Planetarion Forums - Iraqi's Murder POW's, Show on TV

Kurashima · 23 Mar 2003, 20:59

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Originally posted by Judge
Hope you like the new Sig Kura?

I see now why Belgarath resigned. That said , i have an infinite amount of patience.

Umbrall · 23 Mar 2003, 21:00

While I sympathize with the servicemen and their families...considering what a hideous monster everyone agrees that Hussein is...

Wow, he has shown pictures of fallen soldiers and POWs on TV! Ratchet it up a few notches!

What kind of Disney war were you expecting?

Nusselt · 23 Mar 2003, 21:05

this is going well so far then

Judge · 23 Mar 2003, 22:13

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Originally posted by Kurashima
I see now why Belgarath resigned. That said , i have an infinite amount of patience.

You will need it.

NEWSBOT3 · 23 Mar 2003, 22:22

from
www.sky.com/skynews

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US military officials have confirmed 12 American soldiers are missing after Iraqi TV broadcast images of dead troops and prisoners.

Pentagon sources said the dead soldiers appeared to have been executed.

Caesar2 · 23 Mar 2003, 22:23

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Originally posted by M_Drudge

The US will NOT violate Geneva Convention guidelines

highway of death

JonnyBGood · 23 Mar 2003, 22:36

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Originally posted by Judge
Hope you like the new Sig Kura?

Never have I been so thankful for the 10 line sig limit. Can we now use this excellent opportunity to ban him forever?

Anaximander · 23 Mar 2003, 22:43

The keyword in this quote is "appeared". It is the same as the "supposed" Scuds, that had been launched from Iraq.

Though I think an execution is not unlikely. But hey, Sadam is a mad dictator with a known history of human rights violation. Everybody knew that for years. This is not Walt Disney but war and since the CIA tried to assassinate him, he won't give a damn about the consequences. He wouldn't make to Den Haag anyway.

Judge · 23 Mar 2003, 22:59

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Originally posted by JonnyBGood
Never have I been so thankful for the 10 line sig limit. Can we now use this excellent opportunity to ban him forever?

Not quite 10 lines, but then you never could count past 2.

JonnyBGood · 23 Mar 2003, 23:09

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Originally posted by Judge
Not quite 10 lines, but then you never could count past 2.

Emperorn · 23 Mar 2003, 23:10

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Originally posted by Judge
Not quite 10 lines, but then you never could count past 2.

We are not talking theatrical lines here, Einstein.

It's more like 15

JonnyBGood · 23 Mar 2003, 23:11

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Originally posted by Emperorn
We are not talking theatrical lines here, Einstein.

It's more like 15

Judge · 24 Mar 2003, 00:19

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Originally posted by Emperorn
We are not talking theatrical lines here, Einstein.

It's more like 15

It is nice for my genius to be acknowledged, but not even the Great, Beneficent, Good Looking, Charming and Humble Judge, compares himself with Einstein.

Kurashima · 24 Mar 2003, 00:48

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Originally posted by Judge
It is nice for my genius to be acknowledged, but not even the Great, Beneficent, Good Looking, Charming and Humble Judge, compares himself with Einstein.

And neither do you.

M_Drudge · 24 Mar 2003, 01:07

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Originally posted by Nusselt
this is going well so far then

Ummm, ok, so, "...many are struggling to find food, water and medicine when they leave their mud huts and wander along highways through coalition checkpoints."

What, did they expect the US soldiers to give them 40 acres, a mule, and a new Lincoln Navigator?

IT'S BEEN 4 DAYS! If anyone actually thinks the US can eradicated in 4 days what Saddam Hussein has taken over 30 years to create are full of crap and deserve to stay in their mud huts.

Reuters is absolutely the worst organisation reporting on this conflict, hands down.

acropolis · 24 Mar 2003, 01:08

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Originally posted by Dante Hicks
Someone at Reuters has a sense of humour :

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"That's a violation of the Geneva Convention, those pictures you showed," he said of the international law on treatment of prisoners of war, which he said prohibits the photographing or interrogation by media of those captured in battle.

Pictures of Iraqi soldiers surrendering to U.S.-led forces in that last few days have been features prominently on U.S. television and in newspapers.
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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2432158

that's kinda what i was wondering. maybe iraqis don't count as real people.

but i don't get why the iraqis don't just torture the hell out of the prisoners. what are we gonna do, invade them? overthrow their government? i'm sure they are really worried about what the UN thinks while they are getting blown to pieces.

