Omfg Tof

[Heartless]

Dear High Commanders of the alliance called "Tides of Fire".

After seeing you so utterly deep "in the red" regarding your asteroids today, I researched a bit what happened in PA last night. It appeared that eXilition was happily roiding you today - after you hit eXilition yesterday. Now I am astonished. I am totally failing to see your strategy.

Why did you not join the anti-eXilition block when it was still possible to beat eXilition? I assumed you guys wanted to ride the fence, but it seems my assumptions prove wrong.

Why did you guys want to organize a block against eXilition about a week (or two) after this round was decided for eXi? Seriously, you should have known that at this point your alliance would get the full attention of eXilition (and their partners as well maybe, I don't know).

So, which of your strategical masterminds decided to **** your round up this much?

/Heartless

[Game^]

They got exactly what they deserved and what could be predicted for their standoffish approach.

Enjoy the rest of the round

/signs off

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Game^

They got exactly what they deserved and what could be predicted for their standoffish approach.

Enjoy the rest of the round

/signs off

ToF didnt have a standoffish approach until certain persons got involved.

[arc]

Originally Posted by Game^

They got exactly what they deserved and what could be predicted for their standoffish approach.

Enjoy the rest of the round

/signs off

what about your galaxy

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by arc

what about your galaxy

Arc FTW !!

Originally Posted by Gio2k

eX has nothing to do with this game going down. If all the alliances in this game had at least a fifth of the dedication eX shows every round they play, we would all have awesome rounds of fight after fight. Don't blame eX for being too good at PA, blame yourselves for being too shit at it.

Well said. eXilition have dedicated players. Most of the other alliance's quit after losing roids.

PS. I am not eXilition.

Originally Posted by Benneh

lols.

PS DONT GO TERRAN YOU GET ****ED

You think Terrans bad? Try Etd!

[Alki]

lols

[Benneh]

lols.

PS DONT GO TERRAN YOU GET ****ED

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by Benneh

lols.

PS DONT GO TERRAN YOU GET ****ED

TERRAAARGH?

[RuBBeR]

do we have a strategy \o/ ??

[Koks]

Tbh stranger things have happened this round

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Heartless

Dear High Commanders of the alliance called "Tides of Fire".

After seeing you so utterly deep "in the red" regarding your asteroids today, I researched a bit what happened in PA last night. It appeared that eXilition was happily roiding you today - after you hit eXilition yesterday. Now I am astonished. I am totally failing to see your strategy.

Why did you not join the anti-eXilition block when it was still possible to beat eXilition? I assumed you guys wanted to ride the fence, but it seems my assumptions prove wrong.

Why did you guys want to organize a block against eXilition about a week (or two) after this round was decided for eXi? Seriously, you should have known that at this point your alliance would get the full attention of eXilition (and their partners as well maybe, I don't know).

So, which of your strategical masterminds decided to **** your round up this much?

/Heartless

ToF DID agree to hit exilition in the anti-exi block. However, after Ministry decided to kick me and handle it themselves, a few lliances pulled out, with ToF being one of them.

[[DDK]gm]

I joined the channel but it became very clear there was no security when members knew about the attacks minutes after telling game.

At the time we were using two attack systems, ct and tofs bot, it made ptargeting difficult untill everyone signed up for the ct attack system.

Getting nightly threats from game didnt make us want to partcipate.

[Gio2k]

Originally Posted by [DDK]gm

I joined the channel but it became very clear there was no security when members knew about the attacks minutes after telling game.

Let me tell you a secret: It doesn't matter shit whether eX find out you are going to hit them or not. They have always had spies and always knew who was going to hit them.
Next time, make a public channel, and advertise on #planetarion that you are going to hit them. As long as you have the ****ing balls to do it, it doesn't make a difference whether they know about it or not.

[Game^]

Originally Posted by [DDK]gm

Getting nightly threats from game didnt make us want to partcipate.

Nightly threats that consisted of "Are you going to help us hit eXi?", and "eXi are alot further ahead than you think". Yeah i can see how they were deeply threatening to you.

Basically sums up how shite the PA 'community' is at helping themselves, oh well.

