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Unread 23 Jan 2004, 12:16   #1
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Mars express has detected frozen water on the surface of mars!
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URL? Or lie?
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'Mars express' inclines me to believe it's a lie.
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'Mars express' inclines me to believe it's a lie.
Mars express is the european probe in mars orbit (if u intended to make a joke about how esa is unable to find their own bottom leave alone water on mars then u should have added )
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Re: Water found on Mars
Just heard it on radio1 - must be true then!

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Re: Water found on Mars
It's good news, especially if we want to make a colony.
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It's good news, especially if we want to make a colony.
Not really as the place where colonies are suggested aint at the poles but at equatorial regions and it may be cheaper just to send water from earth.
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Re: Water found on Mars
I hope the colonisation of Mars doesn't reduce property prices.
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Re: Water found on Mars
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Not really as the place where colonies are suggested aint at the poles but at equatorial regions and it may be cheaper just to send water from earth.
Have you seen the price of Evian?!

(I stopped at petrol station before and didnt realise youcould get water for free so topped windscreen wiper thing up with Evian!!)
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Have you seen the price of Evian?!
Have you seen the Pacific Ocean?
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Reminds me of when I went to see Jasper Carrott a couple of weeks ago. He made a joke about Newark, then said "well what else can you expect from a place thats an anagram of wanker"
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It's good news, especially if we want to make a colony.
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Re: Water found on Mars
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Have you seen the Pacific Ocean?
the pacific ocean is saltwater. would cost far too much, and its very uneconomical to distillate the water. The earth has a severe lack of freshwater in comparison

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the pacific ocean is saltwater. would cost far too much, and its very uneconomical to distillate the water. The earth has a severe lack of freshwater in comparison
If you're trying to tell me that we don't convert seawater to drinking water, then I don't believe you.

(Sim City 3000 let me build desalination plants, and I'm working on the assumption that computer games never lie.)
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heh, distilling water on mars would probably be ridiculously easy, since it's ridiculously hot during the day and freezing at night
if you set up your kit for sundown, you could evaporate all your water, bang it gets dark and it condenses, then it all freezes and you can cart it away easily
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Desalination is pretty expensive (depending on how it's done) but I think importing bottled water from Mars might be a bit pricey too...
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err...maybe was I dreaming, but I was under the impression that they discovered that mars has polar ice caps a while back....?
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err...maybe was I dreaming, but I was under the impression that they discovered that mars has polar ice caps a while back....?
Well they knew it had ice caps, but it could well have been another frozen chemical, like carbon dioxide maybe (dry ice)
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err...maybe was I dreaming, but I was under the impression that they discovered that mars has polar ice caps a while back....?
First they said it didn't have water, then they said it did, then they changed their minds and said it didn't again. Now it looks like they've changed their minds again.

Not that it really matters either way
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'Mars express' inclines me to believe it's a lie.

why did you think that dude?
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hay, so it is like water mixed with CO2. I guess they could can the stuff and send it back, and it will be like ready made mars soda
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Well they knew it had ice caps, but it could well have been another frozen chemical, like carbon dioxide maybe (dry ice)
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NASA's Mars Odyssey, also an orbiter, confirmed water ice at the north pole, along with dry ice -- frozen carbon dioxide -- in 2002. It picked up signs of hydrogen at the south pole, the first indication that water ice might be found there.
I wasn't dreaming, and they did know about water
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why did you think that dude?
Read on, and find out.

Oh, and the water is likely to be sealed within the crystalline matrices of rocks, not as a big underground icecube.
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Buh, nothing new. We have known there was something on the caps and its still something. It could be frozen Martian Pee for all we know. The question is, and always has been, exactly how does it exist on mars (frozen water cubes mixed with gravel?) and is it water or something else.

All they know for sure, is that Hydrogen exist.
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Buh, nothing new. We have known there was something on the caps and its still something. It could be frozen Martian Pee for all we know. The question is, and always has been, exactly how does it exist on mars (frozen water cubes mixed with gravel?) and is it water or something else.

All they know for sure, is that Hydrogen exist.
Hydrogen is usually a pretty good indicator for water, given that we know oxygen's there.

I don't get what you're asking when you say 'how did it get there', though.

The local hydrogen reacted with the local oxygen, the usual way you get water.
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I want them to find beer on mars
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I want them to find beer on mars
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Hydrogen is usually a pretty good indicator for water, given that we know oxygen's there.

