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Unread 1 Feb 2009, 14:49   #1
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rollback ?

Whats the criteria for a rollback is it just one missed tick or more , will fleets be recalled
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Re: rollback ?

more importantly, why are PA team STILL ****ing about with useless code during the last official round of PA.
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Re: rollback ?

this is utter bollocks, game closed as people are trying to recall, message said it was closed untill further notice, then it was reopened minutes before a tick so people cant get back online to recall.

oh and its still broken
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Re: rollback ?

Well, there we go...rollback and fleets recalled....thats 2 rounds in a row PA Team have fu*ked up my 2 best lands of the round. Go to hell...
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gotta admit i'm happy bout the rollback didnt want 5 waves of vgn and omen landing on me \o/
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I haven't logged in in a while. What's happened?
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Re: rollback ?

right lets put it like this.

You tried to remove the quests because people complained about that. Because others got more res which MIGHT of covered incs, in most cases people wouldnt of been able to prod it.

So now you **** up everyone who was attacking instead rather than just people who are to retarded to planet scan before they land.

Effectively you give large planets a far bigger advantage than the smaller ones.

Also, if we are waiting 24 ****ing hours why do we have a fleet recall, isnt the idea to be in the same situation as such. I certainly didnt have 3 fleets home at 11am. Hardly anyone ****ing did.

I know its standard proceedure but as far i was concerned so was not ****ing around with the game mid round and that was broken so why cant this retarded rule be changed mid round too.
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Re: rollback ?

Should have tested the quests.

We saw what happened with the basic ones in beta, and this was quite obviously going to be a big problem.

I'm really not impressed.
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Re: rollback ?

The best bit was trying to manually correct the database. Now that is some serious optimism right there.
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Re: rollback ?

May I ask who's bright idea it was to implement these quest at this given time?

1) Such big changes should never be implemented during a round, even if it's only tick 207.

2) Why the hell implement this when every has fleets out and is about to land.
If ever you wanted to implement something, do it in the evening (gmt) that way if you **** up, like you guys "sometimes" seem to do, and a rollback is needed, consequences will not be so big...
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This is great, I was out last night and am busy tonight too, I've not missed anything :-)
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Re: rollback ?

f****n ridiculous, i have an awesome land. and now they do this! useless PA team. very disgruntled. i want my roids n xp back! there is no need for a rollback, just start from where it mucked up.
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Re: rollback ?

1) Why are pointless quests that add nothing at this stage being added mid round anyway? Mid round to a live production environment. I mean seriously. What on earth is the thinking behind this?

2) Why was a backup not taken as the changes were applied? It's bad enough applying changes to a live platform, and surely if something goes wrong you want to be in a position to undo it.
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Re: rollback ?

PA being as useless as ever it seems!
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Re: rollback ?

What hope is there for after this round?
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WOW, who woulda forseen a rollback in planetarion ?
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Re: rollback ?

Thank you! I will still have my roids \o/

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Cannot understand how they can decide to this at the exact time when attacks start landing.
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Cannot understand how they can decide to this at the exact time when attacks start landing.
We all know how out of touch with the community PA team actually is, isnt this the reason its the last round afterall?
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Re: rollback ?

we deserver a thorough explanation of how things went wrong, when one pays for a game, then they are in their right to demand a good explanation when things go wrong due to actions of the creators. And i dont need shit like: things went wrong so we stopped the ticker..no, i want detailed description of decisions being made and the reasons behind those decisions..

but im prolly asking for something impossible...
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Re: rollback ?

As its the last round, i think its nice that we've had a reminder why the game is dying and the fact that it deserves to die.

Not just one thing was wrong here but multiple mistakes:
1. Untested quests implemented into a Live game which people have payed for, after all previous quests that have been implemented have bugged out.
2. The time chosen for implementing the quests, was when the most fleets are flying.. Causing the most problems if something goes wrong.
3. The rewards for the quests are skewed in the wrong direction in the first place and PA Team didnt ask for community feedback before implementing them (or at least trying to). The #1 Sized planet gets to 5000 roids and his reward is 10mil resources to put him further into the lead? etc.
4. The game was brought back up after the downtime 3minutes before a tick (A tick where alot of people were landing).
5. Where was the advanced warning that you was going to take the game down? Did i miss it somewhere? or was this a spur of the moment 'ill ruin the game for everyone' decision?
6. During the downtime, there was little/no feedback and the information we recieved all contradicted itself. On the login screen, it said the game was down for a unknown time.. then in the next line it said it would be back up within the hour? then in the topic it said ETA Unknown.
7. When the game was brought back up with 3minutes to tick, PA team didnt even do a /notice in #planetarion or change the topic before the tick.