[Alki]

Originally Posted by Forest

ToF DID agree to hit exilition in the anti-exi block. However, after Ministry decided to kick me and handle it themselves, a few lliances pulled out, with ToF being one of them.

forest you honestly have to stop bigging yourself much more than what you actually do, its getting old

[Gio2k]

Any way you see it, it is quite stupid to target eX at this point in time. Who's so dumb as to start a war after all your possible allies have lost the will to fight. :P
Or maybe eX decided they wanted a small fight before the round is completely over.

[Forest]

Whose so dumb as to stop potential allies frmo working with you earlier in the round anyway?

[Gio2k]

Originally Posted by Forest

Whose so dumb as to stop potential allies frmo working with you earlier in the round anyway?

Now your logic is totally wrong. There are plenty of reasons not to join a huge block from the start. From any point of view, you want to keep your options open as to the outcome of the game. When Destiny joined the cooperation against eX, it was well possible to beat them, if it hadn't been for the disagreements between jenova and ministry and other stuff.

[Olympus]

I dont know about ToF's politics this round, and I dont care eighter.
But I think we have much more to laugh at, then you have.
At least we try to fight eXi. Who is sitting on the fence now?

Don't be a scared little chicken, and fight like we at least try.

[Heartless]

Originally Posted by Olympus

I dont know about ToF's politics this round, and I dont care eighter.
But I think we have much more to laugh at, then you have.
At least we try to fight eXi. Who is sitting on the fence now?

Don't be a scared little chicken, and fight like we at least try.

If you take a look at sandman's history for some of the alliances you might want help from now, then you might notice that those alliances already did fight eXilition this round. ToF is now doing too little much too late.
If you want to beat your opponent you must fight him from early on, not when they managed to get a comfortable lead.

[Olympus]

Still... fighting late is better then not fighting at all.
And I encourage all alliances that still want to see eXi not win a round, to stand up as well and fight.

Who cares that we lost shitloads of roids today?
That's not the point.

Again... better late then never.

[[DDK]gm]

Who gives a toss about what tof do, isnt the whole point that exi is destroying a failing game.

[Gio2k]

Originally Posted by Olympus

I dont know about ToF's politics this round, and I dont care eighter.
But I think we have much more to laugh at, then you have.
At least we try to fight eXi. Who is sitting on the fence now?

Don't be a scared little chicken, and fight like we at least try.

lol
Are you telling the alliances that have been fighting eX for weeks up until a couple of days ago to not be scared little chickens?

[Olympus]

Obviously not all alliance have been fighting.
If they did, eXi wouldn't be 1st now, would they?

[qebab]

Well said Gio. I was going to point out that but then you beat me to it.

[[DDK]gm]

like filling an alliance with all the best players in the game is going to be good for it???

[Ave]

Originally Posted by [DDK]gm

like filling an alliance with all the best players in the game is going to be good for it???

they dont have me, sufc nor riip <3

[Nadar]

They hit eXi? Thought these guys specialized in hitting their own allies.

[Forest]

You know Alki, I may not succeed. Hell I might be the worst at this ever in the history of pa.

But, maybe if everyone had put in half the effort into this as I have, maybe we wouldnt be in a position wheras exi are taking the piss out of a game.

So maybe you could just **** off instead of following me around AD replying to every post I make iwth nothing more than spam.

[Makhil]

there is (but it's only my opinion) a gap between playing to enter the top5 and playing for top spot. You might disagree, but i see no reason for talking about bullshit when peoples opinion is just different from your own.

[Colt]

Originally Posted by Makhil

You might disagree, but i see no reason for talking about bullshit when peoples opinion is just different from your own.

Then surely there is no reason for discussing any subject, shape or form at all? Someone always has a different opinion on whatever matter.

[HRH_H_Crab]

This is just too good. The Mighty eXi and friends having to gang up on little old ToF. Poor ToF that has never been taken seriously and has never won a round and big, bad eXi has to muster all it's strength and allies to steal some roids.

Yes thats one incredibly lunatic way of looking at it.
Let me propose an alternative viewpoint which I personally find more plausible:

*ahem*

Having roided pretty much everyone else, Exi decided to hit the fattest remaining alliance.

How does that sound?

[ReligFree]

Seems none have looked on it from our side in this. If we had hit eXi with all the other alliances it would have been ToF that got whacked back. We would have been given the eXilition incomings as opposed to other alliances as we were bigger/fatter/closer to there score.

ToF has been building this round with the CT core moving in and that obviously would make 99% of alliances a chunk stronger having the most dedicated CT guys join you. With that in mind it wouldnt have been a great move to get involved, get smacked and then lose moral within the new CToF.

