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Unread 27 Apr 2010, 10:30   #1
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Sad change in planetarion history

Not only does the #1 alliance get to hold an astonishing roidlead all round, they also get to safe in the win without much effort. Sure they claim they had incs, but this is of course a mild exaggeration.

Apprime has been visions supporter for several rounds now, letting them pick their own wars and build their alliance on their premises. We were willing to let them win this round, and assist them if a block formed against them, just like they helped us earlier. Vision has now stabbed us, bringing multiple alliances to help them hit Apprime.

We are not afraid of waring Vision alone, honestly we would love to, and seeing how unfair the tables need to be for vision to grow these balls, we feel confident 40 members less would be more then sufficient to rape you another hole. eazy.

The state now is that vision is NAPed to ND/ASC/Penguins/ODDR and they are currently hammering Apprime planets. We in Apprime see this as a win for us, because yet again the universe blocks up on us, even though we are only a tag of 48 people. Since we feel we have proved to everyone how much you suck, we have to do something about this target practice of yours.

Currently we are voting for/against "We will cover every single inc from Vision, and let Newdawn land on us for free"
At the moment, none has voted against.

Farming someone might say, making priorities we say. So tomorrow i hope every single planet from Newdawn participate in attacking Apprime, landing early might be a good idea for the best caps, but if not Vision will flak you.

Good luck chaps, see you on the battlefield!
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Unread 27 Apr 2010, 10:37   #2
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

I just love your finally retired comment.
Vision is a worthy winner of the round.

Apprime is not, and never will be.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

I'd like to know how things escalated because I really like you Apprime people and am grateful for your support during the last 3 rounds. It's really sad how things developed and tbh I don't enjoy blocking against 1 single alliance. I'd prefer siding with you guys even if it costs our #1 rank because this round is very boring for me.
Ofc I don't know the details about this progress which might change my opinion about this. But I trust VSN HC to have valid reasons for their decision and ofc as a member I'll fully support it even if I'd still prefer a nap between app and vsn.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

Ohnoes stupid ruiners ruin everything!

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http://sandmans.co.uk/?p=viewplanet&x=3&y=1&z=7

I believe this was Apprime's doing.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

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Ohnoes stupid ruiners ruin everything!

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I believe this was Apprime's doing.
It was a normal TP set very late in the morning, obviously that guy wasnt bothered to cover himself!
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Unread 27 Apr 2010, 12:11   #6
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

The votes are final and Jihad on Vision is declared with immediate effect.
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Unread 27 Apr 2010, 12:14   #7
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

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Currently we are voting for/against "We will cover every single inc from Vision, and let Newdawn land on us for free"
"We will be farms"? Isn't that against the rules?
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"We will be farms"? Isn't that against the rules?
We don't have fleets available to defend against Newdawn, so we are just being polite and make them aware of it.
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"We will be farms"? Isn't that against the rules?
I'd say being selective with what incs to cover inside the alliance doesn't count as farming, aslong as you don't purposely decide to not cover incs when you have ships to do it. However, when they let NewDawn know that they can attack them for free, it becomes farming.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

Prove it
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

You just made a post on a public forum informing them of such.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

Prove that we were able to cover the incs you call farming
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

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(a) Attacking a target with his/her consent to get his/her asteroids/ships
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"We will (...) let Newdawn land on us for free"
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

There is no planet to planet agreement on landing anyone, we are just making everyone aware of that our political agenda is stopping Vision.
We accept that the cost for this will be newdawn landing on us for free, as a result to all fleets being tied up to defend against vision.

His/her consent is in no way tied to any political statements from an alliance.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

It is not like the MHs have ever seemed to need proof before! or rather they have never seemed to be very consistant in their requirements.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

Does this include the apprimes in 8:3 when they get home from vacation?
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His/her consent is in no way tied to any political statements from an alliance.
well it would be if it could be found whether they voted on that particular poll to be roided, but thankfully we can't.
Im not seeing this as politically very wise though, it encourages ND while only pissing VsN off more imo.
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So tomorrow i hope every single planet from Newdawn participate in attacking Apprime, landing early might be a good idea for the best caps, but if not Vision will flak you.
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We accept that the cost for this will be newdawn landing on us for free, as a result to all fleets being tied up to defend against vision.
contradiction... if ND are launching first you will not yet be tied up defending against vsn.
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contradiction... if ND are launching first you will not yet be tied up defending against vsn.
In a 8 hour window, our alliance decides where our fleets are best used. If we choose to defend against the incs that shows 0400 instead of the incs that shows 0100, that is entirely up to us. We know that the incs will be impossible to cover, and the only thing we can do is choose who gets def or not.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

The roiding of [Nitz] (which used about 60 fleets including launch/recalls) very much felt like a declaration of war - Apprime was going to roid each of our top planets one by one.

The fact that there were 4 other alliances aching to get a stab at you is anything but our fault. Perhaps you shouldn't run your politics through intimidation.

