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Unread 31 Aug 2004, 17:18   #51
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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Any alliance who claims to make NO naps in a full round of planetarion but ends up with a list of planetary nap did something wrong along the way.

The political situation created due this was even more silly then block wars. And the alliance who won by doing this, didn't follow there own rules and should maybe try it next round and prove they can really do it without naps. Imho this round is no hair better then the FPM block from last round, and yes this is all due my bitterness of not playing this round.
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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and yes this is all due my bitterness of not playing this round.
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Unread 31 Aug 2004, 18:20   #53
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

Every alliance wants strong galaxies to protect its members and report defence - they have every right to not attack galaxies where their members reside. It's a policy that makes sense as it causes far less stress and 'paperwork' - the retal culture can become very cumbersome, when there are plenty of legitimate targets to go for outside of your own alliance's sphere.

The true shame is that there are personnel who have decided to opt out of playing for their alliance (while remaining members of them) while at the same time there's a few periodically raiding with 1up - in effect making them 1up members all but in name, because of the way they play. The fault sits entirely with those who have chosen to play in a way that makes it appear that 1up has a huge amount of clout beyond its 100 members - it stretches to at least double and possibly treble that number. Although there are a few things you can argue about 1up, this issue falls squarely with the individuals involved - end of.
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Unread 31 Aug 2004, 19:14   #54
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Re: congrats to sit & 7up

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Every alliance wants strong galaxies to protect its members and report defence - they have every right to not attack galaxies where their members reside. It's a policy that makes sense as it causes far less stress and 'paperwork' - the retal culture can become very cumbersome, when there are plenty of legitimate targets to go for outside of your own alliance's sphere.

The true shame is that there are personnel who have decided to opt out of playing for their alliance (while remaining members of them) while at the same time there's a few periodically raiding with 1up - in effect making them 1up members all but in name, because of the way they play. The fault sits entirely with those who have chosen to play in a way that makes it appear that 1up has a huge amount of clout beyond its 100 members - it stretches to at least double and possibly treble that number. Although there are a few things you can argue about 1up, this issue falls squarely with the individuals involved - end of.
This is a weak argument. The offer was only made to these planets because 1up knew people would accept it. It's 1ups choice to make the offer of a NAP. You can and should blame each individual player who accepted it. But to just blame it all on them while you could have simply not initiated it all doesn't realy make much sense.
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

Everybody trying to take a piss at 1 up should stfu.
Instead of bitching about 1up on these forums should have just played better this round.

So what if they gave out naps to planets in 1up gals? I think it's normal not to hit gals with alliance members in it.

So what if sid helped make the shipstats? As these were known well before the round started, he didn't have anything to do with the last changes made to them and there was still the beta in which everybody had a chance of testing the stats.

I think that what we are seeing here is just a bunch of people who can't accept the fact that 1up just basicly owned.
Cheers on a round very well played Sid & co
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Unread 1 Sep 2004, 03:55   #57
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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Did Spinner sleep with your woman or something?

It seems you cant post a single post without showing your bitterness towards that man.
i was thinking the same :eek:
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Unread 1 Sep 2004, 04:29   #58
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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Did Spinner sleep with your woman or something?

It seems you cant post a single post without showing your bitterness towards that man.



lol........ ask a few old stagers and they may have a chuckle...... just like in the game if I made an enemy I attacked them as often as I could regardless of the defence they got from others. Bitterness is perhaps not the word to use as I still consider the "war" active. So either laugh or shake your head.... it makes no nevermind to me but I was one person you really didnt want to make an enemy of and spinner did.

I hope that answer your question but if you really know the history of PA you can understand some of the issues...... but spinner doesnt sleep with women last I heard anyway ......
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Unread 1 Sep 2004, 08:10   #59
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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What's wrong withn MPF last round? Every round there has been powerblocks and the most powerful one wins. What happened last, what happened those 11 rounds before aswell.
Shocker, Kjeldoran don't get it..
It's not about what's right or wrong to do concerning blocking. It's how it evols on the battlefied. If all vs 1 results in a fun and fair battle it's ok. If all solo results in the same it's ok as well.

