Hydra & Reunion Merge - An Official Response

[Phil^]

Every time someone mentions reunion you think of Sephiroth and Jenova in FF7

[Agerus]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

does seem fair, but doubt it reunion will do it :xmas:

fair enough. That 's a proper solution imo.

[Virall]

Tbh, I feel sorry for reunion. If this happened with an alliance I was in, id be disappointed that attention surrounded a possible 'illegal' win. Good luck to them; the people that have said what's done is done are firmly right. Yes we know it was a mistake, mistakes happen.

How about laying off 1up to ensure an integral win this round?

Well, I see PA team hasn't changed much.
I don't feel sorry for Reunion. I'm happy for them. They played it smart and are continuing to do so as you can see in the ranks.
Quite an interesting round.

[Chika]

Not really that bad of thing to let reunion merge. I can grasp the no communication bit. But i fail to see why people are surprised. PA Team fuxoring the round is about as common as prostitutes in Amsterdam.

[noah02]

Ah well nevermind this round is just a farce tbh.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Chika

Not really that bad of thing to let reunion merge. I can grasp the no communication bit. But i fail to see why people are surprised. PA Team fuxoring the round is about as common as prostitutes in Amsterdam.

You reckon they'd charge the same for 1 hour?

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by noah02

Ah well nevermind this round is just a farce tbh.

Purely out of interest, why is that? Looking at the fluid politics so far, this round seems more exciting then previous rounds (not that I'd know cause I log in once every 2-3 days when irvine sends me some sms's for defence ).

[Chika]

People keep saying "this round is a joke", "This is a summer round". There are about the same amout of paid planets as last round. hehe. This round has way more active alliance politics. more so than any PAX round I would go as far to say. Merges, enemies turned allies. Par alliances turning uber overnight. BG's leaving allies to join other allies. New alliances in top 10, F-Crew in top 10. This is about as good a round as one could ask for. The people saying "This is just a summer round" are the main people getting owned.
HAR

[noah02]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Purely out of interest, why is that? Looking at the fluid politics so far, this round seems more exciting then previous rounds (not that I'd know cause I log in once every 2-3 days when irvine sends me some sms's for defence ).

Because the start of the round looked interesting with lots of new small promising comebacks and new alliances and most of them after a few weeks are gone already or binned there main objective of just having a good round with well known freinds and actually getting MEMBERS to agree with recruiting ppl etc...

SiNND everyone complained about said it was stupid crazy cheating and now everyone is doing it so like I said its turning into a farce.
PA make a mistake and say ah well Nevermind cant change it *shrug*.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by noah02

Because the start of the round looked interesting with lots of new small promising comebacks and new alliances and most of them after a few weeks are gone already or binned there main objective of just having a good round with well known freinds and actually getting MEMBERS to agree with recruiting ppl etc...

SiNND everyone complained about said it was stupid crazy cheating and now everyone is doing it so like I said its turning into a farce.
PA make a mistake and say ah well Nevermind cant change it *shrug*.

Sure, if you talk about the actions of PA Team then I agree it's turning into a farce, but purely looking at political evolution thoughout this round ... alliance disbanding, created, merged, allied and napped ... It's asif the entire political situation can switch every tick ... if you talk about that I disagree that this round is a farce

Then again, that's your opinion so fair enough.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Chika

People keep saying "this round is a joke", "This is a summer round". There are about the same amout of paid planets as last round. hehe. This round has way more active alliance politics. more so than any PAX round I would go as far to say. Merges, enemies turned allies. Par alliances turning uber overnight. BG's leaving allies to join other allies. New alliances in top 10, F-Crew in top 10. This is about as good a round as one could ask for. The people saying "This is just a summer round" are the main people getting owned.
HAR

I don't know about other alliances but I know atleast a third of the Angels last round are NOT playing this round. With not I mean not having a planet, I'm not even talking about the pple that logged in once a month (Hi Foxman) etc

But I agree, saying "it's only a summer round" is quite lame, just like calling a .5 round not a "real" round.

[Clogg]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Reunion, home of the bg's?

That used to be Hydra

[Marinho]

2 Reunion 66962 96 1,845,331 177,151,851

wow watch out 1up, the cavalery has arrived to take #1 spot and shows how shit this merger really was

[DeLoS]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

But I agree, saying "it's only a summer round" is quite lame, just like calling a .5 round not a "real" round.