Its like the PA Team just dont care anymore, which doesnt give high-hopes for Galaxytarion.
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Re: rollback ?

I would like to know why all fleets are returned to base. I don't see what the fleets have to do with the quest problems.

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Re: rollback ?

Recalling fleets is utterly ludicrous. Why the game could not be fixed, rolled back 24 hours with further time before hand for people to recall, run ships or w/e I dont understand.

Cost me a t50 place and my galaxy mate #1 spot due to not landing high xp attacks.
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Recalling fleets is utterly ludicrous. Why the game could not be fixed, rolled back 24 hours with further time before hand for people to recall, run ships or w/e I dont understand.

Cost me a t50 place and my galaxy mate #1 spot due to not landing high xp attacks.
Oooo You still play? presumed you quit

But yeh cost me 3 decent landings...

However its procedure to recall fleets after the rollback but fair play, THE PROBLEM IS THE DAM implementation of the questions anyway!!!

Whos idea was it to implement it at that time?? whos idea was it for those awful questions
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Recalling fleets is utterly ludicrous. Why the game could not be fixed, rolled back 24 hours with further time before hand for people to recall, run ships or w/e I dont understand.

Cost me a t50 place and my galaxy mate #1 spot due to not landing high xp attacks.
As its procedure. Once the mistakes had been made, the only choice was Rollback with Fleet Recall (24hours no ticks could be argued though).

The reason for this, is that it gives an unfair advantage to people with fleets not recalled.. I.e. anyone eta 4 or lower will still land uneffected but anyone eta 5 or higher cannot, as galaxys have 24hours to organise defence (thus giving an unfair advantage). Thats the reason why the fleet recall rule was implemented (I.E. Its aimed at screwing everyone over, not just late launchers).

To take your scenario.. Your eta 4 when it rollsback.. You get to top50 and your galaxy mate gets to #1 spot. The people who launched one tick later than you (eta 5) have no recall, as the galaxy can organise defence on every wave (as 100% will be online during the 24hour period). Is that fair? that some get to land and some dont?

Note: Im not explaining this to just you but to the PA Team. As they dont understand it either.. As they often roll the ticks back to a point where early launches get to land but late launchers dont, which makes the fleet recall redundent.
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Cost me a t50 place and my galaxy mate #1 spot due to not landing high xp attacks.
u mean #2

i was gonna be #1 !!!
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1) Why are pointless quests that add nothing at this stage being added mid round anyway? Mid round to a live production environment. I mean seriously. What on earth is the thinking behind this?

2) Why was a backup not taken as the changes were applied? It's bad enough applying changes to a live platform, and surely if something goes wrong you want to be in a position to undo it.
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Re: rollback ?

Why ****ing bother to tell all this, like those wankers ever will listen...

This rollback and fleet recall is a procedure of downtime afaik and not a procedure of total **** up of pa staff that they implement they screwed up as usual and the game was accessable and as it happend half way in tick 209 they should have rolled back to tick 209 of which there is a back up and should go on from tick 209 so next tick should be 210. Or roll back to 207 and let fleets fly as it was then, open the game for the peeps that according their own argument cant access the game at that time to give enough time to recall.

They ever listend to the community? No they never did. Good goiing with ****ing up another round poor sods....

Not even reacting in here on the how and why and not answering pm's on irc cause they know they ****ed and are totally lost on this decision as well.

Well at least they are consistent on ****ing up most rounds and in the last round big time, no wonder Jolt is pulling the plug....
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These rollbacks arent to bad. PA is just a game and i missed a landing aswell. Doesnt really matter much.
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They should stop the ticker every sunday, then we all get one nights decent sleep a week
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Re: rollback ?

Anyone claiming their t100 spot at pt200 is an idiot and should die in a reasonably large fire.
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Re: rollback ?

Always the same ****ing shit.

Rollback: "Cry, my fleet was due to land and now I won't get #1 planet"
No rollback: "Cry, my fleet was caught because I couldn't get on in time"
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gotta admit i'm happy bout the rollback didnt want 5 waves of vgn and omen landing on me \o/
I was eta 1 to roids and my own incomings covered. What i find extremely gay is the way the ones who landed tick before me got their roids.. while i didn't get shit... should have been a proper rollback that affected everyone, not just the unlucky guys who didn't get first wave.
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Re: rollback ?

Epic show from pateam. I was really hoping we wouldn't make it through the round without one colossally unnecessary ****up and I'm glad to say I wasn't disappointed.
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Re: rollback ?