Yes we were involved in the initial plans, i know that much. Not really sure how we were, or what went wrong but i have logs of leading ToF HCs in BC chans saying "okay we'll hit eXi", then that reversing about an hour later. Now maybe ToF should have joined in, but it would have resulted in instant retals on us, and more than likely us alone until others got closer. We weren't willing to do that, so didnt attack then, and to be honest im not quite sure what we're doing attacking now as its obviously far too late.

Doubt i'll be playing again anyway so good luck vs eXi in future rounds, and dont let them taking x number of rounds off make it so people forget what they've done round after round they've played.

[bwtmc]

Originally Posted by ReligFree

Seems none have looked on it from our side in this. If we had hit eXi with all the other alliances it would have been ToF that got whacked back. We would have been given the eXilition incomings as opposed to other alliances as we were bigger/fatter/closer to there score.

Yeah that's funny because you'll find looking back.. eXilition has typically not gone for alliances of that description while fighting blocks.

[Spritfire]

Originally Posted by ReligFree

Seems none have looked on it from our side in this. If we had hit eXi with all the other alliances it would have been ToF that got whacked back. We would have been given the eXilition incomings as opposed to other alliances as we were bigger/fatter/closer to there score.

So now they dont focus on you, because you are hitting them alone?

[ReligFree]

Originally Posted by Spritfire

So now they dont focus on you, because you are hitting them alone?

Please stop flaming when my post already answers all the crap you've just wrote. I dont think we should have attacked them now, its pointless + we are and will continue to get a shafting. I thought id made that clear enough already.

[Gate]

Originally Posted by Makhil

Am i reading this correctly ? the fight vs Exi was lost because ToF didn't join it ??? You're giving too much importance to a single ally who has little experience in being in top2.
HCs ego have lost it, people who think they have the skills when all they have is the position...

The marginal damage caused by attacks increases as more attacks are launched.

For example, eXilition may be able to stop 80 incoming fleets per night. Hit them with 100 fleets and 20 would get through. Hit them with 120 fleets and 40 will get through. A 20% increase in total firepower leads to a 100% increase in damage. Of course, it's far more complex than this, but it explains the point... on the nights where eX were held to ~0 growth, an extra 80-100 fleets would have turned that into a night of heavy losses.

Originally Posted by ReligFree

Seems none have looked on it from our side in this. If we had hit eXi with all the other alliances it would have been ToF that got whacked back. We would have been given the eXilition incomings as opposed to other alliances as we were bigger/fatter/closer to there score.

I know you didn't have anything to do with this, but it was quite obvious what was going to happen.

If ToF had have hit eXi earlier, eXi might not have won. Sure, they may have retaliated against ToF, but they would have had to swap their fire over to other alliances eventually as you dried up on roids or other allies posed a threat. eX may have threatened to bash you into the ground but they almost certainly wouldn't have done because they would have to keep other allies down too. If eXi were beaten, ToF would be in a universe with balance and a chance to win without being utterly outclassed by any individual opposing ally. And they'd have the advantage if they'd been hit first; ToF's morale would be on the upswing because of the recovery & victory over eX, whilst the alliances that eX had switched to targetting would be on the downswing.

By sitting out, ToF were committed to fencing the whole round or getting bashed the moment eXi decided they didn't like you.

ToF aren't the first ally to **** up and I doubt they'll be the last, and there can often be decent reasons (I did it too. At least twice.), I just hope that the lesson will sink into HC's skulls this time, and that they'll be able to look further than their own nose in future.

[Hude]

Originally Posted by Gate

If ToF had have hit eXi earlier, eXi might not have won. Sure, they may have retaliated against ToF, but they would have had to swap their fire over to other alliances eventually as you dried up on roids or other allies posed a threat. eX may have threatened to bash you into the ground but they almost certainly wouldn't have done because they would have to keep other allies down too.

What you just described eX would supposedly do is the reason why most alliances don't win. That is, switching targets because of roids instead of concentrating on getting rid of a threat.

[K-W]

Originally Posted by Hude

What you just described eX would supposedly do is the reason why most alliances don't win. That is, switching targets because of roids instead of concentrating on getting rid of a threat.

