, imagine how we felt

Originally posted by K-W
We were again placed in a lose lose situation between Fang and Legion/Virus where we had to make the choice best for our alliance. No choice we could have made in that situation would not have lead to a large group hating us.

I agree, though I believe our hatred (as in FAnG) wasn't really aimed at Fury personally but at FLTV in a whole, and Fury still represented the stronger part in that block.
I personally never even hated Fury for it, I'm sure you can agree to that according to the "many" chat we had during r7 during the last few weeks.

Originally posted by K-W
I suppose it would be hypocritical to say that I really dont care about your opinion since I just launched a stupidly large defence to it. But I like discussing round 7, it was an interesting round. And Ive heard enough garbage about it. If you are going to give me blame for things I deserve credit for things too.

amen !!!

rgds Kj

[K-W]

I confused rah and fang. It was rah who got in the conflict with virus and it was those two sides who were mutually escalating a war that would have hurt Fury a great deal.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Scouse
You know, reading what yourself and Zhil write about round 7 just makes me sad. You both agree that Titans were good allies, better than the ones you ended up staying with. You both probably know how Consortium came about and who were the 'leaders' of it, and the Titans part in it.

Yet you still chose us to go to war with, just because Legion talked you into it. The same Legion who were **** allies for round 6 and round 7.

Fury deserved to win round 7, everyone knows that. Titans didn't deserve to be classed as 'losing' to the likes of Legion and Virus.

I like both yourself and Zhil. I liked Fury, there were our best allies for round 6 and 7. What happened was a shame.

I think neither FAnG nor Titans deserved that "ending" based on the loyalty and efforts we did towards Fury and FLTV.

rgds Kj

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by K-W
Virus hit fang galaxies outside of other block galaxies. Which was very much not in the spirit of the block.

heh, yeah I'm sure Legion had sleepless nights over it

rgds Kj

[K-W]

Originally posted by Scouse
You know, reading what yourself and Zhil write about round 7 just makes me sad. You both agree that Titans were good allies, better than the ones you ended up staying with. You both probably know how Consortium came about and who were the 'leaders' of it, and the Titans part in it.

Yet you still chose us to go to war with, just because Legion talked you into it. The same Legion who were **** allies for round 6 and round 7.

Fury deserved to win round 7, everyone knows that. Titans didn't deserve to be classed as 'losing' to the likes of Legion and Virus.

I like both yourself and Zhil. I liked Fury, there were our best allies for round 6 and 7. What happened was a shame.

Legion talked us into nothing. Scouse, the Valy incident was what made us conflict with you, pushed you into consortium and made consortium happen. And at the end of it all, you still refused to allow us to enforce our rules against a player that had committed treason against us. That was not the act of a freind and not the act of an ally. Instead you went around telling our other allies that we were just trying to justify attacks on you and it fed into the very very very false rumor that Fury was plotting against its allies.

Without exception every allied leader from the block that Ive personally discussed the issue with agreed that Fury should have been able to get the limited action we asked for against Valy, yet Titans wouldnt even offer us a token concession.

Because of our close allaince with TItans, I was absolutely blindsided when Titans took a hard line with us and harbored a traitor. Almost as blindsided as I was the next day when consortium happened.

[Scouse]

We offered you the roids, but that wasn't good enough.

I regret not being more involved in the retal on BA, which caused it all and I regret not being around the night the Consortium deal was 'made'. I also regret not having the time to talk to you about how to solve the issue.

However, if it wasn't for Fury's moves at the end of round 7, and the determination that it fed our members for round 8, then round 8 may have been completely different. Round 8 made up for what happened in round 7 a million times over, so I wouldn't change any of it given the chance.