Agreed :P

(no negreps ta :P)

[cypher]

tbh if both alliances are sorry for the 'illegal merge' which it obviously is i do NOT believe they didn't have records themself of who is and was reunion originally.... how hard can it be to put all the other people who joined (through the merge) in an allianceless state.

Legator doesn't think it would create much of a difference and he's HC of reunion as far as i know so why not "secure" your win if you get it as you're obviously going for it seeing as you are #2 now because of the merge. IF you win now you'll be laughed at... if you let all those single hydra planets go allianceless for 72 hours you would actually gain respect. I doubt you can honestly say you don't know who joined and who was already in... pa team might not know... those 2 alliances damn well do tho.

would be a simple solution and make it fair for everyone really or am i mistaken?

[Lunar_Lamp]

Originally Posted by kloopy

...we are confident that they will not make the number 1 position.

<Kloopy> It's a little like Bill Gates saying computers will never need more than 64kb of RAM, isn't it. :/


On a serious note - issues arising from this are being discussed. We acknowledge having made a mistake, and sincerely apologise and I am personally mortified about my role in the debacle. We are currently discussing a wide variety of issues arising from this whole incident, in an effort to improve for the future. Again, please accept my personal heartfelt apologies.

[aNgRyDuCk]

how about correcting the past, at least in this instance...it's like "well Mrs smith, we're sorry your daughter got killed, we'll try and make drunk driving laws more of a deterrant in the future" how about correcting the current mistake while your at it

[noah02]

Originally Posted by Kloopy

The new Reunion alliance is currently placed 4th in the alliance rankings. About 4 weeks until the end of round we are confident that they will not make the number 1 position. The new Reunion currently only have one planet in the top 30 planet ranks and we are again confident that this merge will not adversely affect the final planet rankings.

1 1up 91 Members 182,104,742
2 Reunion 97 Members 180,378,334

no honestly there is nothing wrong with it......

[Legator]

Originally Posted by noah02

1 1up 91 Members 182,104,742
2 Reunion 97 Members 180,378,334

no honestly there is nothing wrong with it......

again, we would have been there without the merge....maybe with 5 mio less (in a very worste case scenario) - not now but in like 48 hours.

i wonder that this gets so overrated here.if we are now 2nd or in 72 hours (or 48 by now). it wouldnt make a big differense - by 5 mio maybe....

[aNgRyDuCk]

it makes a difference because those planets would have likely been roided during that 72 hour period, don't sit here and act like you aren't already aware of the benefits to instant merging.. only 10 Mil points seperate 1 2 and 3, so 5 mil IS a big difference

[Legator]

Originally Posted by aNgRyDuCk

it makes a difference because those planets would have likely been roided during that 72 hour period, don't sit here and act like you aren't already aware of the benefits to instant merging.. only 10 Mil points seperate 1 2 and 3, so 5 mil IS a big difference

i think you can read in every of my posts that i know about the benefits......all i say is that the roids they would have lost werent that much to stop us from being where we are now.

and yes 5 mio is a big differense maybe but by far not that big as you people do it here.

[Heartless]

Originally Posted by Legator

i think you can read in every of my posts that i know about the benefits......all i say is that the roids they would have lost werent that much to stop us from being where we are now.

and yes 5 mio is a big differense maybe but by far not that big as you people do it here.

Not a stop, no. But a slowing down which would have definately been better. Since you asked PA Team to look into unmerging - why not simply kick the Hydra guys and take them back in 3 days later? Guess nobody would complain about anything any longer.

[Remy]

Originally Posted by Legator

tbh Remy, please think about it. Do you really think the 72 hours wait would have had a big impact on this ? If you are a "clever" play you know how to save your fleet, it would have been maybe a few roids which would were missing but it wouldnt have done that much of harm.

Btw we tried to undo the merge, but it was technically not possible it seems. And wtf are you thinking, its still like 3 to 4 weeks to go into this round...alot can happen - do you give up that quickly ???

Please think about, as wrong as it was - no doubts in that now, it were 72 hours where you still can defend bs/cr and fr/de incs (to a certain extend) and where, as said above, people can run their fleets if needed. Of course is skipping the 72 hours an advantage but you overrate it by far.