The result of the FPM block was a lot of unhappiness for a lot of players(I had one of my most fun round ever and was not in the FPM block, but that doesn't count for a lot of players).
This round the "We all go Solo" statement had to improve the unhappines and had to result in a more open and fun round. Due the planetary napping, easy victory of 1up, and alliances giving up way half way it wasn't better then last round. Last round there where still 3 alliances at the top and we saw some shit happening before the end, not that the round was interesting for the other alliances, but I just wanne say this round was nothing better then we had last round, and that was the reason for the "We all go Solo" stuff.
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Unread 1 Sep 2004, 10:14   #60
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

god, you retards and your 'easy victory'

for the LAST FKING TIME!

IT WAS NOT EASY.... it was fking brutally hard.

now stfu all, thanks.
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

sssh, tis
admit it! the win was so easy! we never stayed up all night to recall/resend/def we just prelaunched every single attack and went to bed at 9pm! our secrets are out!
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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god, you retards and your 'easy victory'

for the LAST FKING TIME!

IT WAS NOT EASY.... it was fking brutally hard.

now stfu all, thanks.
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Unread 1 Sep 2004, 13:33   #63
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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god, you retards and your 'easy victory'

for the LAST FKING TIME!

IT WAS NOT EASY.... it was fking brutally hard.

now stfu all, thanks.
Easy doesn't have to mean, easy as in, no effort...
Easy doesn't have to mean, easy as in, I didn't had to do anything for it.

Easy in the way I used it means, Easy as in, there was no other alliance who could compete with your alliance tactical, profesional and napping skills.

With the lead your alliance now have, you should agree that some more difficulty would have kept the round a bit more fun and made 1up's victory taste more sweet...
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

it was/is sweet. shockingly, beating alliances who even after targetting us specifically, because of our policies and effort, gives a good sweet winning feeling.
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Re: congrats to sit & 7up

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This is a weak argument. The offer was only made to these planets because 1up knew people would accept it.
people are shit then
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Unread 1 Sep 2004, 15:07   #66
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

This is insane. If someone gives you a car and you crashes and get hurt you cant go and blaim the one who gave you the car and get away with it (Well you probably can in the US but they are all crasy! :P ).

You cant blaim 1up for your own stupidity.

You or your alliance accepted these naps, it was not forced down upon you.

You or your alliance didnt study he stats good enough before the round and therefor went to Terran heavy (with relevance to another thread, but the point is the same). You cant blaim 1up for that.

Pll are too blinded by hate and old grudges to think straight. You simply cant blaim this on 1up. Its your own damn stupidity.
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

Your personal play doesn't have to be dictated because of how one alliance ( 1up in this case ) play their cards. As some other threads/posts indicate, i.e Howling Rain and New Dawn and I'd suppose also MISTU are still struggling for those (maybe to the eye seemingly) 'unimportant' positions.

1up won this round fair and square, this however doesn't mean the round HAS to be fked up for everybody else, I guess it all depends on what goals you play for.

If you wanted to become #1, you should've joined the alliance that was most likely to end #1. If you play merely for fun - go do that, play for fun.

I've been bloody inactive myself this round, but when I had some spare hours I still had lots of fun roiding smaller planets with my sorry excuse of a planet .

Once again - it's a matter of where you set your priorities. 1up set them on the number one position, and outplayed everyone.
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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god, you retards and your 'easy victory'

for the LAST FKING TIME!

