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11 Oct 2004, 17:26
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so...shuffle or not? (again)
I wanted to play very inactively as random this round, but not with 100% noobs in gal. (Like I'm currently with)
Are we gonna shuffle random planets or not? Do I have a chance of getting in a decent gal or should I just give up?
When will we get a certain answer? I've heard the "I hope we can avoid a shuffle" line from Spinner but leik I wanna know before tickstart or I won't pay. I don't think I'm alone on this (?)
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11 Oct 2004, 17:36
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
likely he cba to code a shuffler even tho Im kinda convinced one is needed aswell
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11 Oct 2004, 18:01
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
he did say one could be coded in #planetarion when the round had just started.
however, in typical pa style, i doubt anyone will know untill it happens
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11 Oct 2004, 18:54
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
if there were one it would probably be during protection rather than before tick start - also its hard to jucdge activity of a gal before tick start as well, i know quite a few people who will be active and who havn;t even logged in more than once.
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11 Oct 2004, 19:25
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
in that case, it's more important to know if there's going to be a shuffle - as i'd like to know whether i should bother playing the firest few days of my account in the hopes of getting a decent gal.
also, i believe there's a lot of gals set up channels with their randoms already. they'd probably like to know if anything's going to change
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11 Oct 2004, 22:12
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Who cares?
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
Dont think a shuffle could possibly harm the game in any way and would usually only do good.
Also announcing a shuffle before sign ups would discourage ppl from creating multiple accounts to land in the right gal and more of this abusive stuff which causes half empty gals and acc which are never gonna be logged into.
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11 Oct 2004, 22:17
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
SHUFFLE!!! but delete the 0 roid planets first...
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11 Oct 2004, 22:18
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
a shuffle is very much needed
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11 Oct 2004, 22:58
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
How about a full shuffle, no priv gals.
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11 Oct 2004, 23:53
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
how about a full reset of the game? I've heard a rumours that all the 0 roids players are blocking together to take us down! :/
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11 Oct 2004, 23:57
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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Originally Posted by alch
how about a full reset of the game? I've heard a rumours that all the 0 roids players are blocking together to take us down! :/
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12 Oct 2004, 01:20
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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how about a full reset of the game? I've heard a rumours that all the 0 roids players are blocking together to take us down! :/
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Okay - who shot their mouth off and gave up the plan. There goes the whole round now that eveyone know.
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12 Oct 2004, 01:27
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
shuffle at tick70?
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12 Oct 2004, 03:23
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
If the randoms aint shuffled to even out gals and give every private gal just as much chance to get active randoms, then the round will be serverly flawed from the start imo.
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
I agree, a shuffle is in order, with 5 random paid accounts put together and the rest of the gal filled with freebies. As for the priv gals with less than 5 paid, well too bad but it was their choice, give them only freebies
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12 Oct 2004, 06:39
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
I don't see a need for a shuffle. My gal is short planets but I have no interest in seeing a shuffle at all. They should have announced it before signups or before tick start if they are/were going to shuffle randoms.
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12 Oct 2004, 07:21
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
I really hope we will have a full shuffle of all randoms, for i landed in a gal with randoms only. Not, as promised, a 5priv 5 random one :-( And i kinda doubt activity is well known in this place.......
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
Even if most ppl see the need of a shuffle, its strange how the pa team see things differently.
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12 Oct 2004, 09:00
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
So the private galaxies with only a few paid planets will be left to die ? and become fed up with PA and will leave ?
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12 Oct 2004, 09:49
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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I don't see a need for a shuffle. My gal is short planets but I have no interest in seeing a shuffle at all. They should have announced it before signups or before tick start if they are/were going to shuffle randoms.
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What difference would it have made if you had known about a shuffle before tickstart??
Noone imo unless you were planning to abuse the fact that there wasnt gonna be a shuffle, if you gave out to much info to your randoms allready then its your own stupidity.
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12 Oct 2004, 10:13
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
It's gonna be a silly-lot of unfilled gals if there's no shuffle..
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12 Oct 2004, 11:10
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
the plan was always to merge some unfilled gals i think
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12 Oct 2004, 12:29
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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If the randoms aint shuffled to even out gals and give every private gal just as much chance to get active randoms, then the round will be serverly flawed from the start imo.