There is a some truth to that, but by and large eXi switch targets to get roids like everyone else even when they actually are facing a threat. That is all academic however, since this round there is no alliance anywhere near strong enough that eXi would need to consider them a threat. The smartest strategy for eX would have been doing what Gate described or attacking whichever hostile block alliance seemed most likely to give up, depending on exactly how much success the block was having roiding eXi.

To this thread in general, it is obviously true that going to war with eX late rather than making an early block work is a glaring strategic mistake, that said even if ToF had joined the early block, the odds would still have been massively in eX's favor to win.

[Mek]

Originally Posted by K-W

To this thread in general, it is obviously true that going to war with eX late rather than making an early block work is a glaring strategic mistake, that said even if ToF had joined the early block, the odds would still have been massively in eX's favor to win.

but ToF's refusal to join a block, and the rest of the crap with the block and its member alliances, effectively handed exilition the win. Saying that even if ToF had joined the block exi could have won....they are 70 players you 4(?) amount to somewhere in the region of 250 planets. they could not sustain a fight against 250 planets for 2/3 weeks or even the whole round should you have managed to keep it together that long.

then end of it, excuses aside, it comes down to HC incompetence and the inability to look past their own agenda. If they had managed to think about somebody other than themselves for even a couple of weeks we would not be seeing the game in its current state and, ultimately, the death of planetarion as we know it.

lets face it ToF, grats on finding some balls.....but it smacks of saving face for the AD community

[Gate]

Originally Posted by Hude

What you just described eX would supposedly do is the reason why most alliances don't win. That is, switching targets because of roids instead of concentrating on getting rid of a threat.

As Germania pointed out, I doubt eX would have really considered bashing any alliance into the ground this round. The only alliance I remember eX ever doing this to was 1up, since 1up were competent enough to be a threat on their own.

Normally alliances are 'persuaded' to drop out by eX threats, lack of discipline amongst members or lack of foresight by the HC.

[Hude]

Originally Posted by Gate

As Germania pointed out, I doubt eX would have really considered bashing any alliance into the ground this round. The only alliance I remember eX ever doing this to was 1up, since 1up were competent enough to be a threat on their own.

Its not necessary to bash anyone when couple of nights of concentrated incomings are enough to drop someone out. That said, I don't think we'd switch targets for roids if other matters were seen necessary.

[Inforza]

Originally Posted by Gate

As Germania pointed out, I doubt eX would have really considered bashing any alliance into the ground this round. The only alliance I remember eX ever doing this to was 1up, since 1up were competent enough to be a threat on their own.

we didnt do 5 waves on 300 roids planets every day like we did on 1up

[Spritfire]

So whats the difference about getting incs back then than now ?

[Olympus]

Ok.

So now what?
Everybody that didnt want to join in the fight, because we didnt help out initially, should now be done with it. We are roided flat, and obviously flooded with incs.

It's not about our own rank this round. It's about eXi's rank.
People always cry when they see eXi win, well if you want to stop it, you should fight them. There are 2 weeks left in this round, and if a couple of alliances combine their strenght, we could maybe make a difference.

Let's not be a pussy for once, and work together to fight em.
And if you say no, fine... but in that case salute eXillition for their excellent game play and their earned victory. No whining in the EORC.

My humble opinion.

[Gio2k]

My best guess is that eX hit a gal with a ToF HC / BC in it, and that guy got pissed and arranged to hit eX in a moment of rage :P

[Spritfire]

And then they hit back and so exi hit tof.
And then they went for a nap probably.

Thats my guess

[Dworschi]

nice postings ^^

now whats the point in going to hit the leading alliance if there the chance to survive the night is kinda low, while ToF was watching all the other alliances die in the same war they just started ? o_O
do they think they can succeed alone ?

else why didnt all allys block vs exi very early ? i heard they won all the last rounds ( i was quite some time not playing pa )

now everyone is talking about how shit everything went and how exi ruins the game etc
why dont you blame yourself for worse decicions ?

[Dworschi]

ah now i got 15 posts
another try with the link :>
http://game.planetarion.com/show_news.pl?id=4185

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Elevator

I still like this one better
http://game.planetarion.com/show_news.pl?id=4070
Two ToF vs exi planet...

<@jer> angels really is a disease <@JBG> yeah <@jer> even hude has turned incompetent <@JBG> it's no coincidence with hude no <@JBG> 2 rounds with us, 4 with exi <@JBG> 120 ticks with angels <@JBG> and boom

He still hasn't recovered