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20 Apr 2005, 23:49
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vinyl -> mp3
how.
ta
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20 Apr 2005, 23:56
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Cute Kitten
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
Stereo with line out (headphone) and a record player, to computer with a line in (microphone) and record using something that will record sound (sound recorder?) and then encode with your program of choice (cdex/fubar etc can all do this)
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21 Apr 2005, 00:01
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Aardvark is a funny word
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
ta. won this today, you see.
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21 Apr 2005, 00:19
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Darling
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
Sound recorder is a less than ideal tool for the job, given that when I last used it it stopped every 30s.
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21 Apr 2005, 00:33
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by BesigedB
Sound recorder is a less than ideal tool for the job, given that when I last used it it stopped every 30s.
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It does.
:eng101: Before you record your item, make sure you have a file of sufficient length to hold it, either by clicking record every time it stops on a blank recording, or opening up a really long one.
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21 Apr 2005, 00:35
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Dirte
Join Date: Apr 2002
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
Vinly has more spirit. It's a uniqe experience, that no 0's and 1's can replace.
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21 Apr 2005, 00:43
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Love's Sweet Exile
Join Date: May 2001
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
Audacity is a good and free sound-recording piece of software. I would reccomend it lots.
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21 Apr 2005, 00:46
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Evul Critter
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by Snurx
Vinly has more spirit. It's a uniqe experience, that no 0's and 1's can replace.
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Listening to Digitally made music on Vinyl is silly. They are not replacing the 0's and 1's they are converting the digital music to analogue, whats the point.
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21 Apr 2005, 00:54
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Caveat Lector
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Tucson, Arizona
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by zakoff
Listening to Digitally made music on Vinyl is silly. They are not replacing the 0's and 1's they are converting the digital music to analogue, whats the point.
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But you can scratch.
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21 Apr 2005, 00:59
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Love's Sweet Exile
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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21 Apr 2005, 06:25
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
Quote:
Originally Posted by zakoff
Listening to Digitally made music on Vinyl is silly. They are not replacing the 0's and 1's they are converting the digital music to analogue, whats the point.
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regardless vinyl gets spirit in time. it changes ^_^
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21 Apr 2005, 06:48
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
What, the music gets crackly and less audible?
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21 Apr 2005, 08:02
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Darling
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Edinburgh
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
That's the dust that settles when you don't care for your records with a brush and firstborn child.
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21 Apr 2005, 08:37
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Born Sinful
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Loughborough, UK
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
Snurx, pure analog from start to finish is (very nearly, see below) the only circumstance under which vinyl sounds better than digital recording systems.
The reason for this is that it retains high harmonics/reflections/reverbs which CDA discards (CD sample rate is 41,000Hz giving a maximum recordable wavelength of 22,050Hz. However, you can't just slap raw digital audio onto a CD because you get a lot of distortion in the top 2000Hz range because of the higher waveforms that have been "chopped off" - so the top 2000Hz or so are attenuated to eliminate this (known as oversampling). This gives a more effective range of CD audio of 20 - 20,000Hz.
Now yes, technically, human hearing ends around the 20,000Hz mark but that's only an average.
Many people cannot hear the rangefinding clicks made by bats for example, but some including myself can - although this "extra" hearing range is often lost with age. And while you may not be able to directly hear many of the frequencies recorded to vinyl, objects in the room may well pick them up and generate harmonics at a lower frequency.
The digital equivilant of vinyl is Super Audio CD (SACD), which has a sample rate of 200,000Hz and a frequency response of 2 - 100,000Hz (vs. 20 - 20,000Hz offered by CD).
If a recording studio uses SACD certified digital equipment from start to finish, then and only then is it possible to preserve the original clarity of the audio and produce a vinyl product which is better than a CD produced from the same master. However, such equipment is very expensive, and it's about more than just the hardware. Any digital samples used must be recorded at 200,000Hz as well, any mixing software used must support it, etc etc.
Once you skip over the technicalities, the only difference is what audiophiles will call the slightly "warmer" sound of vinyl, which is simply the oddities in playback caused by the degredation of the track, dust, and varying qualities of the stylus and pick-up equipment.
Needless to say, you need to spend a lot of money on amps speakers before you can tell any appreciable difference between the two anyway.
