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Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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"Hopefully, if we pull up their pants," he said, "we can lift their minds while we're at it."
That's the spirit.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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And down the bayou in the town of Westwego, a city councilman in 2002 attempted to bar low-riding jeans from public buildings. (The city attorney warned the city would interfere with freedom of speech and would not meet federal standards, so the councilman later ditched the proposal.)
Freedom of speech?
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

Freedom of expression I guess. <Insert number here>th amendment or something.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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Freedom of expression I guess. <Insert number here>th amendment or something.
If what clothes you wear is covered by "freedom of expression", then surely all US decency laws are unconstitutional?
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

I support public nudity, except with fat chicks and men.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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I support public nudity, except with fat chicks and men.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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Trousers you ****ing southern fairy pufter.
I know what they are.
I am just querying why an americanism is unashamedly used here.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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I am just querying why an americanism is unashamedly used here.
How about nod's use of the word "socialism"?
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

Let me get this right, they get into a big tizzy about their rights to wear their pants low but nothing is still said about the rights abuses of people sent to guantanamo?
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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How about nod's use of the word "socialism"?
But that was just trolling.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

this is absolutely disgusting.

also, in the poll on the webstie, about 35% support the bill (with 20ish percent against and 45% who dont care). i thought the internet was supposed to be free? well, at least its apathetic
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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How about nod's use of the word "socialism"?
I tend to use socialist and authoritarian interchangably these days, since the expansion of most Western governments over the last 50 years or so has been almost a direct result of socialist policies (as has its standard justification).
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I tend to use socialist and authoritarian interchangably these days, since the expansion of most Western governments over the last 50 years or so has been almost a direct result of socialist policies (as has its standard justification).
I don't really see how public nudity type laws have anything to do with socialism though (outside of socialism==evil, this==evil, therefore, this==socialism or something).

We've had "decency" laws (or at least bullying people into following a certain type of behaviour for reasons of morality, etc) for a lot longer than socialism has been around. Even longer than nation states in most cases.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

Its a cause and effect thing. Socialism has caused most governments to grow to the point where most people no longer even bother asking whether a particular action lies within the proper juristriction of government.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

That's a strange argument. So, if you thought governments had historically grown because of wars you would have labelled the thread "War Thread for Today: Americans try to ban low-cut pants"?
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

Yeah probably, but I might have been witty and called it "America declares war on low cut pants".
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

Oh, OK. You're in-line with the Trots then. They call everything "Imperialist" even if it's nothing to do with imperialism.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

yeah but communists are generally morons.
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yeah but communists are generally morons.
Yeah, this is true.
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

at the moment im having the same arguement with my manager at work, i wear my trousers low because that is comfortable to me, i do not feel comfortable with my trousers at the 'proper' height. ive worn my trousers at the same height at work for 2+ years now, you cannot see any of my ass, just my beautiful boxers but the height a person wears their trouseres does not effect in any way, the person they are, how clever they are, or how pre-desposed towards crime they are, for some its just a fashion statement, for others it is the way they are comfortable, goddamn fascist yanks imposing crappy laws
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

Nannyism is the norm. Only in America has there been a shift from unblemished utopia to civilised society. Rome was far worse.
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Yeah probably, but I might have been witty and called it "America declares war on low cut pants".
How about "Louisiana Legislators declare war on low cut pants"?

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Socialism has nothing to do with it being an accepted part of political discourse. It's authoritarian Conservative-esque moralism, which has existed independent of Socilalism for hundreds of years. (Yes, even in America.)

I suppose Nod will probably try and blame Socialism for The Ancien Regime before long.

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Anyway, what the **** is the point of these threads except as to serve as a sort of prop to Nod's paranoia?

Can we have some proper news, please, that people actually care about?
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is this "the new south" ?
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Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

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Socialism has nothing to do with it being an accepted part of political discourse. It's authoritarian Conservative-esque moralism, which has existed independent of Socilalism for hundreds of years. (Yes, even in America.)

I suppose Nod will probably try and blame Socialism for The Ancien Regime before long.
Its socialist in that as far as I can tell this ruling is intended to apply to 'public places', regardless of who owns them, ie the primary issue here is the revoking of private property rights in the interest of the common good.

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Its socialist in that as far as I can tell this ruling is intended to apply to 'public places', regardless of who owns them, ie the primary issue here is the revoking of private property rights in the interest of the common good.
If we're taking that as a definition of socialism then I'm happy you're calling this socialist, but on the whole that seems mainly rhetorical. It's like defining capitalism as "exploitation of poor people" and then going round calling various bad things capitalist.

It's all good.
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Exclamation Re: Socialism thread for 14/5/04: Americans try to ban lowcut pants

Practically all ideologies infringe on private property rights to some extent, apart from Anarcho-Liberalism, etc. Although the only ideologies you really recognise are Socialism and Liberalism, (With Socialism beign 'bad' and statist, and Liberalism being 'good') so the point is pretty moot. Again, you are giving methods and actions with a certain ideological character which they don't really posses.

It's the actual motivating intent, and the result of that action that are important. In this case, it's southern Conservatives getting hot about contemporary fashion.

Legislating on keeping skirts of a certain length has very little to do, in intention or result, with the redistribution of wealth, as far as I can tell.

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