Dante Hicks · 24 Mar 2003, 01:11

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Originally posted by acropolis
but i don't get why the iraqis don't just torture the hell out of the prisoners.

It could be that individuals fear for their lives after their side has lost.

But it also could be (and call me crazy here) that they might not actually be as evil as the Daleks. Maybe...

M_Drudge · 24 Mar 2003, 01:14

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Originally posted by Caesar2
highway of death

You shouldn't just post links without investigating. This action was fully justified, as the "fleeing troops" were firing as the retreated. It is a common tactic during battle calle a "rearguard" action to try and cover a retreat to save a portion of your combat power to fight another day. The US was having none of that, and proceeded to destroy everything on that highway.

As all of you like to say here "Hey, it's just war". Nothing in that action was in direct contravention to the Geneva Convention or the Law of Land Warfare. Suggest you take a gander at those documents.

None of those forces were surrendering.

IMO, US forces should now choose to not "see" any white flags and breakout the blade tanks.

You want to accuse the US of atrocities? It's going to happen no matter what we do or say, may as well do it, right?

acropolis · 24 Mar 2003, 01:14

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Originally posted by Dante Hicks
It could be that individuals fear for their lives after their side has lost.

But it also could be (and call me crazy here) that they might not actually be as evil as the Daleks. Maybe...

i'd think it would be pretty easy to torture them without anyone knowing (beside saddam) who was involved.

and them not being evil is clearly a logical contradiction upon the original premise that iraq is evil ("axis of evil" etc.).

IndiaSour · 24 Mar 2003, 01:17

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
You shouldn't just post links without investigating. This action was fully justified, as the "fleeing troops" were firing as the retreated. It is a common tactic during battle calle a "rearguard" action to try and cover a retreat to save a portion of your combat power to fight another day. The US was having none of that, and proceeded to destroy everything on that highway.

As all of you like to say here "Hey, it's just war". Nothing in that action was in direct contravention to the Geneva Convention or the Law of Land Warfare. Suggest you take a gander at those documents.

None of those forces were surrendering.

IMO, US forces should now choose to not "see" any white flags and breakout the blade tanks.

You want to accuse the US of atrocities? It's going to happen no matter what we do or say, may as well do it, right?

\

Then you have no proof that your not "evil".

Its best to try and do the right thing as often as possible... but then again who says what is right and what is wrong?

Knight Theamion · 24 Mar 2003, 01:28

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
This is it. This is where the war is no longer a job for soldiers, and it becomes personal.

The US will NOT violate Geneva Convention guidelines, however there IS something called "ratcheting things up a notch or two".

With Iraq's treatment of the POW's and the subsequent posing of their mutilated dead bodies for display (on that bulwart of upstanding reporting, al Jazeera (sp?), in embarrassing positions, their standing in the eyes of the peaceful anti-war community must now be elevated to that of God-like Creatures of Islam.

I will say again, the real face of Saddam Husseign, his regime, and the UNcivilized of the Iraqi population will now be seen.

I am now awaiting the outcry of Human Rights activists here who have been rallying against the US' treatment of al Queda suspects in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, what with those awful 3 square meals of Islamic-adherent food a day, and to actually be ALLOWED to keep breathing.

IF there is no outcry against the Iraqi's for their treatment of POW's, then every single person/administration/country who has lobbied against the US with accusations and the like will lose ALL credibility with common-sense-possessing humans of all stripes.

It is all coming to fruition now. The Iraqi's will go down even harder now. The US only wanted a regime change, but those who had power under Saddam KNOW their lives are about to end. If they want to play the end-game, so be it.

Witness. There is no confirmation that they executed them on tv. They were captured in the battlefield and wounded. Sputnik saw the tape and said no one was shot on tv.

Anaximander · 24 Mar 2003, 01:43

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
You shouldn't just post links without investigating. This action was fully justified, as the "fleeing troops" were firing as the retreated. It is a common tactic during battle calle a "rearguard" action to try and cover a retreat to save a portion of your combat power to fight another day. The US was having none of that, and proceeded to destroy everything on that highway.

As all of you like to say here "Hey, it's just war". Nothing in that action was in direct contravention to the Geneva Convention or the Law of Land Warfare. Suggest you take a gander at those documents.

None of those forces were surrendering.

IMO, US forces should now choose to not "see" any white flags and breakout the blade tanks.

You want to accuse the US of atrocities? It's going to happen no matter what we do or say, may as well do it, right?

Never let truth interfere with your opinion. There is only black and white. Only us surounded by the evil, and the government is always right. Sure.

