[Declined] Turing test: Larger text

[Eol]

I find that the turing test pic at login is really hard to read. I keep getting the answers wrong because it's just so hard to see what operator or numbers are used, no matter the squinting I do...

Or would it be a problem with regards to making it easier for bots to make the text larger?

[JohnDoe]

I agree 100%

[Rc mayhem]

I get around 1 t o2 wrong every other day cos numbers like 6 8 0 and 9 all look the same with a line through part of them.

[Kal]

tbh my main failigns are on the capital cities of silly scandinavian countries no one cares about

[Rc mayhem]

yeah. i know oslo but i dont have a clue how you correctly spell the capitol of sweeden

[Eol]

Originally Posted by Rc mayhem

yeah. i know oslo but i dont have a clue how you correctly spell the capitol of sweeden

Yea. I'd also suggest a bit of fuzzy logic. I mean, seriously what's the difference between cyrstal and crystal? Blatantly the chance that this is a human is higher with the misspelling.

[Rc mayhem]

unless your dyslexic, in which case anything where you have to spell will be hard and they will get wrong. We should remember that PA should be accessible to all

[The Real Arfy]

have a simple multiple choice option... and make them incredibly easy, i.e.

what is the capital of sweden:

a) sausage
b) hairy
c) stockholm

clearly is option C, so you type in C.

OFC, theres a 1 in 3 chance of success/fail so please elaborate on my idea

[Rc mayhem]

That system has the problem that you said you would type C, whereas I would write stockholm and someone else may write c)

[Eol]

Originally Posted by Rc mayhem

That system has the problem that you said you would type C, whereas I would write stockholm and someone else may write c)

Yea. And this would be impossible to accomodate for in the code.

[Eol]

Originally Posted by The Real Arfy

have a simple multiple choice option... and make them incredibly easy, i.e.

what is the capital of sweden:

a) sausage
b) hairy
c) stockholm

clearly is option C, so you type in C.

OFC, theres a 1 in 3 chance of success/fail so please elaborate on my idea

I'd favour radio buttons and pictures. Like, show a picture of a cat, and give options: "What is this a picture of?" [ ] Nuclear Submarine [ ] Calculator [ ] Cat.

Obviously this may have backsides in terms for "image database size", bandwidth and so on.

[DrunkenViking]

Originally Posted by Kal

tbh my main failigns are on the capital cities of silly scandinavian countries no one cares about

yer me too, especially when i live in scandinavia, types it correct and still get an error :|

[Linkie]

wouldn't it be incredibly easy for a bot to move through a multiple choice? I mean, you need quite a few errors, let a bot try c everytime and eventually it will be correct.

[Eol]

Originally Posted by Linkie

wouldn't it be incredibly easy for a bot to move through a multiple choice? I mean, you need quite a few errors, let a bot try c everytime and eventually it will be correct.

You could have 10 options. And if it weren't for these really "weird" questions (either through inability to *see* the question, or questions about knowledge like what is the capital of Burkina Faso), I don't think there'd be that many errors.

[Rc mayhem]

Burkino Faso RoxS!!!! and i would get a Q on the capitol right any multi choice would have to be intersperced with some of the text Qs we have now so you dont get a 1 in 3 or 1 in 10 chance of been right.

[Kal]

more options = bigger image = people complaining

[Vencedor]

Well.. I get a lot wrong, due to not being able to read numbers, and not knowing capital cities...
BUT, I've never had my account closed due to too many wrong answers so I don't care really
But if you're going to change it...

Originally Posted by The Real Arfy

have a simple multiple choice option... and make them incredibly easy, i.e.

what is the capital of sweden:

a) sausage
b) hairy
c) stockholm

clearly is option C, so you type in C.

OFC, theres a 1 in 3 chance of success/fail so please elaborate on my idea

Use that way but state "You must type the entire answer, NOT the letter" or something.
The picture would still only be 10kb (if that) and dial-up would be fine...
but, like I saw someone else say, you can rule a game by it's connections or we never would have HL, HL2, CS, etc

[mist]

Originally Posted by Kal

more options = bigger image = people complaining

i'd imagine that 'real' images would draw less criticism from those on mobile phones than the illegibilities you send them at the moment. and if people can deal with it on one of those little screens, i'd imagine people on a computer can learn to cope

-mist

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by Vencedor

The picture would still only be 10kb (if that) and dial-up would be fine...
but, like I saw someone else say, you can rule a game by it's connections or we never would have HL, HL2, CS, etc

Dude that was me!

I agree that some of the number questions get me - especially ones where lines go through 6,8,9,0 and they all look the same.

Some images of simple things. e.g. cat, dog, tree, fish, would work well - but how to get around the problem of a bot just gessing c) all the time and getting in on the 3rd attempt?

They way i suggest is to have a few images, each with multiple choices.



with 1 image and 4 options the chance of just guessing the answer is 1 in 4.
with 2 images with 4 options the chance is 1 in 4, and 1 in 4 again. 1:4 x 1:4 = 1:16
with 3 images with 4 options the chance is 1 in 64
and with 4 images with 4 options the chance is 1 in 256 attempts. Not really worth a bot trying cause there is a massive chance of getting the account locked and you then can't blame not knowing the capital city of finland...

With 4 images with 4 options it doesn't take long to login. click, click, click, click and you're in. Thats probably faster than working out 7 * 9 or working out how to spell Copenhagen

[Random]

Hellcat, I think you're overcomplicating the issue.. the biggest problem for most people is the mathematical questions are too difficult to read. I don't know about everyone else but I rarely ever get the ones wrong when it asks you to type a word such as "terran". Why is it necessary for the bot check to test our knowledge when all it needs to do is make sure we able to read and correctly re-type a word into a box?

[Bashar]

Originally Posted by Rc mayhem

That system has the problem that you said you would type C, whereas I would write stockholm and someone else may write c)

If you are having all questions multiple choice, make the input box 1 character long.

[Eol]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

*snip*

I really really like the example you made.

Still, it is a secondary discussion. Primary: Get a turing test that is actually readable, pls.

[Vencedor]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

They way i suggest is to have a few images, each with multiple choices.

I like that idea a lot

[macros69]

Originally Posted by Random

Hellcat, I think you're overcomplicating the issue.. the biggest problem for most people is the mathematical questions are too difficult to read. I don't know about everyone else but I rarely ever get the ones wrong when it asks you to type a word such as "terran". Why is it necessary for the bot check to test our knowledge when all it needs to do is make sure we able to read and correctly re-type a word into a box?

I agree i never took geography and even if i do know the capital of australia ...... dont ask me how to spell it. What is the problem with asking the same quesions minus the capital city or general knowledge ones and just making them bigger??

[Kal]

I don;t think the login picture is a major problem and its not something we want to put a lot of work into atm - Declined