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ChubbyChecker · 8 May 2005, 21:28

As we all know you need to have 800 roids for it to be economical to build a Finance Centre instead of a Refinery (the number of roids varies depending on how far down the Core Resources tech tree you are, how many Refineries you have built, how many Finance Centres you have built and how much Mining bonus you get). As things stand at the moment most people don't have 800 roids and I think this will also be true towards the end of the round.

The bigger planets out there are getting a huge advantage from their Finance Centres. At the moment the planet with the most roids has 3662 roids. He is getting 4577 resources per tick per Finance Centre. This is obscene people!

So I think the best thing to do is to scrap Finance Centres for next round.

Refineries are fine, they can stay

Gerbie · 8 May 2005, 22:20

seconded

Ultimate Newbie · 9 May 2005, 01:07

Perhaps finance centres could be adjusted to increase their yield, but reduce the maximum number of them.

say, each one gave you +10% instead of 5%, but you are restricted to at most 20 of them (instead of the current 60). This would have the effect of making them more viable for a much greater number of planets, but reducing their capacity to permit the largest planets from running away and growing exponentially with them.

Obviously, each finance centre would give you more resources this way, but overall give less.

ComradeRob · 9 May 2005, 01:29

I disagree.

Whilst I agree with the basic sentiment (that finance centers give a big advantage to large planets), removing them would simply result in the big planets having a lot more wave amps, distorters and security centers. This would remove many of the tactical options which can currently be used against them.

Doorsdown · 9 May 2005, 01:52

and just be cause this round not meny people have high roid counts does mean this will be true in other round and they could very well be of use though some upgrades to them would be nice

noah02 · 10 May 2005, 18:45

i like finance centres

Gumbie · 10 May 2005, 19:14

don't they give .5 not 5? 10% per centre x 20 centres = too much monies

But I agree in that finance centres don't work for caths as a high gain high loss race, and benefit one group of players over another to a rather hyped extent. Plus it helps Xans, which I'm usually opposed to. Stupid equal resource cost ships

Squishy · 10 May 2005, 21:10

/me pets his 60 FCs and grins

what yall complaining about their great

noah02 · 11 May 2005, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Squishy

/me pets his 60 FCs and grins

what yall complaining about their great

/me pats his to

I have had mine for a few weeks now i have to concur

hellsmurf · 12 May 2005, 14:00

finance center gives u plus 1,5 % res/tick...

so bout 250 roids(with one res. reseach) u get over 1k res... total... so it would be better as one refinery....

so where the prob...
and i dont build mining centers... if i start with finance centers.... they will gave me every time 1,5% and not only 1k.... so what

AND if i dont have mining centers... i would push it in dissorters lol
or amps...

s|k · 13 May 2005, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellsmurf

finance center gives u plus 1,5 % res/tick...

so bout 250 roids(with one res. reseach) u get over 1k res... total... so it would be better as one refinery....

so where the prob...
and i dont build mining centers... if i start with finance centers.... they will gave me every time 1,5% and not only 1k.... so what

AND if i dont have mining centers... i would push it in dissorters lol
or amps...

Your math is completely flawed

You're not even making half that.

hellsmurf · 13 May 2005, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by s|k

Your math is completely flawed

You're not even making half that.

nope

250*250+planetmining*0,015= bout 1k res

ChubbyChecker · 14 May 2005, 06:49

hellsmurf, it's 0.5% (so 250*250+planetmining*0.005 = a lot less than 1k res)

RTFM

Ultimate Newbie · 14 May 2005, 07:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChubbyChecker

hellsmurf, it's 0.5% (so 250*250+planetmining*0.005 = a lot less than 1k res)

RTFM

Hmm. i was under the impression that finance centres give 0.5% of each resource - thus 0.5% * 3 = 0.15%. cf to Mines which give 1000 of one resource.

s|k · 14 May 2005, 07:23

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Originally Posted by hellsmurf

nope

250*250+planetmining*0,015= bout 1k res

So wtf, according to your erroneous formula you only get a fianance center bonus on what your planet mines. Which would have to be a negative number in order to bring (250 * 250) down to "bout 1k res" Good job. Great argument. Really.

