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Chojin · 24 Jul 2003, 18:00

When did the word 'hero' become virtually meaningless?

Jammers · 24 Jul 2003, 18:04

She's a hero if you believe the propaganda. It's like that guy in the Soviet Union who single handedly mined several hundred tons of coal in one shift, people thought he was a hero till they realised it was all lies.

Woof · 24 Jul 2003, 18:06

Why wasn't my mum called a hero when she crashed her car?

Hunter RAF · 24 Jul 2003, 18:10

yeah i was watching the news and, its pitiful that shes...

a: called a hero
b: has so much hype around her story
c: gets medals for being captured

wtf...

you got caught, you didnt do anything meaningful in the entire war, heres a medal or two for making us spend countless man hours and money in rescuing you

Jammers · 24 Jul 2003, 18:10

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Originally posted by Woof
Why wasn't my mum called a hero when she crashed her car?

Did she single handedly fight off half the Iraqi Army armed only with a handgun, followed by resisting tortue by several hundred highly trained torturers?
If she didn't, then she's probably just as much a hero as Jessica Lynch.

Woof · 24 Jul 2003, 18:15

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Originally posted by Jammers
Did she single handedly fight off half the Iraqi Army armed only with a handgun, followed by resisting tortue by several hundred highly trained torturers?
If she didn't, then she's probably just as much a hero as Jessica Lynch.

Neither did she according to the reports issued after the war.

Jammers · 24 Jul 2003, 18:17

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Originally posted by Woof
Neither did she according to the reports issued after the war.

That was my point

24 Jul 2003, 18:47

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Originally posted by Chojin
When did the word 'hero' become virtually meaningless?

I think it was around the time Thunderdome came out. Tina Turner is to blame

Woof · 24 Jul 2003, 18:50

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Originally posted by Busty Blonde
I think it was around the time Thunderdome came out. Tina Turner is to blame

A nick like yours will get you far too much attention around here.
If anyone called Muslim offers to cybor, just say no.

acropolis · 24 Jul 2003, 19:05

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Deffeh · 24 Jul 2003, 19:56

oh saaaaaaaaay does thaaaaaaat star spangled baaaaaaaaaaa-----aaaaannnnnnneeerrrr still waave..

Cmdr_Cyrax · 24 Jul 2003, 19:59

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Originally posted by Jammers
Did she single handedly fight off half the Iraqi Army armed only with a handgun, followed by resisting tortue by several hundred highly trained torturers?
If she didn't, then she's probably just as much a hero as Jessica Lynch.

I hear she stiched up Qusay and Uday too.

I think we should parachute her back in; we'll be ruling the entire arab world within a week.

inf · 24 Jul 2003, 21:17

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Originally posted by Chojin
When did the word 'hero' become virtually meaningless?

when america gained indepence.

vampire_lestat · 24 Jul 2003, 21:26

bloody americans, ruiin everything

Sandsnake · 24 Jul 2003, 21:28

I just think it's sad that people are directing their disdain at her rather than the media...she was laid up in a hospital when all this started.

She's no more a hero than any other soldier on a battlefield. However, she's no less of one either.

Chrism · 24 Jul 2003, 21:31

This whole debacle is absolutely priceless!

Deffeh · 24 Jul 2003, 21:34

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Originally posted by Sandsnake
She's no more a hero than any other soldier on a battlefield. However, she's no less of one either.

consider this.

acropolis · 24 Jul 2003, 21:45

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Originally posted by Sandsnake
I just think it's sad that people are directing their disdain at her rather than the media...she was laid up in a hospital when all this started.

She's no more a hero than any other soldier on a battlefield. However, she's no less of one either.

I pretty much agree with this.

but i have to say that i think its pretty difficult to separate when people are 'directing their disdain' at her and when at the media; it comes out pretty much the same.

ps: the 9/11 terrorists were cowards!!

Demon Dave · 24 Jul 2003, 23:08

damn yanks and their tokan promotions and medals for doing absolutly nothing at all. "oh wow you passed basic training here have a medal and a whole squad. by the way private you've been promoted to major general. congrats"

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Nusselt · 24 Jul 2003, 23:14

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Originally posted by Jammers
She's a hero if you believe the propaganda. It's like that guy in the Soviet Union who single handedly mined several hundred tons of coal in one shift, people thought he was a hero till they realised it was all lies.

Alexei Stakhanov was aces you weiner*

* yes i got this from the monkey's sig, so what, go tell YOUR MOM.

W · 25 Jul 2003, 00:59

It's not that surprising that the media will jump upon any "hero" they can get. Surprising that they can't find someone who fit the role a bit more stereotypically tho.

pablissimo · 25 Jul 2003, 01:30

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Originally posted by Jammers
It's like that guy in the Soviet Union who single handedly mined several hundred tons of coal in one shift

SAM? ZIGGY SAYS YOU'RE ****ED!

Monkehpimp · 25 Jul 2003, 05:49

Shes such a hick :/

they took her to a town with about 100k people in it, which was the biggest place she had been to and she was like 'wow, this is what New York must be like!!!'

Rids · 25 Jul 2003, 08:27

Considering the **** that she has been through, she deserves a medal far more than any of you fking morons ever will.

Ärketrollmannen · 25 Jul 2003, 09:37

For what?

For suffering?

Should i have gotten a medal when my grandmother died?

Proteus · 25 Jul 2003, 11:14

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Originally posted by Ärketrollmannen
For what?

For suffering?

Should i have gotten a medal when my grandmother died?

If you had been in the US Army, you probably would have.