[Aaranaf]

Originally posted by K-W
Virus hit fang galaxies outside of other block galaxies. Which was very much not in the spirit of the block. And then a fang member in a Fury/Legion galaxy attacked virus. Which was a violation of the block as well. both sides had legitate grievences. Neither side was a total victim.

was more RaH wasnt it ? but yeah it was a sticky situation. only way FAnG was involved was they sided with RaH in the whole ordeal.

though, it did make #monkeybusiness a fun place to watch with the consitant verbal wars between ViruS and RaH :P

im with scouse, i DID like Fury. but as was said, when Sid left, some contacts to other alliances were lost. i guess such is the case with ViruS, as i watched our relationship deteriorate throughout round 7- mostly how you tried to solve (we saw bully but whatever) the ViruS / RaH issue.

I enjoyed working with every single Fury exec - especially Germania. its a shame that in the end, ViruS and Fury werent meant to be.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Scouse
We offered you the roids, but that wasn't good enough.

I regret not being more involved in the retal on BA, which caused it all and I regret not being around the night the Consortium deal was 'made'. I also regret not having the time to talk to you about how to solve the issue.

However, if it wasn't for Fury's moves at the end of round 7, and the determination that it fed our members for round 8, then round 8 may have been completely different. Round 8 made up for what happened in round 7 a million times over, so I wouldn't change any of it given the chance.

I certainly wouldnt think that what happened in round 8 made up for rd 5. If the idea that Titans were screwed over by Fury was something I agreed with I wouldnt settle for anything less than a similar screwing. Rd 8 never ended, so you didnt screw us over in a round ranking, and you never got the chance to kill us either.

But the major point here is this.

TITANS NEVER OFFERED US ROIDS

I dont know who lied to you, but we made an offer of a limited tick retal, and we were not offered anything in a counter offer. We were told that we would get nothing..

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Aaranaf
was more RaH wasnt it ? but yeah it was a sticky situation. only way FAnG was involved was they sided with RaH in the whole ordeal.

I'm soz, but we were allied to RaH so the only logical option for us was to stick to them, eventhough we never got that same gesture returned from them when they put us on "neutral" a month later

rgds Kj

[K-W]

Originally posted by Aaranaf
was more RaH wasnt it ? but yeah it was a sticky situation. only way FAnG was involved was they sided with RaH in the whole ordeal.

though, it did make #monkeybusiness a fun place to watch with the consitant verbal wars between ViruS and RaH :P

im with scouse, i DID like Fury. but as was said, when Sid left, some contacts to other alliances were lost. i guess such is the case with ViruS, as i watched our relationship deteriorate throughout round 7- mostly how you tried to solve (we saw bully but whatever) the ViruS / RaH issue.

I enjoyed working with every single Fury exec - especially Germania. its a shame that in the end, ViruS and Fury werent meant to be.

Argh, I confused rah and Fang in my thread. Congrats Aaranaf for being the first to pick that up.

As far as Virus, there were factions in the command that were anti fury and pro fury, and when the time came it was the anti fury that led Virus into consortium. Towards the end of the round there was just no trust to anyone. THe lies, the conflict, no one was thinking about anyone but themsleves. We were the biggest dog so everyone decided to hate us.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Aaranaf
was more RaH wasnt it ? but yeah it was a sticky situation. only way FAnG was involved was they sided with RaH in the whole ordeal.

though, it did make #monkeybusiness a fun place to watch with the consitant verbal wars between ViruS and RaH :P

im with scouse, i DID like Fury. but as was said, when Sid left, some contacts to other alliances were lost. i guess such is the case with ViruS, as i watched our relationship deteriorate throughout round 7- mostly how you tried to solve (we saw bully but whatever) the ViruS / RaH issue.

I enjoyed working with every single Fury exec - especially Germania. its a shame that in the end, ViruS and Fury werent meant to be.