Dante Hicks · 24 Mar 2003, 01:48

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
As all of you like to say here "Hey, it's just war".

Sorry, who likes to say that?

Nodrog · 24 Mar 2003, 01:58

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Originally posted by Kurashima

Youre the ultimate example on the boards of Devils Advocate. Youll argue any point for any reason solely to be seen to score points , even when what youre saying and doing it absoloutely wrong. Its like Nod , but without ever providing any evidence to back up your points.

Links to some posts where I defend things that I know are absolutely wrong?

Kurashima · 24 Mar 2003, 02:03

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Originally posted by Nodrog
Links to some posts where I defend things that I know are absolutely wrong?

You play Devils Advocate on multiple issues when it suits you Nod.

The only difference is you will , on occasion , provide sources to back your point, and not rely on "Well im Gordon Ross , i OWN these boards , thats why you should believe me".

(and its 1am. I cannot be arsed going through your posts. Most of them are ****e).

Dante Hicks · 24 Mar 2003, 02:22

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Originally posted by Nodrog
Links to some posts where I defend things that I know are absolutely wrong?

Being controversial makes you wrong boyo.

(p.s. I'm sure it might help if we divide up posts into cultural and political or something. There's plenty of times when I might advocate Avril Lavigne as being the worlds best rockstar without strictly meaning it. But I wouldn't say the same of any posts with a political slant, for ex)

W · 24 Mar 2003, 03:59

Nodrog doesn't play devils advocate. He has that special naiveté that enables him to believe whatever it is he is arguing, and believe the exact opposite 5 minutes later, arguing that just as honestly.

Monkehpimp · 24 Mar 2003, 05:08

War is all bull**** propaganda. If you believe anything you see on CNN/BBC and the like, then you are most likely believing lies. Since Vietnam, the American army has posted strict restrictions and censoring on what is revealed in the conflict.

The same can be said for Iraqi TV.

oh and dubya is officially a war criminal.

Might explain why the US didn't join?

IndiaSour · 24 Mar 2003, 06:45

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Originally posted by Monkehpimp
War is all bull**** propaganda. If you believe anything you see on CNN/BBC and the like, then you are most likely believing lies. Since Vietnam, the American army has posted strict restrictions and censoring on what is revealed in the conflict.

The same can be said for Iraqi TV.

oh and dubya is officially a war criminal.

Might explain why the US didn't join?

Join what?

Caesar2 · 24 Mar 2003, 07:14

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
You shouldn't just post links without investigating. This action was fully justified, as the "fleeing troops" were firing as the retreated. It is a common tactic during battle calle a "rearguard" action to try and cover a retreat to save a portion of your combat power to fight another day. The US was having none of that, and proceeded to destroy everything on that highway.

As all of you like to say here "Hey, it's just war". Nothing in that action was in direct contravention to the Geneva Convention or the Law of Land Warfare. Suggest you take a gander at those documents.

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The Iraqi troops were not being driven out of Kuwait by U.S. troops as the Bush administration maintains. They were not retreating in order to regroup and fight again. In fact, they were withdrawing, they were going home, responding to orders issued by Baghdad, announcing that it was complying with Resolution 660 and leaving Kuwait. At 5:35 p.m. (Eastern standard Time) Baghdad radio announced that Iraq's Foreign Minister had accepted the Soviet cease-fire proposal and had issued the order for all Iraqi troops to withdraw to postions held before August 2, 1990 in compliance with UN Resolution 660

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Originally posted by M_Drudge

None of those forces were surrendering.

IMO, US forces should now choose to not "see" any white flags and breakout the blade tanks.

You want to accuse the US of atrocities? It's going to happen no matter what we do or say, may as well do it, right?

two wrongs dont make a right

M_Drudge · 24 Mar 2003, 07:20

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Originally posted by Anaximander
Never let truth interfere with your opinion. There is only black and white. Only us surounded by the evil, and the government is always right. Sure.

I have a ribbon I wear when in dress uniform that says I was there, so my opinion puts yours to shame.

M_Drudge · 24 Mar 2003, 07:21

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Originally posted by Caesar2
two wrongs dont make a right

In this case it was not wrong. I'm glad US forces wiped that armored column from the face of the earth. It means alot less to face now.

Caesar2 · 24 Mar 2003, 07:25

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
In this case it was not wrong. I'm glad US forces wiped that armored column from the face of the earth. It means alot less to face now.

it was wrong, there were also civilians on that road.

Raging.Retard · 24 Mar 2003, 07:31

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
The US will NOT violate Geneva Convention guidelines

Comedy

That one actually made me laugh.

