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KoeN · 19 Jun 2004, 21:38

give me a rifle and a bullet.

and i''ll shoot the bastard through his fkin head. now.

LHC · 19 Jun 2004, 21:40

Unfair on the dutch, but a great game so I don't care.

MrL_JaKiri · 19 Jun 2004, 21:46

OK, so we have this lad Arjen Robben, who's terrorising the Czech defense, and Andy van der Meyde, who's getting in good positions but not doing much.

I know, lets take them BOTH off.

KoeN · 19 Jun 2004, 21:47

-after 20 mins 2-0, we finally play 4-3-3 with a proper leftwinger (robben) instead of van der vaart
- thanks to the referee we don't get 2 penalties first half. (should have won 1st half 5-1 or summet)
- then he bring -off all people- bosvelt. to "restore balance". we go back tot 4-4-2, a system that never worked for us.
- bosvelt doesn't cover nedved, nedved hits the bar.
- we're 100% on defence.

class, advocaat, class. i don't know any other coach we could **** things over like this.

ChubbyChecker · 19 Jun 2004, 21:54

35 shots on goal! What a game.

Ebany · 19 Jun 2004, 21:55

This thread needs a [football] tag. I thought it was about a dodgy form of alcohol that only comes out at christmas.

ChubbyChecker · 19 Jun 2004, 22:00

And van Nistelrooy needs to learn what being on side feels like. He might even like it if he gives it a chance.

SoS · 19 Jun 2004, 22:00

That ref wasn't very fair. Nistelrooy should have had a penalty in the first half, as he was clearly pulled down. I think he was gay for Nedved

MrL_JaKiri · 19 Jun 2004, 22:01

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Originally Posted by ChubbyChecker

And van Nistelrooy needs to learn what being on side feels like. He might even like it if he gives it a chance.

It's fairly standard for players to drift offside for much of the match, then run onside when there's an attack on.

Perhaps Henry should change for you as well?

Lupin · 19 Jun 2004, 22:27

best game in years!

though i thought advocaat would played a 3 - 4 - 3 system.

KoeN · 19 Jun 2004, 22:30

advocaat is a cowardish and above all clueless coach who doesn't like his team playing in their best line-up. 'don't use your strong points, make sure you eliminate the opponents strong points'.
that's the way he thinks.

SilverSmoke · 19 Jun 2004, 22:41

We are out. Tjech republic will play it's b-side in their last match against the Germans and Germany will work it's ****ing ass off to win, in which they will succeed.

KoeN · 20 Jun 2004, 01:16

no.

i just made a deal with a german;

they get makaay + kluiver, we get voller. /me saves the nation!

btw, this made me laugh:

<ladthe> hesky?
<mist|zZz> yeh
<ladthe> isnt that a dog?

Mushroom · 20 Jun 2004, 01:20

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Originally Posted by KoeN

<ladthe> hesky?
<mist|zZz> yeh
<ladthe> isnt that a dog?

Hahaha
As if someone doesn't know that heskey is a donkey

Saw half the match, saw terrible refereeing and coaching decisions,
That last Czech goal was well done though...

alch · 20 Jun 2004, 01:23

czek were good - they deserved to win.
advocaat just demonstrated how cowardice a team coach can be and for that they deserved to loose against a team which has the faith thru the whole game and didnt give up (having 2 goals at 21 minutes is harsh) and czek are fighter they will score until 90 minutes end no matter how many goals they have allready.

my favorite to win this EURO after France.

Knight Theamion · 20 Jun 2004, 01:25

advocaat needs to die

what a ****ing ****head

Hicks · 20 Jun 2004, 04:47

Nothing makes me happier than getting to laugh at Denniz

Hicks · 20 Jun 2004, 04:50

Actually thinking about there are a lot of things that make me happier but making fun of Denniz for Holland under achieving rocks

paolo · 20 Jun 2004, 10:20

Nedved could be shot also for diving and thus giving Heitinga a red card

Deffeh · 20 Jun 2004, 10:28

Outstanding game

Structural Integrity · 20 Jun 2004, 10:45

I saw the interview with Advocaat by Jack van Gelderen a few minutes after the match... Jack was pushing it a bit and Advocaat got really pissed and said something along the lines of "yeah OK, it's all my fault we lost, I take full blame now can we get on" in a rather aggitated tone.
Childish that man.

And what's up with that Bosveldt dude? I mean, he's all wrinkly and stuff! Why would you put someone like him in your team?

Colt · 20 Jun 2004, 11:42

hehe, i thought the players still had a job to do too, but obviously its all down to the manager

The players are the ones who go out there and perform, its not advocaats fault you didnt take your chances, although i do admit, he souldnt have taken off robben ;p

LHC · 20 Jun 2004, 11:53

The Czechs got their chalk when Advocaat took off Robben, so the Dutch didn't stand a chance.

