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Weeks · 17 Nov 2003, 23:55

Not including the tabloids as, to be frank, the tabloid reading public's opinion just doesn't matter.

Although the tabloid version of The Independant is rather fetching.

Always been a big Guardian fan, however the Telegraph and more recently the Observer have both tickled my fancy.

Love you, bye.

ChubbyChecker · 17 Nov 2003, 23:57

Not being a Neanderthal I don't read newspapers.
I get my news online, where it's at!

Dante Hicks · 18 Nov 2003, 00:18

They're all shit. Although the Guardian can be approaching-OK. The Telegraph is truly dire. The Times is somewhere in the middle, closer to the dire side tho.

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 00:22

Ft.

Marilyn Manson · 18 Nov 2003, 00:26

The Guardian is good for some things, notably it's international section, and it sometimes has some decent collumns. Otherwise it's The Times.

The Telegraph is just for jumped-up Mail readers.

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 00:35

The Economist is probably my favourite newspaper, although it's far from broadsheet format.

Marilyn Manson · 18 Nov 2003, 00:42

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Originally Posted by inf

The Economist is probably my favourite newspaper, although it's far from broadsheet format.

I would call the Economist more of a magazine.

Although it is rather decent, at least, when it talks about social issues, international politics, and political commentary. When it talks about Economics or The EU, say, it's bias shines through, and you may as well be reading just about anything of the type.

Dante Hicks · 18 Nov 2003, 00:45

I used to subscribe to the economist while I was at uni, will probably do so again now I'm entitled to student rates again.

It's far superior to most newspapers, and while it's hideously biased (and it's politics completley different from mine) at least it's honest. Most of the broadsheets try to pretend they are vaguely impartial. Plus it's generally above the grotty business of party politics which the broadsheets too often wallow in.

Weeks · 18 Nov 2003, 00:49

in what way is the Economist biased?

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 00:51

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Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I would call the Economist more of a magazine.

Although it is rather decent, at least, when it talks about social issues, international politics, and political commentary. When it talks about Economics or The EU, say, it's bias shines through, and you may as well be reading just about anything of the type.

It's a newspaper.

Marilyn Manson · 18 Nov 2003, 00:54

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Originally Posted by inf

It's a newspaper.

Persuasive argument.

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 00:54

It's liberal, but it's a decent publication.

Marilyn Manson · 18 Nov 2003, 00:54

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Originally Posted by Weeks

in what way is the Economist biased?

Have you ever actually read it?

Dante Hicks · 18 Nov 2003, 00:55

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Originally Posted by Weeks

in what way is the Economist biased?

Um....have you ever read it? It's very pro-market and isn't particularly ashamed to admit it.

edit : MM does it again.

Weeks · 18 Nov 2003, 00:57

i've read it about twice.
as i don't know in which way it is biased it means i probably haven't read it that much doesn't it?

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 00:57

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Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Persuasive argument.

As well as the analysis, it covers the main business and political news of the week.

The Economist Newspaper Limited

LHC · 18 Nov 2003, 00:58

Broadsheets would be better if they were the same size as a tabloid, but without the bullshit stories.

They're just too big!

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 01:01

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Originally Posted by LHC

Broadsheets would be better if they were the same size as a tabloid, but without the bullshit stories.

They're just too big!

fold.

Weeks · 18 Nov 2003, 01:01

Read the Independant'd tabloid edition then.
Downside: Moving to London.

Marilyn Manson · 18 Nov 2003, 01:04

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Originally Posted by inf

As well as the analysis, it covers the main business and political news of the week.

The Economist Newspaper Limited

I was under the impression that the bulk of it's focus (Certainly the source of it's current status.) was around analysis and opinion rather than news. It's cerainly pretty silly to label it as a newspaper, since it's clearly something quite different to what would nomally be understood by that term.

I mean, who actually reads The Economist for news?

If it was a true newspaper, it probably wouldn't actualy survive.

pablissimo · 18 Nov 2003, 01:12

My Economist subscription ran out in September and I've yet to renew it, but the Guardian's the only paper I tend to enjoy reading.