IT WAS NOT EASY.... it was fking brutally hard.

now stfu all, thanks.
Sometimes for the truth to get through to some people excessive abuse of the shift key is required. Everyone who calls 1up's win easy in any way or form is...wrong...basically.
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Pll are too blinded by hate and old grudges to think straight. You simply cant blaim this on up. Its your own damn stupidity.
Well there is the issue that they think FFA was best for this round - if you wanted 1up to win, that would be correct. I'm still not quite sure what's worse - what they put forward, or the fact that people let it had the effect of diluting any opposition to 1up. They certainly cleared a path for them to work themselves a victory at a bare minimum as expected, which they have done, fairly and squarely - they've done very well for themselves, and should be more than happy with the way they've played.
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

I declare myself the winner of the "inactive-because-I-realised-it-was-summer-and-I-needed-a-job-award".

I can't really see what Sid did wrong - he just did most things too well for other people to cope with, it seems.
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Easy doesn't have to mean, easy as in, no effort...
Easy doesn't have to mean, easy as in, I didn't had to do anything for it.

Easy in the way I used it means, Easy as in, there was no other alliance who could compete with your alliance tactical, profesional and napping skills.
Easy beacuse they worked hard.

I don't think I'm the only one not seeing the easy here.
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No blocking.
Giving 50% of the universe a nap and taking away much firepower of the other alliances.
THAT"S SAD
1up aint sad, its the SAD MOTHERFCUKERS that ACCEPTED the NAPs..
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1up aint sad, its the SAD MOTHERFCUKERS that ACCEPTED the NAPs..
Agreed. Most alliances have a policy of not attacking gals which contain alliance members, nothing special there. 1up just made some formal rules and guidelines about it and made that public, that's all. You can't plame 1up for that. That members of alliances who try/tried to compete with 1up accepted that nap (lo 21:1 non-1ups) is just lack of obediance to their HC imho. Unless the HC is willing to sacrifice part of their firepower against 1up ofc, and I doubt any HC would do that
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Agreed. Most alliances have a policy of not attacking gals which contain alliance members, nothing special there. 1up just made some formal rules and guidelines about it and made that public, that's all. You can't plame 1up for that.
Uhm Martok you are missing the point.
1 up policy was that planets in a 1up gal wouldn't receive any 1up inc if they didn't attacked 1up.

Example: If you have LCH in your gal, you shoudn't attack LCH. In this way you keep yourself away from inc from that alliance.

So 1up could have done something about it. Perhaps the same guideline as the other alliances. ( just don't attack any gal with a aliance m8 in it).


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That members of alliances who try/tried to compete with 1up accepted that nap (lo 21:1 non-1ups) is just lack of obediance to their HC imho. Unless the HC is willing to sacrifice part of their firepower against 1up ofc, and I doubt any HC would do that
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1 up policy was that planets in a 1up gal wouldn't receive any 1up inc if they didn't attacked 1up.


really ?! it`s so illogical! wtf were we thinking :s god we`re such nubmaxes!!1
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

Why are the top players in 21:1 allowed to sit with a nap anyway.

If i was running things, those members would be kicked and roided imemdietly.
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really ?! it`s so illogical! wtf were we thinking :s god we`re such nubmaxes!!1
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You are missing the point.

Name me 1 other alliance with the same policy as 1up ( this round, not rd 2 or 3).
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

what is your point, exactly ? that the other alliances weren`t tactically astute enough to lay out stable strategies for the round beforehand ? if so, then yes. I agree

but if your trying to make 1up`s policy sound detrimental just because others didnt think of it - lol. It`s quite obvious, there was a reason for p-naps to be instigated, and that is to help us to win. which is, what we have done. don`t try and make it sound as if, it was morally or strategically bad tactic, because in both cases, it wasn`t. sue our hc for playing on, the selfishness of your/other 'top' alliances members.
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( just don't attack any gal with a aliance m8 in it).
hmm... that sounds vaguely familiar.... hmmmmmm......

its almost like a... its similar to a...