MrL_JaKiri · 20 Jun 2004, 11:57

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Originally Posted by Colt

The players are the ones who go out there and perform, its not advocaats fault you didnt take your chances

The manager has ultimate responsibility over the results. You cannot ask any more of the players than to be playing well in their position, which they quite clearly were. However, when a result was formed so obviously by the results of the manager through the match (Robben off, go to a flat 4-4-2, etc) I can't see why the players should be blamed in this instance. Should we shout at Rooney for playing badly, if Sven decided to play him as a goalkeeper? Should we get angry at Totti et al because they're not attacking enough?

Leshy · 20 Jun 2004, 13:55

Advocaat must die.

Painfully and slowly. But within a week.

Colt · 20 Jun 2004, 14:06

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The manager has ultimate responsibility over the results. You cannot ask any more of the players than to be playing well in their position, which they quite clearly were. However, when a result was formed so obviously by the results of the manager through the match (Robben off, go to a flat 4-4-2, etc) I can't see why the players should be blamed in this instance. Should we shout at Rooney for playing badly, if Sven decided to play him as a goalkeeper? Should we get angry at Totti et al because they're not attacking enough?

yes, ok, because putting rooney in a position he isnt used to is the same as putting bosvelt in his normal position....from now on i think ill accept that every match that some1 loses is due to the manager

Blastoderm · 20 Jun 2004, 14:12

Two things:
Why have Advocaat in the first place and pay him more money than last time?

Why on earth is Bosvelt in the squad? Advocaat could have other* Dutch players instead of him.

*That I don't know of.

Leshy · 20 Jun 2004, 14:30

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Originally Posted by Blastoderm

Why have Advocaat in the first place and pay him more money than last time?

Dunno, ask the KNVB.

Quote:

Why on earth is Bosvelt in the squad? Advocaat could have other* Dutch players instead of him.

Bosvelt was brought in as replacement for Van Bommel, who couldn't go because of an injury. Frankly, I don't know who else could have gone - possibly De Jong, although he is young and inexperienced, so not a fully reliable factor.

Having Bosvelt in the selection is a tad useless, but not a drama. Putting him on the field for Robben is a cockup that proves Dick Advocaat has the sanity of Charles Manson on LSD.

Blastoderm · 20 Jun 2004, 14:32

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Originally Posted by Leshy

Having Bosvelt in the selection is a tad useless, but not a drama. Putting him on the field for Robben is a cockup that proves Dick Advocaat has the sanity of Charles Manson on LSD.

I guess it's like bringing Heskey on in England's first game.

Leshy · 20 Jun 2004, 14:35

Well, not entirely.

Bosvelt isn't completely crap, unlike Heskey. It's just that Advocaat took off our most threatening player, at the same time crippling our attack and causing chaos in the back as we suddenly switched from 4-3-3 to a 4-4-2-like setup. I won't even go into his other two substitutions.

Perfection · 20 Jun 2004, 14:43

In fairness to Advocaat I can understand his logic. The game was full of attack after attack and it was basically a toss of the coin who would score next. Trying to change it was understandable - although i dont agree with it and definitely not with his way of doing it (I was amazed when the comentator said robben was coming off)

But more importanly - why is that teams in this competition are taking to defending a 1 goal lead instead of pressing on when they are the better team at that point in the game (England v France, Italy v Sweden for examples other than this game)? Its stupid.

Leshy · 20 Jun 2004, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Perfection

In fairness to Advocaat I can understand his logic.

I don't.

As you said, the game was attack after attack - taking off your attacking force (v.d. Meyde came off after Robben as well) kind of turns it into a free for all for Czech Rep, which is exactly what happened.

And I fully agree - it's stupid and never works, yet trainers all around keep doing it.

vampire_lestat · 20 Jun 2004, 15:04

lol at the funneh names.

MrL_JaKiri · 20 Jun 2004, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Leshy

And I fully agree - it's stupid and never works, yet trainers all around keep doing it.

The thing is, it always very nearly works. It's a viable tactic, it just requires a bit of luck, and crippling yourself with 30 minutes to go is never a bright idea.

Deffeh · 20 Jun 2004, 20:07

To be honest.

He's bald, he's fat, he's gonna get the sack.

MrL_JaKiri · 20 Jun 2004, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Deffeh

To be honest.

He's bald, he's fat, he's gonna get the sack.

The dutch camp have excellent man management.

The paraphrased quote from one of their staff being 'Kluivert complains about being behind van Nistelrooy, and to this we say 'You should have played better at Barcelona''

Deffeh · 20 Jun 2004, 20:14

Honest, and i like it.

Also, as much as i dislike diving, Dutch fans dont have much to complain about Nedved when they are spearheaded by Ruud Van Penaltydive