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12 Oct 2004, 12:45
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
take the priv ones and try to fill em up evenly with upgraded randoms and free ones
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12 Oct 2004, 13:25
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Jolt's best friend
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
my (vaguley educated) guess is that there will be no shuffle. firstly, becaue pa keep saying they want to avoid one if at all possible and their grip of what's neccessary isn't always top notch and secondly because there was no shuffle code, so spinner would have to either create or have created some - which judging from the fact that buddy packs couldn't be implimented seems unlikely.
however, pa does have 'zip' code, which will throw two gals together if they'll fit in to one gal. so, if you've got less than 5 people in your gal you may get dumped in with some others, if you've got more than 5 then odds are that's the number you're playing with.
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12 Oct 2004, 13:26
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
The general consensus is that something needs to be done and I have faith that something will be done in the interests of the game. I am in a private gal and there is only 2 of us, if they don't address the situation at tick start once were out of protection we will be easy targets and I won't continue the round with those type of odds.
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12 Oct 2004, 14:58
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
we really need a shuffle
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12 Oct 2004, 15:50
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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Originally Posted by mist
my (vaguley educated) guess is that there will be no shuffle. firstly, becaue pa keep saying they want to avoid one if at all possible and their grip of what's neccessary isn't always top notch and secondly because there was no shuffle code, so spinner would have to either create or have created some - which judging from the fact that buddy packs couldn't be implimented seems unlikely.
however, pa does have 'zip' code, which will throw two gals together if they'll fit in to one gal. so, if you've got less than 5 people in your gal you may get dumped in with some others, if you've got more than 5 then odds are that's the number you're playing with.
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spinner said he could code a shuffler easily, and it could b done during protection
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12 Oct 2004, 16:05
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
yes. lets mix gals together so we end up with 2 priv gals in 1 for certain gals and 1 priv + randoms for the rest kinda like how people had 3 priv packs in a gal last r compared to others with just 1. heh.
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12 Oct 2004, 16:09
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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spinner said he could code a shuffler easily, and it could b done during protection
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yes, however this relies on:
a) thinking one's neccessary, particularly above the zipper that they've already got
b) getting spinner to put the time in, which we're always being told is extremely limited
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12 Oct 2004, 16:18
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
I love how this little drama gets played out every round.
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12 Oct 2004, 17:40
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
That's because there should be a shiffle every round, both to avoid abuse and all the drama of alleged abuse.
I can't see why PA just don't do it. It's what everyone wants. And in the shock-horror nature of consumerism, people are more likely to pay if they get what they want.
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13 Oct 2004, 08:34
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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Originally Posted by Achilles
That's because there should be a shiffle every round, both to avoid abuse and all the drama of alleged abuse.
I can't see why PA just don't do it. It's what everyone wants. And in the shock-horror nature of consumerism, people are more likely to pay if they get what they want.
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indeed its what everyone wants now, but in 3 days time when some other poor gal has all these inactives in with them, theyll be posting and moaning, its a vicious circle
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
At tick 50.
1) Stop game.
2) Delete all inactives
3) Shuffle all randoms to devide random over all priv gals
4) Wait a couple of hours
5) Start game
Every gal has as much gal to meet an active random. If the stays active or how good he is has to be seen.
It prevents the stuff where 100 of randoms accounts where made to land in a specific gal.. So it got mucho benefits!
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13 Oct 2004, 10:06
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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At tick 50.
1) Stop game.
2) Delete all inactives
3) Shuffle all randoms to devide random over all priv gals
4) Wait a couple of hours
5) Start game
Every gal has as much gal to meet an active random. If the stays active or how good he is has to be seen.
It prevents the stuff where 100 of randoms accounts where made to land in a specific gal.. So it got mucho benefits!
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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yes, but in english please
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
Hasty typing at work + cba to edit!
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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indeed its what everyone wants now, but in 3 days time when some other poor gal has all these inactives in with them, theyll be posting and moaning, its a vicious circle
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I disagree. At least when the universe is shuffled everyone has exactly the same chance of getting active randoms. The reality is that PA would then be seen to be fair. For once it would be seen to be taking adequate visible measures against multiple account signups.