And I hate reading The Times, oftentimes feels overly pretentious. The Independent used to be a good read, haven't taken a look in a while though.

Leshy · 18 Nov 2003, 01:14

NRC Handelsblad.

The fact that the UK doesn't have it, is the UK's fault.

Marilyn Manson · 18 Nov 2003, 01:15

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Originally Posted by pablissimo

And I hate reading The Times, oftentimes feels overly pretentious.

The Times is the last bastion of anti-peasantry.

pablissimo · 18 Nov 2003, 01:16

I can't read it without thinking 'Maggie wants me to be dead' =((

Bob The Scutter · 18 Nov 2003, 01:50

i dont read a paper... theres one that i sometimes come accross at my grandmas though and enjoy readin the soft news that no doubt would never get published in tabloids because it covers it a lot more, and doesnt appear to give biased views. and the sports section too, if ever i see a biased opinion lets say against manchester united, theres always another column with the opposite view, so its not too bad...

its the big thick one with loadsa different sections like News, Finance, Sport etc...

Deathjam|wee · 18 Nov 2003, 03:10

Dandy

MrL_JaKiri · 18 Nov 2003, 09:11

The Times.

Radical Edward · 18 Nov 2003, 09:23

I don't read broadsheets. knowing about who is killing who or whatever does not affect me in any way, so why waste brain cells storing such stuff.

Ste · 18 Nov 2003, 12:26

The Guardian... (i'm sure that will surprise anyone that has ever read any posts by me...)

It doesn't seem as biased as other papers, and when it is it is usually biased towards my views anyway.
It seemed to be the only paper to print pro and anti war articles before the war.
The G2 is brilliant, comedy sections are ace. Sports pullout on a monday has a great comedy section. Life pullout on a thursday is really good too - Science and technology - loads of stuff that interests me. And the Chatroom of the week has had me pissing myself for over a year (until they took it out of thursdays and put it into fridays... which I don't get

)
It's got a good layout that doesn't look as boring as the other broadsheets.
And it's 20p in my union.

Hostile · 18 Nov 2003, 13:19

considering the amount of sports/football threads there are on this forumn I'm surprised at the attacks on the Telegraph.

MrL_JaKiri · 18 Nov 2003, 13:20

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Originally Posted by Hostile

considering the amount of sports/football threads there are on this forumn I'm surprised at the attacks on the Telegraph.

Are you saying that Brigadier-General Hugh Wittingstall Poncemby-Smithe likes a bit of soccer?

pablissimo · 18 Nov 2003, 13:47

Tories tories tories tories tories tories tories tories tories tories tories tories mushroom mushroom

Nodrog · 18 Nov 2003, 13:51

The internet has rendered newpapers obsolete, but the Economist seems ok since its more about articles and opinions than actual 'news'. I've only ever read isolated articles from it rather than a complete publication though.

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Originally Posted by Weeks

Not including the tabloids as, to be frank, the tabloid reading public's opinion just doesn't matter..

Broadsheets are probably worse than tabloids because although most people tend to treat tabloids as a joke, broadsheet readers often believe that their papers are meant to be taken seriously.

ChubbyChecker · 18 Nov 2003, 13:54

I have a subscription to the Economist which I read for the in depth analyses they give on certain issues.
I get all the news I need from radio and TV.

Deepflow · 18 Nov 2003, 14:51

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Originally Posted by Ste

The Guardian... (i'm sure that will surprise anyone that has ever read any posts by me...)

It doesn't seem as biased as other papers, and when it is it is usually biased towards my views anyway.
It seemed to be the only paper to print pro and anti war articles before the war.
The G2 is brilliant, comedy sections are ace. Sports pullout on a monday has a great comedy section. Life pullout on a thursday is really good too - Science and technology - loads of stuff that interests me. And the Chatroom of the week has had me pissing myself for over a year (until they took it out of thursdays and put it into fridays... which I don't get

)
It's got a good layout that doesn't look as boring as the other broadsheets.
And it's 20p in my union.

what he said

especially the 20p bit

\o/

Proteus · 18 Nov 2003, 14:58

The Times.