You really dont have a clue what im talking about: im talking about the 2 week period stated in the rules. That rule was broken. Therefor the game is broken. Which leads to my original reply.

And partial rollback/unmerge is possible if you got a clue and some history, OR if reunion had been as good as to provide the old reunion list, making the rest the other merger party, or vice versa.

Its simple, the rules were broken, the game is now tainted.

[Remy]

Originally Posted by Phil^

They do store history, of each tick iirc, but this is as a mysql dump and restoring it would mean a rollback for the whole universe

im an (my)sql expert. If they store each tick, they can EASILY reset any part of a dump.But PA team isnt gonna do anything about it, we all know that. So we can all go on being royally pissed, which wont help either.

PA Team, you made Reunion tainted. YOUR fault, not theirs.

[Ali]

Noone can say what would have hapenned if things happened differently. Though if Hydra were to remain at a certain number of planets to wait for it they would have still been tagged and able to defend eachother via that. Also with the attention this has received and some of the time that is saved when you do things fast before people all unanimously know which alliance someone is going to.. all of the Hydra players would have other planets watching for them to be booted just to take advantage of them with their eta 7 fi/co.

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by Remy

im an (my)sql expert. If they store each tick, they can EASILY reset any part of a dump.But PA team isnt gonna do anything about it, we all know that. So we can all go on being royally pissed, which wont help either.

PA Team, you made Reunion tainted. YOUR fault, not theirs.

Im just repeating what i got told when i queried about a partial db restore about something or other a few rounds back

[aNgRyDuCk]

so, is the PA crew going to correct this, or aren't they? doesn't get any more simple than that does it?

[Phil^]

they arent, as detailed in the post by kloopy

[Treveler]

If you wanted to undo the merger you could just kick the members who got merged and the pa team could manually re add those members back in Hydra the same tick they got kicked if they wanted that.

When they could do it for the fang members who got kicked in pax and the phraktos members who got kicked before the merger with Mistu in r11, I’m sure they could do it for you too.

[aNgRyDuCk]

I've never been one to rag the PA crew as I realize it basically sucks being them... this however is completely rediculous

to have a problem, an obvious mistake by those involved, and the means to correct it, then to refuse to do so...completely unnacceptable

[jupp]

Originally Posted by cypher

tbh if both alliances are sorry for the 'illegal merge' which it obviously is i do NOT believe they didn't have records themself of who is and was reunion originally.... how hard can it be to put all the other people who joined (through the merge) in an allianceless state.

Legator doesn't think it would create much of a difference and he's HC of reunion as far as i know so why not "secure" your win if you get it as you're obviously going for it seeing as you are #2 now because of the merge. IF you win now you'll be laughed at... if you let all those single hydra planets go allianceless for 72 hours you would actually gain respect. I doubt you can honestly say you don't know who joined and who was already in... pa team might not know... those 2 alliances damn well do tho.

would be a simple solution and make it fair for everyone really or am i mistaken?

do you want to say that we hold information back and "BLOCKED" the unmerging because we did not give out any info ? ofc not true ...
even if we didnt give out that info pa.team has still the alliance history on every planet - it would just take longer - not make it impossible.

[Virall]

Originally Posted by Kloopy

The new Reunion alliance is currently placed 4th in the alliance rankings. About 4 weeks until the end of round we are confident that they will not make the number 1 position. The new Reunion currently only have one planet in the top 30 planet ranks and we are again confident that this merge will not adversely affect the final planet rankings.

Alliances - Top 30
Rank Change Name Asteroids Members AVG Score Score
1 1up 77082 91 2,021,394 183,946,911
2 Reunion 68101 97 1,874,493 181,825,915
3 LCH 73574 92 1,873,859 172,395,032

[mens]

I gave up on Pa Team years ago tbh.

[Veedeejem!]

it's amazing how they manage to screw things up every round

[Kargool]

The fun part is how they put cotton in their ears and puts on shades to avoid to either listen to common sense, or actually try to comment again on this own thread. But seeing as their logic reasoning fell apart totally, I can only guess that they are to ashamed of themselves to show themself here.

[Veedeejem!]

So basicly what pa-team is trying to say is that it's ok to cheat/break the rules aslong as you know somebody in pa-team who'll say it's ok.
Why not let people multi whille we're at it, or scrap the silly question when you log in so we can go back to the days of bots.
Killmark anyone?