Umbrall · 24 Mar 2003, 08:33

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Originally posted by acropolis

but i don't get why the iraqis don't just torture the hell out of the prisoners. what are we gonna do, invade them? overthrow their government? i'm sure they are really worried about what the UN thinks while they are getting blown to pieces.

By bypassing the UN, the USA have managed to impart a bit of "good guy" factor to Iraq, in the minds of many. So-called minds, anyway.
Playing the role of the "innocent victim" gets Iraq more sympthy from the mass-media, demonstrators, etc. We'll see how long it lasts.

Judge · 24 Mar 2003, 08:41

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Originally posted by Kurashima
And neither do you.

Yes indeed, I said it first.

Ste · 24 Mar 2003, 11:42

Just to add to the atrocities:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0...894708,00.html
It's not very nice

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In 1991 American voters rallied behind President George Bush Sr for the seemingly bloodless confrontation with Saddam Hussein. Neatly hidden from a small army of journalists was the reality of war - a reality that can make these very same voters recoil in disapproval.

His son is likely to use the same sort of tactics to blind one of the world's freest and most influential media establishments. Running the show for President George Bush is the man who manipulated global perceptions of the first Gulf war for Bush Sr: Dick Cheney. Then defence secretary and now vice-president, Cheney is likely to buffalo the New York Times, the Associated Press, CNN and others ready to bend to US government censorship.

Don't believe everything the media tells you. Although I guess you already knew that.

And on the topic - No evidence that Iraq 'murdered' the POW's. In fact they have done no worse than the Americans have done so far.
There was a very interesting speech by the Iraqi Defense secretary this morning accusing the US/UK troops of double standards regarding the Geneva convention, just look at Israel and how many human rights they've suppressed.

I'm sorry but I just don't buy this accusation of the Iraqi's.

Kumnaa · 24 Mar 2003, 14:49

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
This is it. This is where the war is no longer a job for soldiers, and it becomes personal.

The US will NOT violate Geneva Convention guidelines, however there IS something called "ratcheting things up a notch or two".

With Iraq's treatment of the POW's and the subsequent posing of their mutilated dead bodies for display (on that bulwart of upstanding reporting, al Jazeera (sp?), in embarrassing positions, their standing in the eyes of the peaceful anti-war community must now be elevated to that of God-like Creatures of Islam.

I will say again, the real face of Saddam Husseign, his regime, and the UNcivilized of the Iraqi population will now be seen.

I am now awaiting the outcry of Human Rights activists here who have been rallying against the US' treatment of al Queda suspects in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, what with those awful 3 square meals of Islamic-adherent food a day, and to actually be ALLOWED to keep breathing.

IF there is no outcry against the Iraqi's for their treatment of POW's, then every single person/administration/country who has lobbied against the US with accusations and the like will lose ALL credibility with common-sense-possessing humans of all stripes.

It is all coming to fruition now. The Iraqi's will go down even harder now. The US only wanted a regime change, but those who had power under Saddam KNOW their lives are about to end. If they want to play the end-game, so be it.

America being thre invading force im not at all surprised the Iraqis did this.

MT · 24 Mar 2003, 16:55

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Originally posted by Judge
If it is true, (and I have no reason to doubt it) the Iraqi's just made one hell_of_a mistake.

(havent read rest of the thread yet but ..)

OH NOES! THE AMERICANS MIGHT BOMB THEM WITH CRUISE MISSILES!!! oh, hang on a sec...

MT · 24 Mar 2003, 16:56

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Originally posted by Kumnaa
America being thre invading force im not at all surprised the Iraqis did this.

Hello my little one.

Anaximander · 24 Mar 2003, 18:02

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
I have a ribbon I wear when in dress uniform that says I was there, so my opinion puts yours to shame.

Ok. I will make me one too.

(this is internet Witness. You can be everyting you want. Besides there is a book called "Jarhead" from a guy, who was there too. You should perhaps read it.)

Judge · 24 Mar 2003, 18:42

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Originally posted by MT
(havent read rest of the thread yet but ..)

OH NOES! THE AMERICANS MIGHT BOMB THEM WITH CRUISE MISSILES!!! oh, hang on a sec...

You really take the meaning of the word idiot to a whole new level.

In case you havnt noticed, this was is being fought with a great degree of tact and care on the part of the allies.

They are not undertaking indiscriminate attacks on Civilians, Bombing is being limited to what are considered to be viable Military and Political targets. Very few Civilians have been injured of killed in relation to the amount of armaments that have been launched against or dropped on Iraq.