Gayle29uk · 18 Nov 2003, 15:01

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Originally Posted by Weeks

Always been a big Guardian fan, however the Telegraph and more recently the Observer have both tickled my fancy.

Grauniad reader turning to the Torygraph? Welcome to the Darkside

Deepflow · 18 Nov 2003, 15:56

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Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

The agenda setting media are The Today Programme, the Evening Standard and to a lesser extent Newsnight, if you catch these you know as much as any broadsheet journalist.

??

MrL_JaKiri · 18 Nov 2003, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Proteus

The Times.

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Originally Posted by Gayle29uk

Grauniad reader turning to the Torygraph? Welcome to the Darkside

for using the lingo.

Although I refuse to call The Times The Thunderer, it's inelegant.

Cmdr_Cyrax · 18 Nov 2003, 16:10

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The Times.

lokken · 18 Nov 2003, 19:06

The Times

Telegraph too right, Guardian too left and I don't really know about the Independent.

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I was under the impression that the bulk of it's focus (Certainly the source of it's current status.) was around analysis and opinion rather than news. It's cerainly pretty silly to label it as a newspaper, since it's clearly something quite different to what would nomally be understood by that term.

I mean, who actually reads The Economist for news?

If it was a true newspaper, it probably wouldn't actualy survive.

Analysis and opinion of current affairs; the same as any other newspaper.

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

The Evening Standard is read by important people, it sets the issues to be discussed in the evening news and ussually for the next days. It has a wide readership amongst people who work in the city and in Whitehall many of whom are educated and affluent, and reaches millions of people, even those who don't buy the paper will catch the headline.

Apart from football, much of the news have already been covered in the earlier papers.

Marilyn Manson · 18 Nov 2003, 19:37

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Originally Posted by inf

Analysis and opinion of current affairs; the same as any other newspaper.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I was under the impression that the bulk of it's focus (Certainly the source of it's current status.) was around analysis and opinion rather than news. It's cerainly pretty silly to label it as a newspaper, since it's clearly something quite different to what would nomally be understood by that term.

I mean, who actually reads The Economist for news?

If it was a true newspaper, it probably wouldn't actualy survive.

Most newspapers don't focus on anaylsis anyway; merely reporting the news - no matter in whatever tone or manner, and how biased that may be.

Even in The Guardian, true opinion and analysis forms a minority of the content. (Certainly a lot less in content and detail than The Economist.)

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Most newspapers don't focus on anaylsis anyway; merely reporting the news - no matter in whatever tone or manner, and how biased that may be.

Even in The Guardian, true opinion and analysis forms a minority of the content. (Certainly a lot less in content and detail than The Economist.)

The broadsheets are full of analysis. The Economist is a newspaper.

MrL_JaKiri · 18 Nov 2003, 20:09

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Originally Posted by inf

The broadsheets are full of analysis. The Economist is a newspaper.

Out of the 30 odd pages of The Times, I'd say (barring major events, such as the Iraq war) that 3 at most of the pages are used for analysis.

Deepflow · 18 Nov 2003, 20:19

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Originally Posted by inf

The broadsheets are full of analysis. The Economist is a newspaper.

are those statements meant to link together and form an "argument"?

inf · 18 Nov 2003, 20:20

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Out of the 30 odd pages of The Times, I'd say (barring major events, such as the Iraq war) that 3 at most of the pages are used for analysis.

If there was no analysis, the paper would fit onto one page.

MrL_JaKiri · 18 Nov 2003, 20:24

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Originally Posted by inf

If there was no analysis, the paper would fit onto one page.

No it wouldn't.

And stop being obtuse please.

Marilyn Manson · 18 Nov 2003, 20:34

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Originally Posted by inf

The broadsheets are full of analysis.

If you are being truthful here, then you have clearly never read a broadhseet newspaper.

I prefer to think that you're being disengenuous, because you're not actually this stupid.