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Leshy · 23 Apr 2004, 20:02

Really, VGN.

Dancing to Phraktos' wishes, roiding Grim| who self-exiled after a planet in his galaxy threatened to report anyone trying to farm him? Amusing that he's now suddenly under attack from several VGN planets in the Phraktos-heavy #2 galaxy (#1 on roid count), and happens to be "retaliating" on a Phraktos planet in the same galaxy.

I would have expected Phraktos to keep on trying to farm him, but that VGN planets are acting like good Phraktos puppies is pretty sad.

Where are the morals?

xtothez · 23 Apr 2004, 20:12

I like the way a single WP (in Dogs' gal) got through on LoRd just after he quit, and took 500+ roids. Thought his gal mates would have defended that, since they weren't under attack or anything.
Not that I like to start rumours or anything.

Razorback · 23 Apr 2004, 21:19

the topgal race is always decided by cheating, exploiting, treason, reporting of friends (for personal gain not for the sake of hunting cheaters) or a hostile suicide run.
welcome to pa.

Phil^ · 23 Apr 2004, 21:22

it`d be very nice if people actually reported them instead of pretending they`re going to.
theres no sense in harbouring cheaters

Razorback · 23 Apr 2004, 21:28

will be hard to prove, since irc logs dont count and vsn are hostile towards phraktos and are officially at war.
Not the first time accidents happen or ppl who exploited the rules got away.

Ace · 23 Apr 2004, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Razorback

the topgal race is always decided by cheating, exploiting, treason, reporting of friends (for personal gain not for the sake of hunting cheaters) or a hostile suicide run.
welcome to pa.

eeerrrrmmm not agreeing with you there m8, well will if you remove the word ALWAYS.

Razorback · 23 Apr 2004, 21:36

not ? gimme a number

Ace · 23 Apr 2004, 21:37

atleast 1

Kal · 23 Apr 2004, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Razorback

the topgal race is always decided by cheating, exploiting, treason, reporting of friends (for personal gain not for the sake of hunting cheaters) or a hostile suicide run.
welcome to pa.

damn that explains why i don't win anything - oh well there is allways next round :P

Razorback · 23 Apr 2004, 21:37

i meant roundnumber sorry that was a ill worded reply of mine.

Ace · 23 Apr 2004, 21:38

hehe ok r10

Razorback · 23 Apr 2004, 21:41

hehe r10 kilroy vs arfa
#2 gal had how many closed planets ? how many had the #1 gal ?
how many times was from BOTH gals the exile bug used ?
how many times did each gal swap startplanets for new players ? Grim/Stals ?
how many fights were there between mates for "better targets" or how many "my alliance will hit your gal" stuff ?

I know atleast some of the answers so i can fairly say my judgement is correct for r10, any other number ?

BoredOfThis · 23 Apr 2004, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Leshy

some crap

When did the forums rules get so lax that even you started talking crap?

Must be the MISTU merry band of nublars influencing you.

Ace · 23 Apr 2004, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Razorback

hehe r10 kilroy vs arfa
#2 gal had how many closed planets ? how many had the #1 gal ?
how many times was from BOTH gals the exile bug used ?
how many times did each gal swap startplanets for new players ? Grim/Stals ?
how many fights were there between mates for "better targets" or how many "my alliance will hit your gal" stuff ?

I know atleast some of the answers so i can fairly say my judgement is correct for r10, any other number ?

Well getting messages from Jurgen saying X number of members of #1 gal MUST move to Dragons or else was fun

All i can say is, I lost a lot of sleep that round.........

Razorback · 23 Apr 2004, 21:50

so do you agree with me on the ALWAYS now ? or any other examples :P

Leshy · 23 Apr 2004, 22:05

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Originally Posted by BoredOfThis

When did the forums rules get so lax that even you started talking crap?

I might take this statement seriously if it came from anyone but you, Dreadykins.

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Originally Posted by Phil^

it`d be very nice if people actually reported them instead of pretending they`re going to.

I gave the first guy a chance considering his closure would hurt a mate's galaxy.

I've reported the current ones, although I doubt they'll be deleted.

Razorback · 23 Apr 2004, 22:06

^^ sad but true :/

Forest · 23 Apr 2004, 22:10

I reported a cheat, and now im being snet suspect files over irc from said guy.