And don't tell me carDi wouldn't have put up wave after wave on Dimentus anyway to ensure his own win.
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Does this include the apprimes in 8:3 when they get home from vacation?
Apprimes in 8:3 will of course be protected under any circumstances.
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The roiding of [Nitz] (which used about 60 fleets including launch/recalls) very much felt like a declaration of war - Apprime was going to roid each of our top planets one by one.

The fact that there were 4 other alliances aching to get a stab at you is anything but our fault. Perhaps you shouldn't run your politics through intimidation.

And don't tell me carDi wouldn't have put up wave after wave on Dimentus anyway to ensure his own win.
The formal agreement was that all Vision planets in Apprime gals would not get any incs. So what if we used 60 launches on him, that was because he was a fat target in a galraid, and we could not deny our members a chance to roid him if they wanted to.


edit: if we wanted to roid dimentus we would have roided him instead of [nitz] DUH.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

How is this a win?

Surely you should see this as "Despite the fact that we're not challenging for the win, the entire universe still thinks we're dicks".

Surely you're doing something fundementally wrong if people are bashing you just for the sake of bashing you?

Also, for those interested, if you rearrange 'fundemenally' you get Daft Null Enemy. I just felt that was equally applicable to Apprime.
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edit: if we wanted to roid dimentus we would have roided him instead of [nitz] DUH.
Ah right I forgot, you can't roid more than one planet per round of Planetarion!
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Apprimes in 8:3 will of course be protected under any circumstances.
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Re: Sad change in planetarion history

This all happened for a few reasons. Primary among these was the fact that cardi, and apprime as a whole, went around and pissed off nearly every single person in the universe. NAPing DLR, the first real political move of the round (as it led to further co-operation), was a stagnatory move designed to secure Apprime. Speaking as someone in an alliance with only a few more players and in a much precarious base position (ie fortress galaxies) I felt this was a shit move. Then we had the targeting of Ascendancy and then ND. After that we had the mass waving of Vision's second biggest planet by apprime. And then we had apprime members telling anyone who would care to listen that although they were "okay" with VsN winning the round, and for the record I also heard a number of rumours that cardi was running around trying to find people who'd hit vsn with him, apprime would have the top planets. Finally we had the reaction to the planned attack on 8.3, cardi/reese/eksero go into vacation in a move that fairly obviously had little to do with vacation alongside cardi pming every single involved HC with both threats* that apprime would kill them with x, y and z other alliances if they didn't back out and help apprime hit whoever.

I actually had a conversation with cardi like 3 weeks ago where I told him that a fairly likely outcome of the amount of shit he was talking was the entire universe gang****ing either him, his galaxy, apprime or all 3. This has pretty much transpired. Personally I think it's well deserved. If you want to talk that much shit about everyone else you need to be able to back it up.


For the record the idea that cardi wouldn't have roided dmnts regardless if he was close with 1/2 days to go is laughable.


*Seriously, who the **** thinks this is a good way to run politics? I know for a fact that cardi pmed heimdall threatening to ptarget oddr after heimdall posted on AD and said that oddr had gotten incs off them.
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Not that you can do a damn thing about it.
sure they can.. let them stay in protection for the rest of the round!!!
they just need to come up with a very good excuse when they are supposed to be forced out of vacation..

"but people are going to attack us, and we want to keep hiding :'/ "

Apprime brought this on themselves, or more truthfully, cardi/eksero/reese brought this on Apprime. People only wanted to hit 8:3 as they got a free shot at top gal and planets, atleast thats my understanding. When they went into vacation lead by cardi, people got annoyed with Apprime and took out their frustration on them.

And for the crap you're saying about VSN is just lame. SO RIGHT, WE'RE NOT GONNA ATTACK EACH OTHER. WE'RE JUST GONNA ROID ONE OF YOUR TOP PLANETS, I'M SURE THATS FINE WITH YOU..

cardi would have hit dimentus with every single fleet in Apprime if that was needed to get him #1, and he surely will now when he gets back from the beach with his newfound tan...

I really wonder how the mood is in Apprime, considering everyone in there have to take the fall because of the selfishness of 3 people..
I'd be pissed if it was me, but then again I'm not a lithbot, so I actually have my own opinions..
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This all happened for a few reasons. Primary among these was the fact that cardi, and apprime as a whole, went around and pissed off nearly every single person in the universe. NAPing DLR, the first real political move of the round (as it led to further co-operation), was a stagnatory move designed to secure Apprime. Speaking as someone in an alliance with only a few more players and in a much precarious base position (ie fortress galaxies) I felt this was a shit move. Then we had the targeting of Ascendancy and then ND. After that we had the mass waving of Vision's second biggest planet by apprime. And then we had apprime members telling anyone who would care to listen that although they were "okay" with VsN winning the round, and for the record I also heard a number of rumours that cardi was running around trying to find people who'd hit vsn with him, apprime would have the top planets. Finally we had the reaction to the planned attack on 8.3, cardi/reese/eksero go into vacation in a move that fairly obviously had little to do with vacation alongside cardi pming every single involved HC with both threats* that apprime would kill them with x, y and z other alliances if they didn't back out and help apprime hit whoever.