Well if ViruS had not tried to sh*t on RaH and bully it over some pathetic rulings than Fury would never have had to get involved. ViruS were being utterly awkward and unreasonable during talks with RaH from what I saw/was involved in. You wouldnt accept that hitting their galaxies occassionally was 'wrong' and thus were trying to throw your weight around. Fury tried to mediate, when that failed it had to settle the matter by throwing its military into the equation. I'll agree with you that Fury bullied ViruS into submission, but it was the last option to prevent a war that we did not wish for.

[Petru]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
I'm soz, but we were allied to RaH so the only logical option for us was to stick to them, eventhough we never got that same gesture returned from them when they put us on "neutral" a month later

rgds Kj

When are you going to get it into your head that the only relations you had with us were a promise from Lenin?

We never had ANYTHING official with you, I told you this several times in pm personally, I never once gave you a concrete yes/no, nor did any other HC aside from the afore mentioned one.

I may annoy Ian/Lenin here, but no other HC in RaH considered FaNG allied, or napped, or anything official during the entire duration of r7. There was a joint room on your suggestion, which never once got used, and nothing else to name.

We weren't allied, get over it.

[Aviendha1975]

Originally posted by Aaranaf
was more RaH wasnt it ?

Sention still treasures his Singu roids


And holier than the pope is not an attitude that has a place in the PA world.
You act, we react, it's how the world goes round.



R7 ... how passé

[Maddix]

Originally posted by Petru
When are you going to get it into your head that the only relations you had with us were a promise from Lenin?

We never had ANYTHING official with you, I told you this several times in pm personally, I never once gave you a concrete yes/no, nor did any other HC aside from the afore mentioned one.

I may annoy Ian/Lenin here, but no other HC in RaH considered FaNG allied, or napped, or anything official during the entire duration of r7. There was a joint room on your suggestion, which never once got used, and nothing else to name.

We weren't allied, get over it.

Pretty much the same with Legion. We never had any official agreements with Fang (whatever they may think). We 'tolerated' them cos they had an agreement with Fury and Fury were one of our closest, if not the closest, allies we had at the start of that round.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Maddix
Pretty much the same with Legion. We never had any official agreements with Fang (whatever they may think). We 'tolerated' them cos they had an agreement with Fury and Fury were one of our closest, if not the closest, allies we had at the start of that round.

Yep, Fury and Legion were very close when we set up the round, and axis_wlf and I worked very closely together during the wenx war. After that war died down, Axis got pretty inactive, and a rift started forming.

[Aaranaf]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
I'm soz, but we were allied to RaH so the only logical option for us was to stick to them, eventhough we never got that same gesture returned from them when they put us on "neutral" a month later

rgds Kj

no need to be sorry, i can look better upon you for defending your ally before betraying em

[Aaranaf]

Originally posted by Zh|l
Well if ViruS had not tried to sh*t on RaH and bully it over some pathetic rulings than Fury would never have had to get involved. ViruS were being utterly awkward and unreasonable during talks with RaH from what I saw/was involved in. You wouldnt accept that hitting their galaxies occassionally was 'wrong' and thus were trying to throw your weight around. Fury tried to mediate, when that failed it had to settle the matter by throwing its military into the equation. I'll agree with you that Fury bullied ViruS into submission, but it was the last option to prevent a war that we did not wish for.

you cannot speak for ViruS' opinion and feelings during that situation. same for RaH. RaH shat on us just as much as we pissed on them.

we only "occassionally" hit RaH galaxys upon them hittin us. Metrofx (i think- so try not to quote me on it) was a prime example of someone we hit.

correct me if im wrong, but the situation arised when Sention(FAnG at the time?) hit Singulatiry(ViruS top player at the time as well as #1 player?) and stole a bunch of roids. after doin so, resigned from FAnG and joined RaH, so ViruS went to RaH to deal with gettin Singu's roids back and it just progressed to hostility beween the command. Complete immaturity from people on their side, and ill admit, immaturity on our side too.

RaH (if my situation is correct cos tbh i dont freakin remember) complete refused to cooperate in giving an ally/nap/sameblockpartner their top players roids back. the argument saying "we werent allied or anything blah blah" is useless cos if that were a legitimate case, then we would be able to fairly roid RaH/ Sention back.

