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Unread 10 Apr 2016, 17:24   #301
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Re: R66 who will win

I think everyone takes this waaaaay too seriously.

Not benneh though he has just the right amount of caring.
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Unread 10 Apr 2016, 18:53   #302
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Re: R66 who will win

Pfft, you can't take this game too seriously.
A) Whatever you do, someone will always tell you that it's wrong and you should go make sweet love to yourself,
B) Whatever you don't do, someone will yell at you face red that you should've done whatever you didn't do and tell you to beat your monkey with both hands, twice,
C) Even if you did and didn't do everything as everyone expects you to do and you still somehow manage to win or not win in some ranking, everyone will still tell you that you did and didn't do it wrong and didn't deserve whatever you won or didn't win and you should disband because you're only good at spanking the one eyed monster.
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Clouds you are falling into the trap that so many people here do. Your aim does not matter, it is the perception others have of your aims that matter. Almost everyone I have spoken to this round about who looks likely to win says BF, and many rate your chances higher than Ult. Regardless of your aim you are an involved alliance. Norse was not an involved alliance because it was under 40 members and no one rated their chances.
The aim an alliance had only matters (from an outside perspective) afterward when we can argue about whether allies met their goals.
I'm sorry but what? Blocks usually form when an alliance is running away with the round. Black Flag is not running away with the round. We're third and it's an uphill battle. If you lot feel the need to block an #3 alliance with 13 million score behind, then that's even laughable than your lolblock last round. And no we don't have stocks to make up the difference before you go on about that.

Rainbows has an equal chance as BF at winning, maybe we should cry about them and lolblock them too.
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I'm sorry but what? Blocks usually form when an alliance is running away with the round. Black Flag is not running away with the round.
This is true, but it is hardly a conventional round. Ult has already tried to attack you and not done very well have they not? They can safely leave you so long as their xp gains match your value gains. If that changes soon then regardless of your position you become the most likely winner.
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We're third and it's an uphill battle. If you lot feel the need to block an #3 alliance with 13 million score behind
As you well know 13 mil is not a very big gap in pa terms. Is it growing this gap? Until four days ago yes it was, but that seems to have been reversed; the gap was 14mil four days ago. In the same period you have overtaken p3n who were briefly above you and clearly outdistanced the alliances that were all around the same score as you even while we have not had a bad few days ourselves.
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then that's even laughable than your lolblock last round. And no we don't have stocks to make up the difference before you go on about that.
Since I never mentioned blocks (except about last round) then I don't see what your issue is. I said that you are considered to be an active contender and other alliances that consider themselves contenders will likely act accordingly. This does not mean they will create a block - they may have other reasons for thinking they will beat you (think they will be faster at xping, be laying some dastardly trap to get you involved in a war with someone else or somesuch that means they are not concerned). Or they may even think they don't need a block to take you on. If people think you have a chance of winning even in pa a block is not the default reaction as there are always several allies in this position, and usually only one of them gets a block triggered on them. The leader of that block will usually then get the other block hitting them, and a third may get off free. Everyone wants to be in the third position, and this is why blocks don't start early. I am sure that I don't need to explain all this stuff you already know so why are you acting like my comment was incredibly stupid?
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Rainbows has an equal chance as BF at winning, maybe we should cry about them and lolblock them too.
Bows was fought to a standstill by p3n on its own earlier in the round which implies that any alliance that is worried about Bows winning can safely leave them and prevent them winning nearer the end - assuming they dont build up a big lead. No need for a block yet even if you are worried about them.
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Unread 10 Apr 2016, 20:41   #305
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Re: R66 who will win

ULT/Mercs hit us quite early in the round when we had quite a decent portion of our value in ships that were effective against them, the situation might not be the same now (values have been spread against quite a decent variety of incs).

Bows/P3n warring to a standstill somehow proves that either one of them isn't a competitor? Or does it more prove that you were equally strong? Bows managed to gather decent stocks tho, so I guess it turns the scale a bit on their side (yes, it's pretty much equal or more than we have atm).

CT has decent stocks as well, last time I checked.
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They can safely leave you so long as their xp gains match your value gains. If that changes soon then regardless of your position you become the most likely winner.
Do you have any thoughts on whether or not that will happen?

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Bows/P3n warring to a standstill somehow proves that either one of them isn't a competitor?
If it takes just one alliance to war you to a standstill, then it is very unlikely you will win the round.
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Re: R66 who will win

Getting 3m value worth of stocks while "warring to a standstill" does show some skill tho.

