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Unread 14 Sep 2009, 18:25   #51
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

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What part of it doesn't make sense?
The fact i never quoted any members of my alliance nore did i actually mention any member of my alliance so im curious how i managed to be disloyal to them or remove trust between myself and my members (also i dont see myself as a HC we are all equal)

And CBA come on. Take a look at this:

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Thats of a j scan i did on you this morning. While the likes of x3 your top planet in vsn had around 2 defence fleets. Are you seriously trying to claim you didnt whore defence last nite as your a dc officer?
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

Assuming some of those eta5's are ingal defence fleets for later waves, that looks like perfectly reasonable defence to me.
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The fact i never quoted any members of my alliance nore did i actually mention any member of my alliance so im curious how i managed to be disloyal to them or remove trust between myself and my members (also i dont see myself as a HC we are all equal)

And CBA come on. Take a look at this:

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Thats of a j scan i did on you this morning. While the likes of x3 your top planet in vsn had around 2 defence fleets. Are you seriously trying to claim you didnt whore defence last nite as your a dc officer?
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Assuming some of those eta5's are ingal defence fleets for later waves, that looks like perfectly reasonable defence to me.
I did dc last night, but for the whole alliance, not just my galaxy. x3 waves were basically far to big. So he had to have some land, would on been inefficent to defend.

Just so you know, That isn't 10 waves of defence you fool.
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Unread 14 Sep 2009, 19:18   #54
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I did dc last night, but for the whole alliance, not just my galaxy. x3 waves were basically far to big. So he had to have some land, would on been inefficent to defend.

Just so you know, That isn't 10 waves of defence you fool.
That was a J scan done at 7am english time so of course as u saw there was a few defence waves not launched yet. Although compared to the rest of the gal u still managed to be covered quite well i thought.
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The fact i never quoted any members of my alliance nore did i actually mention any member of my alliance so im curious how i managed to be disloyal to them or remove trust between myself and my members
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Well from what my own members keep telling me via statements such as this:

<+Hiall> mPulse, they've been attacking togther for like a week.. so i assume there napped
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Im so glad Hiall is there to fill me and my members in on what we are apparently doing.
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Maybe Hiall could fill me in
Maybe I've completely misunderstood, but I got the impression Hiall was one of your members?
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Maybe I've completely misunderstood, but I got the impression Hiall was one of your members?
Then consider this missunderstanding cleared up. No he isnt.
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

Let me get this straight. P3nguins strategy to win the round is to bicker with VisioN? Apprime then gets themself a 10 million score lead

Same old Assassin.., losses sight of the big picture, getting involved in disputes that are meaningless for #1 spot. For all the good players in VisioN, too many have a RL to win the round. I would suggest you look at Apprime if you wish to win the round.

Now if I know AndroX, Bazza, Red & CBA.., I am sure the incs wont have gone unnoticed. Which is bad for you because they are stubborn
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Now if I know AndroX, Bazza, Red & CBA.., I am sure the incs wont have gone unnoticed. Which is bad for you because they are stubborn
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Let me get this straight. P3nguins strategy to win the round is to bicker with VisioN? Apprime then gets themself a 10 million score lead

Same old Assassin.., losses sight of the big picture, getting involved in disputes that are meaningless for #1 spot. For all the good players in VisioN, too many have a RL to win the round. I would suggest you look at Apprime if you wish to win the round.

Now if I know AndroX, Bazza, Red & CBA.., I am sure the incs wont have gone unnoticed. Which is bad for you because they are stubborn
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Let me get this straight. P3nguins strategy to win the round is to bicker with VisioN? Apprime then gets themself a 10 million score lead
Sounds better than Visions...
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Apprime lead now stands at 10 million....how much longer are you people going to sit with your thumbs up your ass and let them run away with it?
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Let me get this straight. P3nguins strategy to win the round is to bicker with VisioN?
And worse even than that, they do so in a thread titled "Ascendancy v Apprime".

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TBH, Vision had it coming.
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Let me get this straight. P3nguins strategy to win the round is to bicker with VisioN? Apprime then gets themself a 10 million score lead

Same old Assassin.., losses sight of the big picture, getting involved in disputes that are meaningless for #1 spot. For all the good players in VisioN, too many have a RL to win the round. I would suggest you look at Apprime if you wish to win the round.