That could well change, IF the allies thought that they were fighting an entire population rather than a Military Dictatorship and his supporters.

You may well disagree with a lot of things but to infer indiscriminate attacks are taking place is ignorant of the facts.

24 Mar 2003, 18:45

Such acts are against the geneva convention, yet i belive the coalition has been doing the same, propoganda is a useful tool in war

JonnyBGood · 24 Mar 2003, 18:54

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Originally posted by War Advisor
Such acts are against the geneva convention, yet i belive the coalition has been doing the same, propoganda is a useful tool in war

Troll humour value +3 :)

M_Drudge · 24 Mar 2003, 21:58

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Originally posted by Anaximander
Ok. I will make me one too.

(this is internet Witness. You can be everyting you want. Besides there is a book called "Jarhead" from a guy, who was there too. You should perhaps read it.)

My name is M_Drudge, and you don't know anything. The Marines never got past Kuwait city.

Next time, just kick your own ass so I'm not bothered.

M_Drudge · 24 Mar 2003, 22:02

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Originally posted by Ste
Just to add to the atrocities:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0...894708,00.html
It's not very nice
Don't believe everything the media tells you. Although I guess you already knew that.

And on the topic - No evidence that Iraq 'murdered' the POW's. In fact they have done no worse than the Americans have done so far.
There was a very interesting speech by the Iraqi Defense secretary this morning accusing the US/UK troops of double standards regarding the Geneva convention, just look at Israel and how many human rights they've suppressed.

I'm sorry but I just don't buy this accusation of the Iraqi's.

Yeah, those Iraqi's sure are a humanitarian lot. Did you see them, carefully firing their AK-47's into the river banks while "searching" for rumored downed pilot(s). Oh, and using gas and matches to light the reeds on fire is definitely a kind turn.

The only TRULY cool thing about this is watching them come close to lighting their own ignorant asses on fire.

I guess the Iraqi's are such good shots in battle that 3 of the 5 soldiers killed when they took those POW's were shot, from a distance, in the forehead, directly between the eyes?

Yeah, they are a benevolent lot.

JonnyBGood · 24 Mar 2003, 22:08

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
Yeah, those Iraqi's sure are a humanitarian lot. Did you see them, carefully firing their AK-47's into the river banks while "searching" for rumored downed pilot(s). Oh, and using gas and matches to light the reeds on fire is definitely a kind turn.

The only TRULY cool thing about this is watching them come close to lighting their own ignorant asses on fire.

I guess the Iraqi's are such good shots in battle that 3 of the 5 soldiers killed when they took those POW's were shot, from a distance, in the forehead, directly between the eyes?

Yeah, they are a benevolent lot.

You are a ****ing faggot. You deserve to get banned for a) the ignorance b) the racism c) the nationalistic drivel and d) the hatred in that statement.

Fifth_teletubbie · 24 Mar 2003, 22:10

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Originally posted by Judge
You really take the meaning of the word idiot to a whole new level.

In case you havnt noticed, this was is being fought with a great degree of tact and care on the part of the allies.

They are not undertaking indiscriminate attacks on Civilians, Bombing is being limited to what are considered to be viable Military and Political targets. Very few Civilians have been injured of killed in relation to the amount of armaments that have been launched against or dropped on Iraq.

That could well change, IF the allies thought that they were fighting an entire population rather than a Military Dictatorship and his supporters.

You may well disagree with a lot of things but to infer indiscriminate attacks are taking place is ignorant of the facts.

errrr IF those americans were executed (which I do not believe from the evidence at hand), what exactly would be the justification in that to start bombing indiscriminately?

IF they were executed, they were executed by the regime, not the civilians, so nothing has changed has it? The regime already were evil remember?? That was the whole point wasnt it???

Vermillion · 24 Mar 2003, 22:12

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
Yeah, those Iraqi's sure are a humanitarian lot. Did you see them, carefully firing their AK-47's into the river banks while "searching" for rumored downed pilot(s). Oh, and using gas and matches to light the reeds on fire is definitely a kind turn.

The only TRULY cool thing about this is watching them come close to lighting their own ignorant asses on fire.

You sound like Rick.

If you have been on these forums a while, then you might understand the enormity of that insult.

JonnyBGood · 24 Mar 2003, 22:13

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Originally posted by Vermillion
You sound like Rick.

If you have been on these forums a while, then you might understand the enormity of that insult.

Hey that's my answer in (a mildly more) polite form!