And what comes to our value growth vs. ult xp growth, we're losing that game, they average ~2k more XP per tick than BF gets, that's 120k score, to gain that same from value means we'd have to have ~48k more roids than they have (without bonuses and those would have to be on our 40 counting members [assuming all the income is prodded]).
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Didn't Norse have under 300 hostiles last round? I guess I'm wasting my time DCing every night if our incoming is so low!
Not so much to the letter, but it isn't too hard to draw similar parallels with the previous round.

Usually the alliance with the less inc and most roids/value wins, regardless of how much you try to manipulate the stats to make XP relevant
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Re: R66 who will win

IF there was anything normal about this round, XP wouldn't be as relevant, but as this clearly isn't a normal round, XP is a lot more relevant than it is on almost any other given round.
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IF there was anything normal about this round, XP wouldn't be as relevant, but as this clearly isn't a normal round, XP is a lot more relevant than it is on almost any other given round.
By normal you mean not shit?
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Getting 3m value worth of stocks while "warring to a standstill" does show some skill tho.
I don't remember seeing large bows stocks building during our war but neither was I looking out for it so it may have been true. However they dropped from 3rd rank to 6th during the course of our war - could have been stocking? More likely it is a result of no such one on one drawn out war ever really being worthwhile so dropping behind competitors. P3n did not gain ranks.

p.s. Please remember that this war ended almost a week ago now. And if Bows had not felt that p3n were stopping their growth they would not have wanted peace.
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Sure we have a shot, but it's still an uphill battle considering we have 0 OOTs and both Ult & CT both have lots of OOTs that yields quite decent score.
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Sure we have a shot, but it's still an uphill battle considering we have 0 OOTs and both Ult & CT both have lots of OOTs that yields quite decent score.
You have had 3x the roids and have 3x the value of Ult. If you don't have enough stockpiles to get 1St been WTF have you been doing with the resources!?!?!
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And what comes to our value growth vs. ult xp growth, we're losing that game, they average ~2k more XP per tick than BF gets, that's 120k score, to gain that same from value means we'd have to have ~48k more roids than they have (without bonuses and those would have to be on our 40 counting members [assuming all the income is prodded]).
For the sake of simplicity, let's say your top 40 all went Tot, have a 25% mining bonus from population, 60 FCs, core 4, and no refs. To gain ~118k score a tick, 10.8m income before the 55% bonus, 7.02m after. Subtract 3 * 25k from core, on 40 planets, that leaves 4.02m. Divide by 250, yields 16k roids on your top 40, or about 22k on your full tag. You currently lead Ultores by 31k.

CT gains less XP per tick, and your top 40 only needs a 7.3k roid lead on them to make up for the 1.3k XP/tick gap, or about 10k on your full tag. You lead CT by 30k.

That's the theory.

Practically speaking, it's plain to see for anyone who can read a graph that BF is keeping up with CT and Ultores, so far, though at a distance.
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16k roids provide (with said bonuses) 16000*1,55*2,5 (because 250 res divided by 100) = 62000 PRODUCED value per tick. How is that even close to 2000*60 = 120000 ?
And I can't see what Core 4 does there, they have that done too, possibly not everyone ofc. Also, just a fyi, 10.8m / 100 = 108k.
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And I can't see what Core 4 does there, they have that done too, possibly not everyone ofc.
Oops. Forgot about that. So that means we need to add another 12k roids to your top 40. That means you need a 38k roid lead on Ult (you have 31k) and 26k on CT (you have 30k). Pretty close!

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Sure we have a shot, but it's still an uphill battle considering we have 0 OOTs and both Ult & CT both have lots of OOTs that yields quite decent score.
Your actualy denying that BF is winning by a longshot how the status is atm?

Anyway, before the nazimoderator comes onboard here threatining you for making false accusations, please give us the coord list of the "OOT planets", or get your posts closed
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How is being 3rd winning (with quite respectable cap to top 2)? And what comes to OOTS, just have a look at the number of untagged planets in top100 for starters.
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Re: R66 who will win

It's no wonder only really Ultores plays for the win nowadays. Whenever anyone else takes the initiative and 'tries', the whine squad on here just cries, and then you cry when Ult's running away with the round..