I actually had a conversation with cardi like 3 weeks ago where I told him that a fairly likely outcome of the amount of shit he was talking was the entire universe gang****ing either him, his galaxy, apprime or all 3. This has pretty much transpired. Personally I think it's well deserved. If you want to talk that much shit about everyone else you need to be able to back it up.


For the record the idea that cardi wouldn't have roided dmnts regardless if he was close with 1/2 days to go is laughable.


*Seriously, who the **** thinks this is a good way to run politics? I know for a fact that cardi pmed heimdall threatening to ptarget oddr after heimdall posted on AD and said that oddr had gotten incs off them.

Cardi says : "once again when you talk for me, give some facts instead of bullshiting like you always do about me".
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Cardi says : "once again when you talk for me, give some facts instead of bullshiting like you always do about me".
Tell cardi he might want to rephrase that (seems abit odd that JBG wld be talking for Cardi etc)
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Apprimes in 8:3 will of course be protected under any circumstances.
So the planets that completely deserts your alliance for 3 days are going to be protected with everything you got?
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So the planets that completely deserts your alliance for 3 days are going to be protected with everything you got?
Of course.
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So the planets that completely deserts your alliance for 3 days are going to be protected with everything you got?
Oh look, someone is trying to cause us internal troubles. How cunning! FK CARDI I DONT WANNA DEF YOUR PLANET! LETS RAPE VSN INSTEAD
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I really wonder how the mood is in Apprime, considering everyone in there have to take the fall because of the selfishness of 3 people..
I'd be pissed if it was me, but then again I'm not a lithbot, so I actually have my own opinions..
That is the beauty of lithbots

who the fock needs ppl with opinions to win a war? O_o
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I'm just amazed that people are still surprised that Apprime gets gangbanged on (and some claiming it is 'unfair'). Like JBG said, you could see it coming weeks ago, especially knowing who's in charge over there.

And instead of trying to defuse a tense situation cardi only made it worse by, guess what, even more threats.
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Im only surprised that Vision shud turn out to be the ally taking the initiative, considering that they had allywin served on a silverplate.

but oh well, maybe we will finally get some goddam action in this horribly boring round

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Apprime solve their politics in an unorthodox way yes. We often raid top planets and gals just because its a challenge. This round it led to a lot of whining from planets/gals we roided, instead of sucking it up and deal with it. Our response to this whining will always be the same,which is:

Shut the **** up, if you want to have a war because your precious planet lost some rocks, please bring your alliance we will gladly fight you.

We are not afraid of a war, but if a larger tag struggle to fight us then maybe they should just **** off and hit something easier, not run around like crying mamasboys and have everyone else do the job for them.

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This is a good try Apprime... i'll give you that. Trying real hard to get between ND and VsN... your politics aren't as great as you think they are. ND had all intentions of hitting App regardless.

Just can't wait for 8 3 to get out of vacation! ND has some roids in that galaxy that belong to us... (mykool)
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Won't change our targetting either whatever you decide, you know.. Apprime all the way whatever you guys decide.

Could not care less about vsn winning and tbh just few days left that score gap is insane unless it goes down to 5mil... it's like 24mil or something atm, so yeah what's the point of this topic.. we'll still hit apprime the ultimate fencers of this round as payback.
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Won't change our targetting either whatever you decide, you know.. Apprime all the way whatever you guys decide.

Could not care less about vsn winning and tbh just few days left that score gap is insane unless it goes down to 5mil... it's like 24mil or something atm, so yeah what's the point of this topic.. we'll still hit apprime the ultimate fencers of this round as payback.
Payback for what?
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I would've loved to see Apprime and Vision one on one. I don't think you would've been able to close the gap between us, yet it could have been a close call. But even if we had done this, other alliances would've hit Apprime anyway simply because your arrogance (displayed nicely in HaNzI's post above) has made a lot of enemies.
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Payback for what?
Guess for bringing fencing to an entire new level (funny tbh how you went for fortress gals the last 4 rounds, and now when there are priv galaxies you choose to fence everything)

Maybe for the nap you had with DLR.

Maybe for you abusing this nap and roiding non DLR in DLR galaxies and having the DLR roided by other alliances.

Maybe for Cardi thinking he can threaten everyone and get away with a fenced round win.

Maybe for you being ignorant and thinking this post will lead to anything else then "the entire universe throwing everything on your 48 man alliance" lasting until 8:3 gets out of protection.

Or maybe just because app hit LordN (didn't you?)

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Wauw that lack of ambition makes me sad LordN
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For the last week or so, APP has been our targets regardless. This is just someone saying they will lay down and take the beating. No matter what APP does, we will continue to hit app with our friendly alliances as we have been over the past few days. What app does, is clearly something that they will do, and will have no influence in/or if we break the VsN nap or not. If we see a win in our grasps, maybe we will take advantage of it, but it will take alot for us to stop our current political agreements.
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Of course.
So..which will you defend if 8:3 get incomings and then Vision hit your other planets...somehow i cant see you prioritzing anyone other than 8:3 in that situation...which kind of makes your statement "we will only def versus Vision" redundant, no?

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