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Unread 12 Jan 2003, 20:35   #1
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Networking Windows

This is really simple and I should be able to fix it myself but I cant..

anyway the problem is that no matter what I try I cant get this network between 2 XP machines working. 1 is in my room with the NIC address set to 192.168.0.1 and the other is in another room with an IP address of 192.168.0.2. I can ping the other computer from this 1 easy enough but I cant ping this computer from the other 1, I have no idea why. I disabled all firewalls so its not that, I checked the connections and there fine (I wouldnt have been able to ping the other computer from this 1 anyway if it wasnt working) I even when so low as to try..the windows XP wizard! which 'suprisingly' didnt work. I wasnt able to see any computers when I had it networked in the past with xp and 98 so thats no problem, I just want the internet sharing working but till the network is set up that wont happen. The online tutorials for this suck also and just tell you to do things I've already tried. Anyway I'm guessing some of you know alot about networking so help plz!
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Unread 12 Jan 2003, 20:57   #2
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Chances are you have straight through and not crossover cable if you are doing it pc <> pc.
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its straight through but there connected to a hub (I had it working with 98 and XP before upgrading the comps), I actually know alot about networking which makes this really annoying.
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You sure you have disabled all firewalls?
I saw exactly the same behaviour after installing some anti-virus software - it had a built-in firewall that I had to disable.
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yes absolutly, my motherboard came with pc-cillin software which has a firewall which is disabled, the xp firewalls for all cards are also disabled and theres no other firewalls
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Have you tried to ping localhost(127.0.0.1) to check if there's problem with tcp/ip on your machine?
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Try setting it to auto and at least see if that works first.
If it does, then you're configuring something wrong.

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lol yes tried that too, tried setting both with auto, other 1 just with auto, this 1 just with auto. I tried the loopback IP it works. Any other suggestions then? It seems networking 2 xp comps has us all stumped
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If you just upgraded, then check and see if you have the IPX/SPX/NetBEUI protocols installed (they all install together). WinXP won't network without properly them (in my experience, anyway).
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mm ok I'll give it a try 1st thing in the morning..I dont see why installing other protocols would affect a tcp/ip network though
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well I dunno if installing those protocols did anything or not, but I hadnt checked My Network Places in a while and when I look there I could see a shared folder thats on my comp from the other 1. I still cant ping this 1 from it though or access the internet, I'd guess firewall but I'm 90% sure I've disabled all firewalls unless theres 1 running without my knowledge but I cant see any. Anything I can try?
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ok I finally found out what the problem was! it seems even though pc-cillen wasnt running its firewall was somehow still in effect (not even showing up in processes mind you) anyway basically it was cause of a firewall all along and now I feel a fool!
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If you just upgraded, then check and see if you have the IPX/SPX/NetBEUI protocols installed (they all install together). WinXP won't network without properly them (in my experience, anyway).
I've had exactly the opposite experience. On computers were it doesn't work, removing these protocols often makes it work. It might just be that when you add/remove protocols windows does some additional checking of the other protocols and fixes some common error or something, you never know how microsoft thinks "hmm, people will often reinstall protocols when things don't work, so we'll put the code to check for known bugs there!"
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ok I finally found out what the problem was! it seems even though pc-cillen wasnt running its firewall was somehow still in effect (not even showing up in processes mind you) anyway basically it was cause of a firewall all along and now I feel a fool!
Some firewalls insert themselves into the TCP/IP driver so that if you disable the firewall you can't use the network. This is for security.

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If you just upgraded, then check and see if you have the IPX/SPX/NetBEUI protocols installed (they all install together). WinXP won't network without properly them (in my experience, anyway).
Erm, just no.

IPX/SPX is a dated protocol that no-one bar Novell users and Red Alert players should have installed.

NetBEUI/NetBIOS is not installable as a standalone protocol under XP. Its only enabled over TCP/IP under advanced properties. (You can install it to be used over an NWLink protocol, but NWLink is jus M$'s implementation of IPX/SPX.. see previous point).
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Unread 15 Jan 2003, 00:20   #17
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Erm, just no.

IPX/SPX is a dated protocol that no-one bar Novell users and Red Alert players should have installed.

NetBEUI/NetBIOS is not installable as a standalone protocol under XP. Its only enabled over TCP/IP under advanced properties. (You can install it to be used over an NWLink protocol, but NWLink is jus M$'s implementation of IPX/SPX.. see previous point).
So maybe it's not the protocols that are needed, but it's still true that the network with my WinXP machines started working properly after I installed that bunch of protocols (which are NWLink protocols, now that I look at them). I don't know why it worked (it could easily be something like W posted), but it's what worked for me and could help another person with the same problems.
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