This is just a reunion round for Black Flag anyway, so you won't have to worry about the evils of Planetarion once this round is done.
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How is being 3rd winning (with quite respectable cap to top 2)? And what comes to OOTS, just have a look at the number of untagged planets in top100 for starters.
How am i suppose to know wich planets is untagged? Either you come up with a list on wich ones is CTs and Ults OOT planets or i will have to turn on the bat signal, and a moderator will turn up
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It's no wonder only really Ultores plays for the win nowadays. Whenever anyone else takes the initiative and 'tries', the whine squad on here just cries, and then you cry when Ult's running away with the round..

This is just a reunion round for Black Flag anyway, so you won't have to worry about the evils of Planetarion once this round is done.
Who is whining? Afaik all people is saying is that BF is winning?
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How am i suppose to know wich planets is untagged? Either you come up with a list on wich ones is CTs and Ults OOT planets or i will have to turn on the bat signal, and a moderator will turn up
As far as I am aware, posting coords on here is banned. I know of one big planet in the T5 that is Ultores OOT (which is common knowledge to everyone anyway), but I'd prefer not to publicly disclose their coords as I like the guy, too.
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Well, I don't. It's Benneh, and he's 1:6:6!

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Deja vu.
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Well shit... I've been rumbled.
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Hahaha, best post of the thread lokken! You win

On a sidenote, BF wins too!
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The fight for 3rd will be fierce.
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You think it will actually be a fight rather than a race?
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You think it will actually be a fight rather than a race?
There will be a moment that BF will reach #1. At that time, the #2, through mass crashing, will try to reach #3 to avoid the responsibility to take on BF. #3 to #7 will fight among themselves while waiting for someone to take the initiative to form a block against #1.

So #3 is the most difficult position to reach in recent rounds imo.
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It's probably the fact you guys have a huge value lead and your gals are getting stronger and will be very hard to roid in the endgame. You know, probably.
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Sooner or later the roid lead will become too big for any alliance to resist hitting BF.
hitting 3-500 roid planets aint realy paying off in the long run.

And btw Zhil, im not playing the game, so you candiature seems to be falling together
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That George Orwell quote hits you right in the forehead then, you can read it at the bottom of this post.
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It's probably the fact you guys have a huge value lead and your gals are getting stronger and will be very hard to roid in the endgame. You know, probably.
Clouds is right that there is a lot of work to do (who knows if Ult/CT will keep this up) but to be playing down BF's chances is just ridiculous. At the moment they are not catching ultores, and they are the alliance with the biggest value gains but there will be tipping points that change that rapidly, and CT/Ult might lose momentum. As I see it, alliances outside the top 3 are facing a trade off between how much they let Ult/CT get away against with having a chunk of value to deal with in the endgame.

Easy to say what should be done when you aren't making the decisions (not a dig, more an opinion).
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Clouds is right that there is a lot of work to do (who knows if Ult/CT will keep this up) but to be playing down BF's chances is just ridiculous. At the moment they are not catching ultores, and they are the alliance with the biggest value gains but there will be tipping points that change that rapidly, and CT/Ult might lose momentum. As I see it, alliances outside the top 3 are facing a trade off between how much they let Ult/CT get away against with having a chunk of value to deal with in the endgame.

Easy to say what should be done when you aren't making the decisions (not a dig, more an opinion).
Think you could be right pal, the XP 'bubble' could burst at any moment, where as value never depreciates.... (Unless you crash ofc)
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Think you could be right pal, the XP 'bubble' could burst at any moment, where as value never depreciates.... (Unless you crash ofc)
It might come back if ult and ct can exploit gaps in defences. But if you're competent you'll probably be able to protect your fleets.
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It might come back if ult and ct can exploit gaps in defences. But if you're competent you'll probably be able to protect your fleets.
Way I see it, unless BF are cleaned of those roids they will grow too large to hit and eventually overtake everyone while they bicker among themselves fighting for the scraps of XP here and there.....

Easy way to see is XP is down to pure chance, value is choice

Seems to be the PA way, letting emotion and drama cloud logic and common sense!

I wouldn't change it for the world though, I guess that's what keeps it entertaining after all these years
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Way I see it, unless BF are cleaned of those roids they will grow too large to hit and eventually overtake everyone while they bicker among themselves fighting for the scraps of XP here and there.....

Easy way to see is XP is down to pure chance, value is choice

Seems to be the PA way, letting emotion and drama cloud logic and common sense!