Ace · 23 Apr 2004, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Phil^

it`d be very nice if people actually reported them instead of pretending they`re going to.
theres no sense in harbouring cheaters

You know I did

BoredOfThis · 23 Apr 2004, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Ace

You know I did

I dont like your posts they bore me, add more stuff to them such as truthes etc.

Ace · 23 Apr 2004, 22:39

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Originally Posted by BoredOfThis

I dont like your posts they bore me, add more stuff to them such as truthes etc.

I don't realy care if my posts bore you.
the answer was short and the truth, I reported a suspected cheater.

The_Fish · 23 Apr 2004, 22:50

[edit]hey now.. be nice :\ -Aryn[/edit]

Is that a nicer post for you?

Phil^ · 23 Apr 2004, 22:57

oh grow up

The_Fish · 23 Apr 2004, 23:04

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Originally Posted by Razorback

will be hard to prove, since irc logs dont count and vsn are hostile towards phraktos and are officially at war.
Not the first time accidents happen or ppl who exploited the rules got away.

so is this VGN or VsN?

Gerbie · 23 Apr 2004, 23:20

The first one is without alliance i think, but there's a VGN following as well. I think it's simply a fact of trying to get easy roids in stead of it being actually authorized it. Even if Phraktos did, it wouldn't be farming unless Grimm agreed himself.

Phil^ · 23 Apr 2004, 23:54

like gerbie said, hard ( if not impossible ) to prove grim actually agreed it :/ as all grim would say is " why of course i didnt" ,and there`d be no way to prove he did

Razorback · 24 Apr 2004, 00:26

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Originally Posted by Razorback

will be hard to prove, since irc logs dont count and vsn are hostile towards phraktos and are officially at war.
Not the first time accidents happen or ppl who exploited the rules got away.

cbk100 · 24 Apr 2004, 00:29

I was the one who ordered that retall aggainst 38:4:3 so if anyone got a problem with those VGN planets then blame ME... if anyone think I/we/they farmed then blame ME instead of ppl how had no say in the matter... All of you know how to contact PA HQ, so basicly just go ahead and do it!!!

There is no more to say in that matter... if you got a problem with my actions then report it...

cbk

Leshy · 24 Apr 2004, 01:08

cbk - if you're going to make claims of it being a retal, then don't do it when News Scans show your galaxy launching first.

lokken · 24 Apr 2004, 01:19

deletion wars were fun in r7 and they'll still be fun now

go for it

Lord_Thunderball · 24 Apr 2004, 01:48

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Originally Posted by Ace

hehe ok r10

Exile bug was nuff... But I do know your gal fight damn hard for it!

Jackal2112 · 24 Apr 2004, 01:58

reported it but nothing done about it.. whats new......... pussy ass multihunters

xtothez · 24 Apr 2004, 02:18

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Originally Posted by Phil^

it`d be very nice if people actually reported them instead of pretending they`re going to.
theres no sense in harbouring cheaters

Would be nice if the hunters actually closed people instead of just pretending to enforce the rules. You realise that TehPropheT actually deleted his own multi planets himself when he was hounded out of the game by the players, rather then when we gave you all the evidence you failed to act on? Did you notice the way so many of us were keen to kill TouRiQueT, after your staff didn't bother to close him on such strong evidence? Why are we doing your jobs?

Forest · 24 Apr 2004, 04:09

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Originally Posted by xtothez

Would be nice if the hunters actually closed people instead of just pretending to enforce the rules. You realise that TehPropheT actually deleted his own multi planets himself when he was hounded out of the game by the players, rather then when we gave you all the evidence you failed to act on?

You are fukll of shit on this one mate.

PAteam were about to close TehProphet, but he managed to delete his planet first.
I know this to be a 100% fact, as I was in discussions with pateam the whole time, and so is not in any doubt and certaonly not up for discussion.

Tomkat · 24 Apr 2004, 04:20

Focht is right about the top gals/planets.

There has always been a lot of "dodginess", and there always will be. To get to the top, you need to get more roids and score than other players. This means being incredibly lucky, or by grabbing them by any means necessary. Or there is, of course, the exile bug from r10. Anyone denying this opinion about abiguity in morals of the top players is either very naive, or doesn't understand how PA works.

cbk100 · 24 Apr 2004, 08:28

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Originally Posted by Leshy

cbk - if you're going to make claims of it being a retal, then don't do it when News Scans show your galaxy launching first.