I don't personally think that PATeam sit on their collective fat asses and ignore these sort of issues. But I would have a vast amount of additional confidence, both in them and the game, if I was to see them taking action on what for me is the single most exploited area of Planetarion today.
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
I agree with Lord_Thunderball, great idea
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
I do find it disturbing that no one from PA has bothered to comment in this thread.
Thunder has had a great idea. It would certainly prevent any claims of cheating or fixing to get in a good galaxy.
The private paid accounts could opt somehow to go into this pot of planets to be shuffled or stay where they are in their galaxies of 4,3 or 2 members and get roided.
SO anyone from PA like to comment ?
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13 Oct 2004, 14:08
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
and what about the private gal people who have upgraded their randoms believeing they would keep them?
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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and what about the private gal people who have upgraded their randoms believeing they would keep them?
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tbh, since this discussion happens every time, they shouldn't have.
On the other hand, I don't want a shuffle mid way through protection, I've waited for tickstart for ages now, and then to stop the game at tick 50 will disrupt things.
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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and what about the private gal people who have upgraded their randoms believeing they would keep them?
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and what about the private gals with 5 members who have paid money and are sitting twiddling their thumbs waiting for some randoms to perhaps sign up while other private gals are sitting pretty with 5 private and 5 random ?
Thats a slight inbalance and not exactly a level playing field.
You could argue that if you distributed the randoms equally there would be a greater chance that more randoms could get their accounts paid for by one of the 5 fully paid accounts.
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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tbh, since this discussion happens every time, they shouldn't have.
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Without going into PaTeam's track record, if they say something to their customers then the customers can't be blamed for accepting it and acting accordingly, whether or not they "should know better."
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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Originally Posted by Little Timmy
and what about the private gals with 5 members who have paid money and are sitting twiddling their thumbs waiting for some randoms to perhaps sign up while other private gals are sitting pretty with 5 private and 5 random ?
Thats a slight inbalance and not exactly a level playing field.
You could argue that if you distributed the randoms equally there would be a greater chance that more randoms could get their accounts paid for by one of the 5 fully paid accounts.
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there are very few gals in that position, have a look through the universe, most gals have 8-10 players. And rememebr as signups continue the inbalence will even out with people quickly filling the other gals.
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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Yep, they should ignore the fact that PaTeam said there would be no shuffle because of a thread with 41 replies, which I'm sure the majority of players haven't even looked at.
Without going into PaTeam's track record, if they say something to their customers then the customers can't be blamed for accepting it and acting accordingly, whether or not they "should know better."
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it has allways been the case that there would not be a shuffle unless it was completely needed. We do pay attention to signup patterns, we do look for large scale abuse of the system and for balence issues. I admit I haen;t looked through the universe today, but last night it looked like it would fill up reasonably well by the time there would be a shuffle.
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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and what about the private gal people who have upgraded their randoms believeing they would keep them?
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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there are very few gals in that position, have a look through the universe, most gals have 8-10 players. And rememebr as signups continue the inbalence will even out with people quickly filling the other gals.
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I must be in an unlucky cluster then 3 gals with 10 2 gals with 9 and the rest 7,6,5,5,4
we must just be unlucky to have below 50% without 8-10 players. However, the average players in the cluster would be 7.5 if the randoms were distributed evenly.
Which is all Im asking for. An equal distribution of the random planets to make it an equal playing field.
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
I agree with a shuffle. Just not in the start of the game when I've JUST got into the momentum of it.
If it can be done before tickstart, please do go ahead, although I'm sure it can't
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13 Oct 2004, 14:59
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Pedantic hypocrite
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Back and to the left
Posts: 1,488
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Re: so...shuffle or not? (again)
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Originally Posted by Kal
there are very few gals in that position, have a look through the universe, most gals have 8-10 players. And rememebr as signups continue the inbalence will even out with people quickly filling the other gals.
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All we (I) ask is that the galaxies with 10 randoms (or rather, with no private segment) are broken up and distributed among the remaining unfilled private galaxies. Including those that aren't filled*.
* This means that the new randoms will fill position 6-10, leaving space open for people to join the private bit within the next 72 ticks**.
** Notice how this allows randoms in the same gal to join the private section to allow for more new randoms***.
*** Isn't that pretty cool?
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