OMG ITS A NAP!?!?!!!!!!1111 KILL!!! MAIM!!!! BURN TEH WITCH!!!!11111




(the only difference to our policy being that people in those gals with alliance m8s who do attack 1up become valid targets...)

Do you realize you are suggesting a policy thats actually MORE lenient and involves more 'NAPs' than 1ups policy?

good grief... idiots :/
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ROLFMAO sew funny, but i must say the non napping is well kept ^_-
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/me sighs

You are missing the point.

Name me 1 other alliance with the same policy as 1up ( this round, not rd 2 or 3).
I'd imagine most alliances chose not to attack galaxies with their own members in, unless those galaxies contained genuinely hostile planets.

Do you think LCH (as an example) routinely attacked galaxies with their own members in, for no other reason than grabbing a few roids?
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He isn't - he says it makes sense for an alliance, because it makes sense for an alliance
What would you know about alliances, punk.
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Well, i wasn't 1up and i had a decent round i'm sure many others did as well.

I don't see what your really getting at in this post, i mean are you accusing 1up of being bad by recruiting good players? Interesting ;/

Well done 1up and Sid. They simply were the best alliance in the round.
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it was/is sweet. shockingly, beating alliances who even after targetting us specifically, because of our policies and effort, gives a good sweet winning feeling.
your so right, bitch
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thanks to everyone for the congratulations. its heart warmingly
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

There are some very misguided people on these forums.

First of all 1up didn't attack their own galaxies and are being flamed for it? i refuse to believe every player flaming has only played 1 round of PA. Every round since pa began alliances didn't attack their own members, rounds are often plagued with the problems of "enemy" alliances within the galaxies. From an officer point of view its almost impossible to plan regarding it, round after round players set their priorities as "galaxy" then "alliance". The only way to avoid this situation is if all alliances make their galaxies "alliance only", not blocks, just their alliance and neutrals. Problem is with random joiners thats very difficult, but even if people got around it no alliance be it 1up, LCH or any1 else would make a rule that their galaxies had just their alliance in it.

Personally i think the players that accepted the naps should be kicked from their alliances, as it is these people that cost their alliances, and their "friends" the round. What i said earlier about galaxy first, then alliance isn't entirely true as the real truth is "planet first" then galaxy, then alliance.

At the end of the day 1up played the game, they played PA the way it has always been played and they won the round. If people really wanna congradulate Sid for his politics then look at how it happened, he just see's, perhaps more than others, how selfish players are. 1up won last round cause they were more active than others and cause they inspired a lot of fear. The naps people are whining about , that would have been any alliance, look at the rankings thru-out pa history and you will see loads of players in the "loosing" alliance that were under protection and so finished far higher than the main stay of their alliance.

You can't change pa, ok powerblocks didn't play as much last round but like some1 said earlier cause of the napped players attacking with and even defending 1up it made their member base seem massively higher. The only options are as such, make galaxies with your alliance and neutrals only, that would ensure that what happened last round doesn't happen again. Added to that as players make sure your priority is to your alliance and that you act with dignity, or leave your alliance. Lastly and possibly the only realistic options, alliance HC stop being such pussies. If players accept naps from your enemies then kick them from your alliance, its a joke that while some protected players finished top100 the rest of your members suffered, if alliances were more firm in enforcing loyalty what happened last round would not happen again.
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Re: congrats to sid & 1up

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Everybody trying to take a piss at 1 up should stfu.
Instead of bitching about 1up on these forums should have just played better this round.

So what if they gave out naps to planets in 1up gals? I think it's normal not to hit gals with alliance members in it.

So what if sid helped make the shipstats? As these were known well before the round started, he didn't have anything to do with the last changes made to them and there was still the beta in which everybody had a chance of testing the stats.

I think that what we are seeing here is just a bunch of people who can't accept the fact that 1up just basicly owned.
Cheers on a round very well played Sid & co
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Bravo! I have newfound respect for ToF

So easy for others to blame their shortcomings on other "evilness"
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