Now if I know AndroX, Bazza, Red & CBA.., I am sure the incs wont have gone unnoticed. Which is bad for you because they are stubborn
And same old Gary, making posts when your neither playing or even on irc

We retalled Vision fully becuase they did a TA on our fatest gal roid wise. Ie we didnt start the petty dispute other then hitting 2-3 gals a nite, 1 happening to be a vision one. Plus as me and Androx discussed it didnt help having CBA troll my pm making us change our targets to vsns gal. We have anyway since then spoke and sorted our differences. Just hope that CBA learns while hes actually got power within an alliance to not try and cause a problem, then complain after it.
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Apprime lead now stands at 10 million....how much longer are you people going to sit with your thumbs up your ass and let them run away with it?
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sadly i am not in a position of power within an alliance this round where i can dictate the political direction, i would attack them myself if i thought i was capable of beating apprime 70 vs 1
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i would attack them myself if i thought i was capable of beating apprime 70 vs 1
Sadly I think this is the same problem with the alliances. Only they don't think they can beat Apprime 70 vs 70. So they just accept there's nothing they can do, like you have. If anyone showed just a little bit of initiative...
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sadly i am not in a position of power within an alliance this round where i can dictate the political direction, i would attack them myself if i thought i was capable of beating apprime 70 vs 1
Then speak to your HC about attacking them or join an alliance that is willing to take the fight to apprime
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And same old Gary, making posts when your neither playing or even on irc

We retalled Vision fully becuase they did a TA on our fatest gal roid wise. Ie we didnt start the petty dispute other then hitting 2-3 gals a nite, 1 happening to be a vision one. Plus as me and Androx discussed it didnt help having CBA troll my pm making us change our targets to vsns gal. We have anyway since then spoke and sorted our differences. Just hope that CBA learns while hes actually got power within an alliance to not try and cause a problem, then complain after it.
Assassin dont come here bragging that you and Androx have done this and done that, stating how I didn't exactly help things, when you managed to convince both Santa and Drox that it was completely my fault!!! Which is hilarious as on boards you dont say that anyway. Also if I ve got power within my alliance then if I were you I d watch what I m saying on here, incase it comes back to shot me in the foot. wink wink.
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Assassin dont come here bragging that you and Androx have done this and done that, stating how I didn't exactly help things, when you managed to convince both Santa and Drox that it was completely my fault!!! Which is hilarious as on boards you dont say that anyway. Also if I ve got power within my alliance then if I were you I d watch what I m saying on here, incase it comes back to shot me in the foot. wink wink.
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Then speak to your HC about attacking them or join an alliance that is willing to take the fight to apprime
and which alliance would you propose i join? as there are so many just queueing up to fight apprime I'm really spoilt for choice ¬_¬
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if I ve got power within my alliance then if I were you I d watch what I m saying on here, incase it comes back to shot me in the foot. wink wink.
Threats on the forums are so round 7 , now excuse me while i go bury the 2 puppies and 1 baby giraffe that your post killed
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How are people dense enough to give CBA power round after round?
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They need someone to take the blame for horrific failures.
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People are very dense, yes, that is true. However people are not dense enough to give you power in any rounds

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It is official, Apprime and Vision are blocked to target the neutral #6 alliance.
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

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It is official, Apprime and Vision are blocked to target the neutral #6 alliance.
Damn, he's on to us...
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

OH GOD RUN! APPRIME IS COMING TO RAPE YOUR HOUSES AND BURN YOUR CHILRENS!!! OMG OMG OMG!

Get a grip, you all sound like a bitching class of teenagers.
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

Soooo. When is the war starting? Or are you guys going to roid race it?
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It is official, Apprime and Vision are blocked to target the neutral #6 alliance.
Oh sweet ****in jesus it's a war game nobody is neutral
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

Being "neutral' doesn't grant immunity. It buys you time at best.