Woof · 25 Jul 2003, 11:32

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Originally posted by Proteus
If you had been in the US Army, you probably would have.

I heard, that american service men used to get a medal when flying from american to England, as technically they fly over Northern Ireland which was classed as a war zone.

I doubt it's true, but with america, you never really can be sure.
Dafter crap happens in america!

Ärketrollmannen · 25 Jul 2003, 13:09

Does anyone know how many medals you were awarded if you went to the gulfwar?

I heard they had half a million men and handed out 12million medals

can taht be true?

Kumnaa · 25 Jul 2003, 13:37

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Originally posted by acropolis

ps: the 9/11 terrorists were cowards!!

i wouldn't have the balls to hijack a plane and fly it straight into a building resulting in my death

Ärketrollmannen · 25 Jul 2003, 13:37

I think he was being sarcastic

Kumnaa · 25 Jul 2003, 13:42

he was being erotic

treelo · 25 Jul 2003, 14:22

she just got lucky. i like the fact that the lied about it to make it look

.

stupid yanks

Vermillion · 25 Jul 2003, 14:35

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Originally posted by Woof
I heard, that american service men used to get a medal when flying from american to England, as technically they fly over Northern Ireland which was classed as a war zone.

During WWII, Ireland was not a war zone, it was a neutral country. Northern Ireland was actually quite peaceful at the time. (Unlike WWI)

However, back to the point. You have to destinguish between service medals, for being active in a war zone, and actual earned medals of merit. Though the example was flawed, the point was correct, American aviators flying over a war zone could be given service medals, indicating they were in active service in the war zone, but thats it.

There is no time limit required for service medals, largely due to the fact that in WWI it was not unusual for poorly trained and inexperienced American soldiers to be killed or wounded within half an jour of ariving at the front lines, and facing their vastly more experienced German opponents.

Vermillion · 25 Jul 2003, 14:43

Also, while it is true that the US military has watered down the value of most of its medals for political reasons, at least the CMOH remains, like the British VC, quite elite and special, you pretty much have to get killed in an insanely heroic manner to even be nominated for one. (I think something like 65% of all CMOH's are awarded posthumously)

Marilyn Manson · 25 Jul 2003, 15:35

I'd cynically say the whole operation needed a heroine in the form of a 'little person' to make it more palatable for the people at home. From what I can tell, she did virtually nothing, at least nothing better than most people in unfortunate circumstances, and now she's marvellous.

Dace · 26 Jul 2003, 03:02

If Jessica sucked my dick not only would she be a heroine but i would go and buy her a medal or if she wanted i could make her one from some shiney metal from something like a tin of peaches or something and i could etch onto the round piece of the can i'd cut out 'NUMBER 1 SUCK - JESSICA LYNCH'.

Steve_G · 26 Jul 2003, 03:19

its all part of american government

they place so much emphasis on there own troops thats its just stupid

i still think its bull**** neither of the guys who killed 4 canadian troops when they dropped a bomb on them like what? a year ago now have received any jail time

back in vietnam didnt they trade like 2500 US troops and like 3500 other PoWs on there side for like 53000 of the enemy

great ****en negotiation skills there

Tactitus · 26 Jul 2003, 04:03

Heroism is a pretty nebulous concept, in my view. And medals often seem to be a reward for luck or even stupidity.

Who's the bigger hero, the guy who throws himself on an enemy hand grenade--and is killed? Or the guy who picks up that hand grenade and throws it back at the enemy--and lives? The guy who charges an enemy bunker with a shovel? Or the guy who calmly calls in an air strike to take it out? Which guys tend to get the medals?

With respect to Jessica's medals, I don't know why anyone here cares anyway. If the army wants to pin medals on palm trees and rocks, what is it to you? How are you harmed?

I can see where previous recipients of a medal might object to it being given out for frivolous reasons, as they may feel it "cheapens" their award. I think those people are the only ones whose opinions on this subject matter. So far, I haven't heard any of those people objecting.

The rest of you can sit down.

Dace · 26 Jul 2003, 04:10

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Originally posted by Tactitus
I can see where previous recipients of a medal might object to it being given out for frivolous reasons, as they may feel it "cheapens" their award. I think those people are the only ones whose opinions on this subject matter.

Yeah the opinions of those people and me are the only ones that matter!

26 Jul 2003, 10:39

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Originally posted by Dace
If Jessica sucked my dick not only would she be a heroine but i would go and buy her a medal or if she wanted i could make her one from some shiney metal from something like a tin of peaches or something and i could etch onto the round piece of the can i'd cut out 'NUMBER 1 SUCK - JESSICA LYNCH'.

Think about it. She might suck at sucking :/

W · 26 Jul 2003, 13:44

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Originally posted by Tactitus
Who's the bigger hero, the guy who throws himself on an enemy hand grenade--and is killed? Or the guy who picks up that hand grenade and throws it back at the enemy--and lives? The guy who charges an enemy bunker with a shovel? Or the guy who calmly calls in an air strike to take it out? Which guys tend to get the medals?

To be fair, I doubt you'd get a medal for dying in the ways you describe unless it was the last resort and actaully made a difference.

Ärketrollmannen · 27 Jul 2003, 16:58

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Originally posted by Vermillion
Also, while it is true that the US military has watered down the value of most of its medals for political reasons, at least the CMOH remains, like the British VC, quite elite and special, you pretty much have to get killed in an insanely heroic manner to even be nominated for one. (I think something like 65% of all CMOH's are awarded posthumously)

We don't really complain about the medal itself, but over the "WOW a HEROINE" crap that she has received.