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Pinkerton · 23 Oct 2005, 02:22

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, ..... but gal mates can scan your planet no matter how many distorters you have??? So even if they are in an enemy alliance they can scan you? so there is no point in building distorters?

Doorsdown · 23 Oct 2005, 03:52

yes there is as only planets you are attacking can fa you plus there is only 1 bp per gal

Pinkerton · 26 Oct 2005, 04:12

bp? its probably really simple but....what is it anyway?

Ultimate Newbie · 26 Oct 2005, 04:34

bp = Buddy Pack or Blood Pressure. Context such as the telly shows Grey's Anatomy, House, and The Surgeon bp is likely to be blood pressure. For Planetarion, it means Buddy Pack

(ie, its the 5 mates who will land all in the same galaxy together after the universal shuffle at tick 36).

Rick James · 26 Oct 2005, 04:34

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Originally Posted by Pinkerton

bp? its probably really simple but....what is it anyway?

Buddy Pack

Rick James · 26 Oct 2005, 04:35

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Originally Posted by Pinkerton

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, ..... but gal mates can scan your planet no matter how many distorters you have??? So even if they are in an enemy alliance they can scan you? so there is no point in building distorters?

It all comes down to trusting your gal mates.

Rick James · 26 Oct 2005, 04:37

lol UN you were a few seconds faster!

Ultimate Newbie · 26 Oct 2005, 04:48

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Originally Posted by Rick James

lol UN you were a few seconds faster!

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Edit: to avoid this just being spam, i will try and help out a little bit too:

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Originally Posted by Pinkerton

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, ..... but gal mates can scan your planet no matter how many distorters you have??? So even if they are in an enemy alliance they can scan you? so there is no point in building distorters?

To clarify; your galaxymates can scan you with everything except Fleet Analysis scans (unless you are sending a fleet to them). This shouldnt change much at all, as regardless of how many Jammers you have it is almost certain that someone out there will be able to scan you.

This is discussed further Here, Here, and Here.

NitinA · 26 Oct 2005, 08:44

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Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

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To clarify; your galaxymates can scan you with everything except Fleet Analysis scans (unless you are sending a fleet to them). This shouldnt change much at all, as regardless of how many Jammers you have it is almost certain that someone out there will be able to scan you.

Actually, it's quite a large change. If a member of an enemy alliance is in your galaxy, they can scan you with 1 amp and get through despite how many distorters you have. So, yes, distorters are pointless now because a newbie planet in your galaxy, or any planet in your galaxy can now sell you out to an opposing alliance (to yours) for giving them a planetary NAP if you scan for them. Though I do think that structure-killers being off-roiding class is a *bit* of a counter balance (with the exception of Zik, since they can use the CR/BS combo). But all in all, distorters are now more useless, Planetary NAPs in exchage for scans is now a good meta-game strategy, and expierenced players/people playing to be top being paranoid of galaxy security now will play a larger roles in exiles.

It's not regardless. For instance, people who used to be distorter whores with 146 distorters used to be able to be scanned by only dedicated scanners who had built up many, many amps & finding one of these scanners *and* having him online to do a jgp would make distorters a very useful strategy. Now, in addition to the perhaps 20 people who could previously scan you thoughout the universe, that number would be multiplied by alliance mates--who at least you can trust--but also by galaxy randoms, spies, and people who can be bought, bribed, or blackmail to scan within galaxies.

-NitinA

Neferti · 26 Oct 2005, 20:46

On the other hand, as far as I'm concerned the best use of distorters is to stop fleet scans by targets. This has not changed.

Ultimate Newbie · 27 Oct 2005, 01:51

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On the other hand, as far as I'm concerned the best use of distorters is to stop fleet scans by targets. This has not changed.

That's largely what i was refering to. Personally, i consider Jammers as totally an offensive tool designed to increase the likelihood of success in attack (particularly for Terran and Ziks). As a defensive tool, the huge majority of Jammer-wh0res can be scanned by most alliance scanners so its not as useful as in attack, where only your target can Fleet scan you.

That's what i was getting to - in my view it changes nothing in the defensive scenario as an unsavoury galmate wont need to JGP you; a paste of the galaxy status will suffice, they wont need to planet/unit you; that's already available through alliance scanners, they arent able to Fleet scan you; unless you send a fleet to them to scan, and so in all those regards, the change isnt going to have too much of an impact on how people play.

Jammers are an offensive tool, not a defensive one. Any benefits from having Jammers in defence should be considered a bonus free of charge, imo.

Ali · 27 Oct 2005, 14:00

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standalone · 27 Oct 2005, 20:39

So we can say a Xan who has many distorters is a complete idiot. Doing surface scan on Xan peeps and makin a universal IQ test could be a hobby for bored guys.

Ultimate Newbie · 28 Oct 2005, 02:21

Indeed. Probably good for target selection too

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