^^ perhaps thats why Fury intervened and appeared to stand by RaH. if Singu had gotten his roids back, Fury/Kileman wouldnt have won the round ?(if singu was #1 before the situation occured)

if im wrong, please correct me cos itd be nice to be able to remember

[Aaranaf]

also, ViruS hostility increased to Fury at the end of the round even further after learning (could be a false rumor) that it was ViruS who was to be dropped and roided, not Titans

[Zitos]

loads of good reading here.. keep it up guys, and give meh some info on round eight (i just got some of it) and, then we can start talking round nine.. (-:

[Petru]

Originally posted by Aaranaf
you cannot speak for ViruS' opinion and feelings during that situation. same for RaH. RaH shat on us just as much as we pissed on them.

we only "occassionally" hit RaH galaxys upon them hittin us. Metrofx (i think- so try not to quote me on it) was a prime example of someone we hit.

correct me if im wrong, but the situation arised when Sention(FAnG at the time?) hit Singulatiry(ViruS top player at the time as well as #1 player?) and stole a bunch of roids. after doin so, resigned from FAnG and joined RaH, so ViruS went to RaH to deal with gettin Singu's roids back and it just progressed to hostility beween the command. Complete immaturity from people on their side, and ill admit, immaturity on our side too.

RaH (if my situation is correct cos tbh i dont freakin remember) complete refused to cooperate in giving an ally/nap/sameblockpartner their top players roids back. the argument saying "we werent allied or anything blah blah" is useless cos if that were a legitimate case, then we would be able to fairly roid RaH/ Sention back.

^^ perhaps thats why Fury intervened and appeared to stand by RaH. if Singu had gotten his roids back, Fury/Kileman wouldnt have won the round ?(if singu was #1 before the situation occured)

if im wrong, please correct me cos itd be nice to be able to remember

Considerably wrong on most counts.

Rah, at the time having relations only with Fury and Titans in FLTTV, was attempting to secure a firmer position with the block. We met with Virus HC a few times and discussed terms of a NAP (cue Viper never ever coming back to us). So, Virus incomings started, with Virus saying "we have no relations" etc etc.

Somewhere in a galaxy far far away, Singularity was gaining in score. I personally had stated I would never allow such a ****head to win the round (hi Singu), but that aside, Sention (RaH HC, never FAnG) decided to hop onto Singu's planet and roid him silly.

When we of course waved the "no relations" flag, Virus cried. Fury became involved as Sentions galaxy was the #1 galaxy at the time, and was predominantly Fury. So they had quite a say, since Virus wanted to knock a lot of score off it. By the terms of Virus/Fury alliance Fury had to approve it. There was a lot of arguing between Fury, Rah and Virus, but we in Rah decided we weren't going to let Virus bully us into backing down.

We had gone to Virus, extending an olive branch for terms, Virus never replied. Only when we had something of Virus did they then say "LETS NAP", but then only including a retal on Sention. Of course, this wasn't acceptable.

Fury decided to deny entrance to 26:2, I can only imagine annoying Virus somewhat, but what was Virus to do eh? As it was, a NAP was agreed on shortly afterward, although repeated Virus incomings on Rah galaxies continued on and off.

There was no immaturity from Rah's command side, it was quite simple. We had tried, Virus denied, Virus attacked us, while we continued to recall off Virus targets when advised, one of Rah then attacked Virus, Virus demanded a retal and THEN a Nap on their terms.

That's a pretty stupid thing to consider accepting in anyones books. I wasn't about to, nor was any other Rah HC, and if the tables were turned neither would Virus HC.

Virus demanded a retal, we refused, how is that immature?

And as for you quoting Metro as a reason for Virus attacking Rah, his scare never topped 2-3m in the entire round. Were you that scared of him?