[2/2/09 10:39:18am] <@Devlin[aw]> id just like to go to the bar with the pateam
[2/2/09 10:39:40am] <@Devlin[aw]> so i could ask them why they decided to implement a useless quest system mid round during the last round
[2/2/09 10:39:55am] <@Devlin[aw]> and then to break a beer bottle over appoco's head and use it to stab the rest of them

Seriously, what's the point? The quest system was stupid and unnecessary anyway. And it's the last round! Besides, there is a thing called a BETA for testing crap like this. Seriously. Use your damn brain next time, pateam!

Ask yourself the following questions before doing anything:

Can we do it? Sure we can, er have the quest code already written.
Should we do it? fk no, we shouldn't! the round's already began and we shouldn't risk borking the game and causing a rollback for a useless quest system that hasn't even been properly tested.

Will we do it? YES!

(The last part is where your logic seems to have failed)

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Re: rollback ?

Wow, so much whining.
Quests could have been implemented at a better time, sure, but no matter what time, there would have been people whining if they had to stop the game.

Seriously get over yourselves you self righteous ****s.

What I don't understand, though, is why fleets are being recalled if the game is being started at the same time the next day. It just gives people who landed earlier, and those with a big roid count an advantage. Ah well, c'est la vie
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Wow, so much whining.
Quests could have been implemented at a better time, sure, but no matter what time, there would have been people whining if they had to stop the game.
Think you've missed the argument there..

They implemented untested code into a live game.
They implemented quests into the game without feedback from anybody (Most people would of said the rewards are wrong)
They tried to change the game mid-round.
They didnt give any warning to anyone about the downtime.

Are the main mistakes regarding the quests, the whining isnt just aimed at them doing at 10:00.. thats only the last of the stupid things they did.

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PA Team have forgotton the reasons why fleets are recalled (So no-one gains an advantage over the downtime). Instead they dont care about advantages anymore, only procedure.. So now we get rollbacks where some people land and some dont (instead of rolling it back to a safe time with the least amount of attacks landing like midnight) which makes the Fleet Recall redundant.
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Think you've missed the argument there..

They implemented untested code into a live game.
They implemented quests into the game without feedback from anybody (Most people would of said the rewards are wrong)
They tried to change the game mid-round.
They didnt give any warning to anyone about the downtime.

Are the main mistakes regarding the quests, the whining isnt just aimed at them doing at 10:00.. thats only the last of the stupid things they did.
No I didn't miss any of this. Yes, it was a silly thing to do. But these guys aren't getting paid for it, screaming at them like little children is retarded. They tried to fix it, and they have fixed it. The only real harm done was the recalling of fleets as a simple rollback and day's downtime without recalling fleets wouldn't have been disastrous, although I'm sure there'd still be a bunch of faggots whining about it endlessly.

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They didnt give any warning to anyone about the downtime.
Are they supposed to say "shit something's gone wrong, but because you want warning we'll have to wait for a day or two to take the game down at which point it's going to be even more impossible to fix than it already is". Seriously get a ****ing grip, warning for emergency downtime?

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PA Team have forgotton the reasons why fleets are recalled (So no-one gains an advantage over the downtime). Instead they dont care about advantages anymore, only procedure.. So now we get rollbacks where some people land and some dont (instead of rolling it back to a safe time with the least amount of attacks landing like midnight) which makes the Fleet Recall redundant.
Fleet recalls are part of the rollback procedure so they had to be done. My problem is with the procedure itself and not their use of it this time. It's there to be adhered to, and they did.
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Wow, so much whining.
Quests could have been implemented at a better time, sure, but no matter what time, there would have been people whining if they had to stop the game.
The only better time to implement anything new is before a round. So no, people wouldn't be whining. And I'm not really whining atm, just being critical of the PATeam's complete failure to use logic in this situation.
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The only better time to implement anything new is before a round. So no, people wouldn't be whining. And I'm not really whining atm, just being critical of the PATeam's complete failure to use logic in this situation.
Im sorry, but wanting to stab the PA team with a broken bottle does qualify as whining.
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The only thing better than pateam ****ing up again is the fact we have a thread about it again.
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Im sorry, but wanting to stab the PA team with a broken bottle does qualify as whining.
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It wasn't funny, it just seemed like you were very angry about an internet game.
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It wasn't funny, it just seemed like you were very angry about an internet game.
You must have a poor sense of humour

I found it quite funny as did everyone in the chan I said it in.
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You must have a poor sense of humour

I found it quite funny as did everyone in the chan I said it in.
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