Ultimate Newbie · 14 May 2005, 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

Perhaps finance centres could be adjusted to increase their yield, but reduce the maximum number of them.

say, each one gave you +10% instead of 5%, but you are restricted to at most 20 of them (instead of the current 60). This would have the effect of making them more viable for a much greater number of planets, but reducing their capacity to permit the largest planets from running away and growing exponentially with them.

Obviously, each finance centre would give you more resources this way, but overall give less.

I know quoting yourself is lame, but i think my (imo

) brilliant idea didnt get any recognition whatsoever - whilst it would appear to me to give the best of both worlds.

discuss

Ultimate Newbie · 14 May 2005, 07:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by s|k

So wtf, according to your erroneous formula you only get a fianance center bonus on what your planet mines. Which would have to be a negative number in order to bring (250 * 250) down to "bout 1k res" Good job. Great argument. Really.

Obviously he meant to include brackets there mate. Some people (like me) arent all that good with maths and/or just forget the BIMDAS rules.

Thus:

(250*250+planetmining)*0,015= bout 1k res

s|k · 14 May 2005, 07:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

Hmm. i was under the impression that finance centres give 0.5% of each resource - thus 0.5% * 3 = 0.15%. cf to Mines which give 1000 of one resource.

A roid doesn't give you 250 res for each type of res. It only gives you 250 res for one type. The type it is. A finance center only give you .005 res PER ROID. NOT PER ROID PER RESOURCE. wtf are you people smoking?

READ ------> http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=184688

s|k · 14 May 2005, 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

Obviously he meant to include brackets there mate. Some people (like me) arent all that good with maths and/or just forget the BIMDAS rules.

Thus:

(250*250+planetmining)*0,015= bout 1k res

No, it's not obvious that he meant to include them. Yes, you are bad at math.

ChubbyChecker · 14 May 2005, 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

I know quoting yourself is lame, but i think my (imo

) brilliant idea didnt get any recognition whatsoever - whilst it would appear to me to give the best of both worlds.

discuss

Well, reducing the bonus of Finance Centres from 30% to 20% would help. However the problem still remains that big planets are getting more resources out of it than small planets. I still think the better solution would be to remove Finance Centres altogether.

ComradeRob · 14 May 2005, 10:01

Finance centers might give extra resources, but at the cost of either security centers, research labs or wave amps. Lack of any of those three can be a huge tactical disadvantage, one that can outweigh the benefits of finance centers. It's a strategic choice, and a fairly balanced one at that.

Regarding small planets... can't they just build refineries instead of FCs?

Bodders · 15 May 2005, 00:08

Limiting them might be a good idea but most ppl tend to be paranoid about security and go for jammers and security centers so it would not make much of a difference. Based on what ive have seen this round.

Overall i like it how it is leaves you open to many possibilites to copmliment ur strategy.

noah02 · 17 May 2005, 00:05

This game is all about choices the more we have the better

ChubbyChecker · 17 May 2005, 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodders

Limiting them might be a good idea but most ppl tend to be paranoid about security and go for jammers and security centers so it would not make much of a difference. Based on what ive have seen this round.

Overall i like it how it is leaves you open to many possibilites to copmliment ur strategy.

That is true. The other day I saw a guy who had 2000 roids, 30 distorters and not a single Finance Centre. Very strange. If I had that many roids I'd get 60 Finance Centres as soon as possible.

Kal · 23 May 2005, 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

Perhaps finance centres could be adjusted to increase their yield, but reduce the maximum number of them.

say, each one gave you +10% instead of 5%, but you are restricted to at most 20 of them (instead of the current 60). This would have the effect of making them more viable for a much greater number of planets, but reducing their capacity to permit the largest planets from running away and growing exponentially with them.

Obviously, each finance centre would give you more resources this way, but overall give less.

I think thats a reasonable idea.

ChubbyChecker · 7 Jun 2005, 13:33

I've changed my mind, Finance Centres should stay, and as they are.

As has already been mentioned 60 Finance Centres is a large chunk of your total Structures. Having these drastically reduces the number of amps and distorters you can have, thereby increasing the tactical options for attackers and attackees alike. Do you build distorters to make people not want to launch at you? Or do you build Finance Centres to make yourself roid-skinny thereby making people not want to launch at you?