When you have incomlete data then simply just shut up!!!

When you go here to forum and lie to the comunity then simply just shut up!!!

basicly just shut up!!!

I can prove that what I say is right... The thing is that its you who accuse me so its you who shall prove that what you say is right and you can only do that by either hacking my comp looking at my logs (which you wont have a chance to do) or you could go ask HQ (which you for sure haven't done either sincs what you say is wrong) so untill you have the info you need to open your mouth basicly just keep it shut!!! mk? good!!!

cbk

Jackal2112 · 24 Apr 2004, 08:33

its simple farming everyone knows that except the guys doing it.. how convenient

Barrow|Pony · 24 Apr 2004, 09:02

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Originally Posted by Forest

You are fukll of shit on this one mate.

PAteam were about to close TehProphet, but he managed to delete his planet first.
I know this to be a 100% fact, as I was in discussions with pateam the whole time, and so is not in any doubt and certaonly not up for discussion.

The mere fact that he had a chance to delete his planet points out the inadequacies with the system - regardless of the planetarion celebrities you like to say you were talking to.

cbk100 · 24 Apr 2004, 09:37

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Originally Posted by Jackal2112

its simple farming everyone knows that except the guys doing it.. how convenient

When is a murder a murder? when is stealing, stealing? when is a UFO a UFO?

Exacly... when its proved to be... so untill Lesly has proof of what is going on is farming, he has no right to accuse anyone for it...

I will agree that if anyone in my gal launched his/her fleet b4 Grim launched his fleet aggainst me then its farming and since Leshly knows for a fact that we did then he can ofc prove it and then its ofc farming...

The only thing is... he can't prove anything, but I can... its just not me who has to prove anything... at least not untill he has proved that we are farming...

So the next post here offending my gal I expect to be a post where I see some proofs and some argumentation, cause posts like yours Jackal include nothing but crap with no what so ever proof or rational thinking to back it up... It was at this level I argued when I went to 5th grade... isn't it about time we move on?

cbk

Jackal2112 · 24 Apr 2004, 09:52

cbk no way you can talk yourself out of this man. do you believe what ur sayin yourself?

cbk100 · 24 Apr 2004, 09:58

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Originally Posted by Jackal2112

cbk no way you can talk yourself out of this man. do you believe what ur sayin yourself?

Still at the 5th grade level... I see no proof of anything in your post so has nothing new to add to the conversation...

cbk

Gerbie · 24 Apr 2004, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Leshy

Where are the morals?

Just give us proof and it will get taken care of. Otherwise: shut up and be ashamed.

Leshy · 24 Apr 2004, 11:10

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Originally Posted by cbk100

basicly just shut up!!!

Are you by any chance a Black Eyed Peas fan

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I can prove that what I say is right...

No, you can't.

The simple facts are that Grim| upon quitting receives small fleets of 250 ships incoming from a friendly Phraktos planet. As soon as that planet is threatened to be reported for farming, it recalls.

Subsequently, after telling TouRiQuet that he knows of a way 2:1 will not win, he self-exiles. Conveniently, this puts him in a small newbie galaxy who are unlikely to watch galaxy status and report small incomings to the multihunters.

Then, 11:7, a Phraktos galaxy that is now near the top and is trying to win the game, decides that they need roids to do so, and that their former HC has 2100 available - although they realise that they'll have to be careful not to be reported for farming.

Fortunately, the galaxy contains two VGN members and a neutral planet, who all have no relations towards Phraktos, unlike the MISTU, FAnG and Phraktos members, which means that they can attack Grim| while making it look like they are simply hitting a hostile planet. Unfortunately, they are both smaller than Grim|, so they need some help. Selflessly, cbk launches on Grim| as well, and as soon as Grim| sends his fleet back at cbk as a "retal" (read suicide) the same tick, cbk sends two more fleets now that he has a good excuse to give PA Team ("He attacked me!"), and both him and the neutral planet land on Grim|, giving the galaxy over 1k new roids to play with and moving them into the #1 position.

The 4 tick delay in News Scans now shows that both VGN members recalled, where Grim| and the neutral landed for free roids. So apparently they didn't even get a reward for their assistance

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Originally Posted by cbk100

I will agree that if anyone in my gal launched his/her fleet b4 Grim launched his fleet aggainst me then its farming

http://jpaweb01.planetarion.com/show...n_id=345841112
http://jpaweb01.planetarion.com/show...n_id=698361753

Both News Scans, made in tick 825, show both you and two planets from your galaxy launching at Grim| before he launched at you.