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by jupp

do you want to say that we hold information back and "BLOCKED" the unmerging because we did not give out any info ? ofc not true ...
even if we didnt give out that info pa.team has still the alliance history on every planet - it would just take longer - not make it impossible.

PA-Team were obviously oblivious to that batch of Insomnia recruits you had in the background otherwise Kloopy would never have said you were ranked 4th and there was little chance of you reaching #1.

Then again, they've never really shown themselves as in-touch with the community anyway.

[Chika]

I really can't see a problem with the merge, or the recruitment. Your allowed to have 100 members. I thought it was all simple.

[Troll]

1 Reunion 69862 100 1,862,319 186,231,976
2 1up 77082 91 2,032,745 184,979,799


Now since they should have 10k less roids Maybe ND 1up and LCH should all hit them for 1 day to make it all even again? yes? no? Maybe so? Community fix to the Pateams error?

Oh well

Let the games begin

[Orion Treet]

Thank you PA team for dramaticly shifting the balance in the universe once more Should be interesting.

[derry]

Alliances - Top 30
Rank Change Name Asteroids Members AVG Score Score
1 Reunion 69862 100 1,862,624 186,262,400
2 1up 77082 91 2,034,528 185,142,074
3 LCH 73746 92 1,884,810 173,402,537

reunion for nr1

[edit] used ingame instead of sandmans stats [/edit]

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Heartless

Not a stop, no. But a slowing down which would have definately been better. Since you asked PA Team to look into unmerging - why not simply kick the Hydra guys and take them back in 3 days later? Guess nobody would complain about anything any longer.

tbh, thought about this, but after all the publicity they surely would have no chance at all than if they would have quit in a "normal" way.

[Heartless]

Originally Posted by Legator

tbh, thought about this, but after all the publicity they surely would have no chance at all than if they would have quit in a "normal" way.

If you rather sacrifice your alliance as a whole, fair game. I doubt Reunion are well-liked or liked these days.
I also doubt original Reunion members will like the additional incoming they may get now - at least many of them seem to be unhappy with your new aims for wanting to be #1 alliance at any cost.

[ChipZ^]

The only differnce to what has happened and if hydra had to wait the 72 ticks before joining is a loss off 10k or so roids, Reunion would still have been very close to #1 spot in score after the said 72 ticks of not #1.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

The only differnce to what has happened and if hydra had to wait the 72 ticks before joining is a loss off 10k or so roids, Reunion would still have been very close to #1 spot in score after the said 72 ticks of not #1.

The value and resources gained for 10k roids is a bunch plus all the XP gained from capping from unallied players. These aren't the kind of score boosts one can just "brush off" and pretend like they don't matter. In a round like this a few mil score can make all the difference.

[derry]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

The only differnce to what has happened and if hydra had to wait the 72 ticks before joining is a loss off 10k or so roids, Reunion would still have been very close to #1 spot in score after the said 72 ticks of not #1.

180.000.000 mil resources counting for 72 ticks(without fin centers and priorities), i woulnd't mind having those \o/

[Heartless]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

The only differnce to what has happened and if hydra had to wait the 72 ticks before joining is a loss off 10k or so roids, Reunion would still have been very close to #1 spot in score after the said 72 ticks of not #1.

Yes, but as pointed out before: 10000 roids are 2500000 resources extra they get every tick now, allowing them to grow 25k more value per tick which again leads to 600000 extra fleetvalue per day (those 600k value are roughly equal to the value of an average planet in the current universe).

With those 10000 roids distributed among the rows of the other alliance there would be the slowing down of Reunions growth, which would after the merger mess be more than just fair. They gained a lot of additional firepower by this merge, so why should they be allowed this extra growth as well?

But as I said: Now it is up to Reunion's High Command.

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Heartless

If you rather sacrifice your alliance as a whole, fair game. I doubt Reunion are well-liked or liked these days.
I also doubt original Reunion members will like the additional incoming they may get now - at least many of them seem to be unhappy with your new aims for wanting to be #1 alliance at any cost.

im surprised by your poor attemps heartless, i think you dont know much at all about our core members or about our structure.

[Uthor]

Hmmm seems someone been watching to much Donald Trump shows the Apprentice, if you can't beat your competition BUY them !!! With all these mergers going on seems someone been takeing notes..