I don't get what you're asking when you say 'how did it get there', though.

The local hydrogen reacted with the local oxygen, the usual way you get water.
What if the hydrogen mixed with Clorine (which easily mixes with just about any other elemant). Not something I would want to drink.
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What if the hydrogen mixed with Clorine (which easily mixes with just about any other elemant). Not something I would want to drink.
Well, it's not liquid so it would be quite hard.

And noone's saying it's ALL water duder. It's just statistically impossible that water isn't present.
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Hydrogen is usually a pretty good indicator for water, given that we know oxygen's there.

I don't get what you're asking when you say 'how did it get there', though.

The local hydrogen reacted with the local oxygen, the usual way you get water.
Planets don't make water, for the most part.

The earth's water is thought to have been part of the original accretion or perhaps added later by comets; not formed by local oxygen reacting with local hydrogen. First because free oxygen is too reactive to last long (absent plant life to replenish it), and second free hydrogen tends to evaporate off all but the largest planets.

The presense of hydrogen on Mars is significant because it's evidence that water is present and is breaking down (due to solar ultraviolet radiation); not that water is being formed.
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Planets don't make water, for the most part.

The earth's water is thought to have been part of the original accretion or perhaps added later by comets; not formed by local oxygen reacting with local hydrogen. First because free oxygen is too reactive to last long (absent plant life to replenish it), and second free hydrogen tends to evaporate off all but the largest planets.

The presense of hydrogen on Mars is significant because it's evidence that water is present and is breaking down (due to solar ultraviolet radiation); not that water is being formed.
If you hadn't noticed, my answer was a tad facetious.
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It's good news, especially if we want to make a colony.
A-har! It's all becoming clear now.

Remember how the British basically got to a new country put the Union-Jack down and said, right this is now ours. Beagle's mission was probably similar.
  1. Wait for Mar Express to find water.
  2. Navigate Beagle to that area and place the Union Jack down.
Volia Mars is now a part of the United Kingdom! Genious (if Beagle hadn't have crashed and burnt that is).

...when will the old empire-like ideas die...
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A-har! It's all becoming clear now.

Remember how the British basically got to a new country put the Union-Jack down and said, right this is now ours. Beagle's mission was probably similar.
  1. Wait for Mar Express to find water.
  2. Navigate Beagle to that area and place the Union Jack down.
Volia Mars is now a part of the United Kingdom! Genious (if Beagle hadn't have crashed and burnt that is).

...when will the old empire-like ideas die...
You think Beagle's not reporting back because it's broken?

Beagle's not reporting back because it's too busy planting the Union Flag on every land mass on Mars.
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Well, it's not liquid so it would be quite hard.

And noone's saying it's ALL water duder. It's just statistically impossible that water isn't present.
Europa has oceans of ammonia in theory.
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Europa has oceans of ammonia in theory.
I thought the current thinking was that it was water.
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I feel www.beagleconspiracy.co.uk needs reg'ing.
Don't forget about the Beagle sabotaging the yank lander.
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I thought the current thinking was that it was water.
No, the accept worldwide theory is it has oceans, warm oceans. Ammonia is one of the possiable makeups of Mars polar caps AND europa since it is NH3.

All hydrogen presence proves (in theory) is that there is hydrogen. Not water, HCl Acid or Ammonia.
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No, the accept worldwide theory is it has oceans, warm oceans. Ammonia is one of the possiable makeups of Mars polar caps AND europa since it is NH3.

All hydrogen presence proves (in theory) is that there is hydrogen. Not water, HCl Acid or Ammonia.
That's not what I queried.
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ps http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/M...ess/index.html
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No, the accept worldwide theory is it has oceans, warm oceans. Ammonia is one of the possiable makeups of Mars polar caps AND europa since it is NH3.

All hydrogen presence proves (in theory) is that there is hydrogen. Not water, HCl Acid or Ammonia.

Warm by what standards? Should I get my beach stuff packed?
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one kilo of cargo taken there would cost around 3 kilos of gold, so its pretty hopeless to think that its feaseble
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one kilo of cargo taken there would cost around 3 kilos of gold, so its pretty hopeless to think that its feaseble
Aside from the really strange quantification of cost, WHERE are we going?
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Taking water from earth to mars.
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