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Unread 12 Nov 2010, 14:58   #101
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Re: Imperia and their mum

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Very possibly fair JBG, but incredibly harsh.

While I understand your frustration, isn't it the case that you have a certain duty to "work around" the vast numbers of people that approach the game like DrunkenViking?

It's not like it should be a surprise to you after all these rounds, so to castigate someone so brutally seems a bit ott.

Easy for me to say I suppose as I've given up dealing with that particular problem.
In fairness I'm somewhat in your situation now where I've given up dealing with this sort of problem. The only reason my name is involved in this is because after I saw the initial post in this thread and found out it was real I went on and asked if anyone in ascendancy minded if I started a war in hilarious fashion
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Unread 12 Nov 2010, 15:02   #102
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Re: Imperia and their mum

Even tho i'm Apprime's PR i'm willing to help the sad and frustrated people outside of Apprime also. You are able to find me in the public channel #Apprime and i will try helping making your day abit better when i have some time for it.

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Unread 12 Nov 2010, 15:02   #103
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Re: Imperia and their mum

Is this the really cool bit where Asc manage to convince Imp thant they should all attack App, in order to show some balls and fight back rar rar rar etc, and then App attack Imp because they are the closest rival, but don't grow as fast as other alliances because of Imp's pretty decent def, allowing Asc to come back into contention for #1? Or the bit where an alliance block tries to rape #1?

It's like one of those chose your own adenture books you read in primary school, where you read ahead before you chose which path you take, in order to avoid facing a gruesome death caused by an unwanted dip in the bad guys shark infested swimming pool, where you instead play a round of golf at the local politicians private club, and eventually face a gruesome death caused by an unwanted dip in his shark infested swimming pool.

The loop bit really sucks, it's like a bad acid trip, which as we all know, once you are in there, you cannot get out. It makes me wish I took up that offer from the two French blokes to head down to the naked steam rooms....

The PA political game is boring, next round, why not try a self imposed political handicap (of the non lithuanian variety) for added difficulty? Something like your political decisions are made by the player who manages to kill enemy value ending with the same last 2 digits as the current tick.....

Alternatively, Cleverbot is an option:
JM: Who should Asc attack?
CB: The garage.
JM: Who is the garage?
CB: Adam Brody.
JM: What are Adam Brody's coords?
CB: Why do you want to know?
JM: Because PA politics are boring as f*ck.
CB: Are we friends?
JM: Is that you Yoshika?
CB: No.
JM: Are you sure?
CB Yes.
JM: Who are you then?
CB: I am your god.
JM: Ok, who shall I attack my lord?
CB: Me.
JM: Coords plx?
CB: 72,42.

Apparantly God sounds an awefull lot lke Yoshika, and is hiding out in Cluster 72. If you want to attack him, go for it, don't worry about sending fakes though, he doesn't really need Inc scan.
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Unread 12 Nov 2010, 15:31   #104
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No, this is the bit where Ascendancy crashes 2m value a day. But don't let facts slow you down in your insatiable quest for.. what, exactly?

On second thought, don't answer that.
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Unread 12 Nov 2010, 15:59   #105
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Re: Imperia and their mum

What is going to happen is that Imperia realises their mistake too late, at which point everyone else is too inactive to help them against Apprime.
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Unread 12 Nov 2010, 17:07   #106
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Plus, let's be honest, not really all that willing any more.
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Unread 13 Nov 2010, 00:56   #107
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Re: Imperia and their mum

JBG, I'm pretty much done with this thread, but will add this:
You do not know me, with the exception of the idle rounds i've spent in asc, nor the sacrifices i've made from an alliance point of view or from a planet point of view over the years. And let me add; I thought i were retarded, but man you really got the crown in the kingdom of retardation right now.
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Unread 13 Nov 2010, 01:10   #108
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Re: Imperia and their mum

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Very possibly fair JBG, but incredibly harsh.

While I understand your frustration, isn't it the case that you have a certain duty to "work around" the vast numbers of people that approach the game like DrunkenViking?

It's not like it should be a surprise to you after all these rounds, so to castigate someone so brutally seems a bit ott.

Easy for me to say I suppose as I've given up dealing with that particular problem.
Because on an analysis of the general situation, there is no 'workaround'

Without a positive move from Imperia and a cessation of hostility towards ND and CT we can't possibly make the case for a NAP and even if we could, there's no guarantee either would take notice. On this count, there seems to be some kind of insistence that we do something beyond our power which is unreasonable. By persisting in this conflict, Imperia are locking out any kind of support for Ascendancy to effectively attack Apprime. Their actions are locking in politics, preventing choices for everyone and condemning everyone to defeat, themselves included.

Being able to cooperate here would have opened up the race for #1 and unpacked all kind of political choices later on (most likely ending up with what we have now but on a much more level playing field) but that time has probably passed now. Standing in Imperia's shoes, they've decided to drift to nothing: it's more than a bad choice, it's not even attempting to play the game. There's absolutely no concept in their camp of the consequences of their actions beyond the next 100 ticks. Which is why JBG is pointing to Chimpie's absurd analysis, because he doesn't know how the game works at metagame level, how momentum works and is consequently a cretin.

There is an element of frustration on our part, but that's not do with being politically unable to put Apprime under pressure, so I'll leave it there.
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Relation Change 673 Imperia and Apprime have confirmed they are allied.
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Unread 13 Nov 2010, 06:19   #111
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The Apprime/Imperia NAP while disappointing was essentially inevitable once Ascendancy launched on Imperia, so lets not pretend we cant blame ourselves for this one. The real question is, would their NAP have happened had we not attacked them, the whole rationale behind Asc's attack on Imp was that we presumed this to be already the case, so was it?
We can never know.
I certainly hope we were not naive enough to attack them presuming we could prevent this; open assault in pa usually means coercion has failed already, as with hitting CT last round it is a doomed attempt to make them believe we can do more damage than the ally they are NAP-ing in order to avoid incs from.
Since they would have no measure of comparison failure is certain; if the attacker does a great deal of damage the victim is forced into the arms of the real opponent for fear it could be even worse, and if little damage is done the attackers have demonstrated they are not a credible force in taking on the top ally who is the real opponent and thus not worth allying to for that purpose. In either case once the coercive attack is launched the attacker has shown his hand to little effect.
There will rarely be a point where the attacking alliance looks stronger than the alliance they are attempting to force a coalition against and thus achieve the objective; for the obvious reason that if this was even vaguely likely then to attack the alliance that they want as a partner would seem an unnecessary risk, better to leave them on the sidelines until you are sure they have decided against you.
Of course the only thing likely to alter things would be some demonstration of perfidy from the alliance we are trying to get a coalition against, unfortunately such cannot be manufactured.
In sum the relation change is a formalisation of something we believed had already taken place thus why comment?
And so I destroy my own post.
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You should use that r/p name next round.
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No, this is the bit where Ascendancy crashes 2m value a day. But don't let facts slow you down in your insatiable quest for.. what, exactly?

On second thought, don't answer that.
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