As for vinyl -> MP3, in terms of sound quality you might as well go and buy the CD, as the first thing the MP3 codec does is cut out the extreme high and low frequencies in order to save space.
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21 Apr 2005, 09:56
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by meglamaniac
As for vinyl -> MP3, in terms of sound quality you might as well go and buy the CD, as the first thing the MP3 codec does is cut out the extreme high and low frequencies in order to save space.
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Much better to use FLAC then?
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21 Apr 2005, 10:42
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a new low in getting high
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by zakoff
Listening to Digitally made music on Vinyl is silly. They are not replacing the 0's and 1's they are converting the digital music to analogue, whats the point.
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you're cool. new vinyl sounds so hollow and empty compared to stuff that was actually recorded analogly (not a word i know)
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21 Apr 2005, 13:05
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Darling
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
There is no denying that picturediscs look the part, even if their sound quality is variable.
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21 Apr 2005, 13:08
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Dirte
Join Date: Apr 2002
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
My point is that putting on a vinly is so much better then putting on a mp3-cd. I don't care about sound quality (Or, I do, but not that much), but the thing you call "warmer sound" is great.
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21 Apr 2005, 13:21
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a new low in getting high
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by BesigedB
There is no denying that picturediscs look the part, even if their sound quality is variable.
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yay!
my best fuh-rend here & here!
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21 Apr 2005, 14:25
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Rawr rawr
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Upside down
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by BesigedB
Sound recorder is a less than ideal tool for the job, given that when I last used it it stopped every 30s.
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- Record 30 seconds
- Slow down track to 50%, bar says 60 seconds
- Slow down track to 50%, bar says 120 seconds
- Slow down track to 50%, bar says 240 seconds
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- Record
I remember applying this trick back in the days when I got my first computer and I only had paint, notepad and soundrecorder to play with.
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21 Apr 2005, 18:38
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
you can scratch using software, CD decks, etc.
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21 Apr 2005, 21:17
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Rawr rawr
Join Date: Dec 2000
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by onetwothree
you can scratch using software, CD decks, etc.
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... ones arse...
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21 Apr 2005, 22:26
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Still ace
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by meglamaniac
Snurx, pure analog from start to finish is (very nearly, see below) the only circumstance under which vinyl sounds better than digital recording systems.
The reason for this is that it retains high harmonics/reflections/reverbs which CDA discards (CD sample rate is 41,000Hz giving a maximum recordable wavelength of 22,050Hz. However, you can't just slap raw digital audio onto a CD because you get a lot of distortion in the top 2000Hz range because of the higher waveforms that have been "chopped off" - so the top 2000Hz or so are attenuated to eliminate this (known as oversampling). This gives a more effective range of CD audio of 20 - 20,000Hz.
Now yes, technically, human hearing ends around the 20,000Hz mark but that's only an average.
Many people cannot hear the rangefinding clicks made by bats for example, but some including myself can - although this "extra" hearing range is often lost with age. And while you may not be able to directly hear many of the frequencies recorded to vinyl, objects in the room may well pick them up and generate harmonics at a lower frequency.
The digital equivilant of vinyl is Super Audio CD (SACD), which has a sample rate of 200,000Hz and a frequency response of 2 - 100,000Hz (vs. 20 - 20,000Hz offered by CD).
If a recording studio uses SACD certified digital equipment from start to finish, then and only then is it possible to preserve the original clarity of the audio and produce a vinyl product which is better than a CD produced from the same master. However, such equipment is very expensive, and it's about more than just the hardware. Any digital samples used must be recorded at 200,000Hz as well, any mixing software used must support it, etc etc.
Once you skip over the technicalities, the only difference is what audiophiles will call the slightly "warmer" sound of vinyl, which is simply the oddities in playback caused by the degredation of the track, dust, and varying qualities of the stylus and pick-up equipment.
Needless to say, you need to spend a lot of money on amps speakers before you can tell any appreciable difference between the two anyway.
As for vinyl -> MP3, in terms of sound quality you might as well go and buy the CD, as the first thing the MP3 codec does is cut out the extreme high and low frequencies in order to save space.
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23 Apr 2005, 22:05
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Rebellion Rebelleader
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: vinyl -> mp3
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
What, the music gets crackly and less audible?
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exactly. it gets spirit
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