Fredtje · 24 Apr 2004, 11:29

well grim sents away his entire fleet for 1700 vips. well if that aint farming i'm mickey mouse

cbk100 · 24 Apr 2004, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Leshy

Are you by any chance a Black Eyed Peas fan

No, you can't.

The simple facts are that Grim| upon quitting receives small fleets of 250 ships incoming from a friendly Phraktos planet. As soon as that planet is threatened to be reported for farming, it recalls.

Subsequently, after telling TouRiQuet that he knows of a way 2:1 will not win, he self-exiles. Conveniently, this puts him in a small newbie galaxy who are unlikely to watch galaxy status and report small incomings to the multihunters.

Then, 11:7, a Phraktos galaxy that is now near the top and is trying to win the game, decides that they need roids to do so, and that their former HC has 2100 available - although they realise that they'll have to be careful not to be reported for farming.

Fortunately, the galaxy contains two VGN members and a neutral planet, who all have no relations towards Phraktos, unlike the MISTU, FAnG and Phraktos members, which means that they can attack Grim| while making it look like they are simply hitting a hostile planet. Unfortunately, they are both smaller than Grim|, so they need some help. Selflessly, cbk launches on Grim| as well, and as soon as Grim| sends his fleet back at cbk as a "retal" (read suicide) the same tick, cbk sends two more fleets now that he has a good excuse to give PA Team ("He attacked me!"), and both him and the neutral planet land on Grim|, giving the galaxy over 1k new roids to play with and moving them into the #1 position.

The 4 tick delay in News Scans now shows that both VGN members recalled, where Grim| and the neutral landed for free roids. So apparently they didn't even get a reward for their assistance

http://jpaweb01.planetarion.com/show...n_id=345841112
http://jpaweb01.planetarion.com/show...n_id=698361753

Both News Scans, made in tick 825, show both you and two planets from your galaxy launching at Grim| before he launched at you.

Well if that is the best proof you got then try to contact PA HQ and ask them who retalled who...

let me just answer your question... I retalled grim and not the other way around...

and those news scans doesn't back you up but simply tells that I can be just as right as you can... so only PA HQ can prove it so just go to them and let them do it... don't you think there is a reason why they haven't closed me?

ohhh I forgot... you think its for fun that I get scanned almost every tick for incomings?? nahh I don't think that either... could I have seen Grim's incomings the tick he launched them at me? yeah the chances are fairly good since I get scanned rather often... so basicly your proof is worth nothing since it doesn't say who retalled who... Let PA HQ judge that, and I'm quite sure that they have allready. And ofc they have judged that I'm right.

cbk

General1 · 24 Apr 2004, 12:29

Oh leshy, u attacked a FANG gal 2day
irony isn't it

Gerbie · 24 Apr 2004, 12:33

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Originally Posted by cbk100

ohhh I forgot... you think its for fun that I get scanned almost every tick for incomings?? nahh I don't think that either... could I have seen Grim's incomings the tick he launched them at me? yeah the chances are fairly good since I get scanned rather often...

Wake your scanners up and give us the url plz.

Leshy · 24 Apr 2004, 13:02

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Originally Posted by General1

Oh leshy, u attacked a FANG gal 2day
irony isn't it

Considering there are 4 times as many ND planets in the galaxy as FAnG planets, I'd suggest calling it a NewDawn galaxy.

xtothez · 24 Apr 2004, 13:43

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Originally Posted by Forest

You are fukll of shit on this one mate.

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[02:37:17] <Phil^> anyways, thanks for the additional info
[02:37:27] <Phil^> im going to go round all the other multihunters grabbing their opinions on him
[02:37:37] <Phil^> if theres any furhter evidence agasint him i`ll probably close him though

That was over a week before he finally deleted himself. The PA crew did **** all to close himm despite the way his multi planet was originally his 'mate' and then became his 'brother' mid-questioning. So how exactly am I full of shit?

hydridia · 24 Apr 2004, 14:50

VGN from when i was a member were a proud and honest group i find it hard to believe that this would change.

now i tell you who were cheating swines. fury and eclipse led by their brutal muppet leader

razorback

evil man and man who started the craze of farming with his evil sidekick dread

both evil evil evil men