Apprime is playing its hand quite well I'd say.
The paradox is that never Asc has been in such a high position at this stage of a round they've won. Sounds good but it's bad., coz it's from the #2 that should come the signal to fight the #1, and Asc has always been used to play a waiting game. Well nobody else is going to do the first move, it's up to them.
Things were quietly balanced so far, with neither App nor Asc wanting to disrupt the status quo. If App is indeed allied (can't use "block' for only 2 alliances) to Vision it is a smart move, coz it can give them an edge (the same gals hit over and over are starting to bring too little reward) without looking threatening to the balance of power. Still it calls for an equal move from the other side.
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

If Vsn is indeed allied with App, then it's a great move for Apprime. Horrible one for Vsn though, it's the same mistake we've seen CT and ND repeat round after round.
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If App is indeed allied (can't use "block' for only 2 alliances) to Vision it is a smart move, coz it can give them an edge (the same gals hit over and over are starting to bring too little reward) without looking threatening to the balance of power. Still it calls for an equal move from the other side.
Considering one of cardinals pets is part of Vision HC, the rumors about cooperation with Apprime sound pretty much believable.
While Apprime vs Ascendancy would most likely have been a pretty even fight, App allying VsN would change this balance quite a bit imo. Wonder what will happen next.
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Considering one of cardinals pets is part of Vision HC, the rumors about cooperation with Apprime sound pretty much believable.
While Apprime vs Ascendancy would most likely have been a pretty even fight, App allying VsN would change this balance quite a bit imo. Wonder what will happen next.
I'm sure the political geniuses at Ascendancy will think of something.
Less talky, more fighty!
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Less talky, more fighty!
Fighty relys on talky imo.

ppl need to be talked into wars by the alliances that might benefit, because most dont see that being at war brings them any help at all. The choice of Apprime and Ascendancy is like the choice of the devil and the deep blue sea for most.
Most allies feel they benefit most from sitting on the sidelines of a war and getting fat. Aiming for no.1 isnt realistic from most allies point of view, even for those who have a theoretical chance at it, VsN allying with app is essentially an abdication of any desire to win, and demonstrates this tendency.
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Most smaller allies want a war to happen as the top ppl will lowbie bash less.
And ppl also know intuitively that they have to block because if one side trashes the other and ends up with an impressive victory the hegemony from that point on is exceedingly frustrating to the other allies.
So talky persuades those whose interests in war are unclear into joining.

This is particularly true this round as both Asc and App have been cautious of the other and neither seems to want to move without political advantage - thus talky is everything.
Tho I doubt much talky is/was needed to persuade VsN which way to go.
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If Vsn is indeed allied with App, then it's a great move for Apprime. Horrible one for Vsn though, it's the same mistake we've seen CT and ND repeat round after round.
If you have a loyal membership that are happy to do what the HC tell them, and you haven't got ambitions of winning, then I really don't see how any kind of friendly relationship with another alliance can hurt.

Indeed, I suspect it could provide much needed spice in an otherwise dour round for alliances like Vsn.
Having said that, if Vsn do really think they have a chance to win this round, they could be playing a dangerous game if they are working with App.

I think most of the mistakes I can recall ND making when working with other alliances came about when they thought they could win.
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Just to clarify your gossip: VisioN aint allied with Apprime!
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Just to clarify your gossip: VisioN aint allied with Apprime!
dosent really change things, when it comes to it everyone knows which way you will go.
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

can I pnap asc if we ally apprime?
that will reduce the retarded incs I get from stuhlman every night ( ally with appr ) and would reduce incs I get from random asc people every night! I am more than happy to just roid nubs <3
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sigh, what a boring reply.
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Sorry Wishy!
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I'm sure the political geniuses at Ascendancy will think of something.
Less talky, more fighty!
I like to think we let other alliances make the decisions for us.
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So.. am I getting incs tonight or what?
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We are in Dragons meeting and we thought JBG has no life except posting on forums and flaming everything that doesn't go his way?

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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

is the war kicking off tonight? I see we are hitting some asc gal, apparantly not alone... anyone wanna update a poor peon?

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is the war kicking off tonight? I see we are hitting some asc gal, apparantly not alone... anyone wanna update a poor peon?
Vision / DLR hitting an Asc galaxy together.

Apprime hitting some neutral galaxy I think.
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Re: Ascendancy v Apprime

That sounds like good strategy on apprimes' part (if it is a strategy at all) to get others locked into the war they themselves need to do but dont want to.
Certainly from an Ascendancy perspective Vision has been as hostile, if not more so, than Apprime.
However I dont see us kicking off a war until Apprime is involved directly; anything else is a sideshow.
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