I wouldn't change it for the world though, I guess that's what keeps it entertaining after all these years
Yeah lets make a big ass block and let the guys that 3x attack with pods and sleep all the night win the round. They have earned it.
Stupid bf choose to go value, sending defleets and try keeping their roids every single night. Its a small chance they can end up winning in the long run, but if they do its not earned. They went the easy way, not the pro xp hard playstyle way.
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Yeah lets make a big ass block and let the guys that 3x attack with pods and sleep all the night win the round. They have earned it.
Stupid bf choose to go value, sending defleets and try keeping their roids every single night. Its a small chance they can end up winning in the long run, but if they do its not earned. They went the easy way, not the pro xp hard playstyle way.

What the hell is this crying post?
There is no pro way, thats what is making this round interesting right now is the mix between XP and value and people are not sure which will win.

Lets be honest ult/ct are doing far more than just attacking with pods and sleeping... And with how many incs BF have had and the fact there is now built in team viewer... it hasnt exactly been hard for you guys to sit on roids and get a load of value so lets not claim you guys have been grinding too hard.
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What the hell is this crying post?
There is no pro way, thats what is making this round interesting right now is the mix between XP and value and people are not sure which will win.

Lets be honest ult/ct are doing far more than just attacking with pods and sleeping... And with how many incs BF have had and the fact there is now built in team viewer... it hasnt exactly been hard for you guys to sit on roids and get a load of value so lets not claim you guys have been grinding too hard.
Seven's post was probably a reaction of others posting hidden messages that if BF doesn't get blocked, we've won, when in reality it's still an uphill battle. If a block forms, it will be to take BF out completely and not just to "even the playing-field" while Ult/CT can continue XPing.

Rainbows aren't far behind either and only 9k roids behind yet everyone thinks BF needs to be lolblocked otherwise we've won. We may have value, but that doesn't mean squat in an XP round. Score gains when we land are minimal compared to other value tags such as Rainbows and ND.
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For the last two weeks all I hear from bf is self created rumours of a block is going to hit you. I'll be honest... if a block forms it's 100% because of the rubbish you are chatting and posts like sevenseas does on here. It's actually really pathetic and makes your ally look like complete weaklings.

Aside from that, your politics is running exactly as previous rounds and it's very easy to read. Infact you even managed to drag people with 0 care into your self pity politics by generating random lies. Other allies do talk you know it's not like the game is so big these things get missed or forgotten about.

For information, p3ng approves of the xp and value play style we see this round. It's great watching the score race with number 1 and 2. We sadly will not be involved in such dizzy height ranks due to spending much of the round experimenting with other aspects of the game internally. It has been impressive and yet saddening to see more defence fleets launched in p3ng than attacks most days. For us this is a throw away round and a good chance to test out new features.
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Seven's post was probably a reaction of others posting hidden messages that if BF doesn't get blocked, we've won, when in reality it's still an uphill battle. If a block forms, it will be to take BF out completely and not just to "even the playing-field" while Ult/CT can continue XPing.

Rainbows aren't far behind either and only 9k roids behind yet everyone thinks BF needs to be lolblocked otherwise we've won. We may have value, but that doesn't mean squat in an XP round. Score gains when we land are minimal compared to other value tags such as Rainbows and ND.
Think this is a surreal line of argument. At the moment you are 20-25% ahead on roids and value to your nearest rival. I don't see how playing down your chances helps, as it's just going to be met with justified derision. Really the best line you've got at the moment is that ult and ct are still xping away and if BF can't catch them then the rest of the bunch certainly aren't going to as it stands. If the others don't believe they can win, they will probably hit you soon enough (what else can they do?). But whichever way it goes at some point you are going to have a fight on your hands.
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Unread 13 Apr 2016, 22:59   #348
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Re: R66 who will win

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Seven's post was probably a reaction of others posting hidden messages that if BF doesn't get blocked, we've won, when in reality it's still an uphill battle.
Others meaning me.... But my post wasn't some subliminal message to get other allies to gangbang you, it was just a clear cut observation.....


What if the targets dry up between Ult and CT and/or they start defending?
People are more reluctant to init roids this round, so where will they come from?

I reiterate XP is pure luck and chance whereas value is choice (provided you don't crash)
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If a block forms, it will be to take BF out completely and not just to "even the playing-field" while Ult/CT can continue XPing.
There is no reason to believe that a block will be to "take BF out completely". And I think it is all but certain that there will be a block at some point - a fat target that allies are scared off is sure to trigger something. The question therefore is a, how broad will the block be, and b, will it be a one night stand? (and as a less relevant question for my post c, how late will it be?) I could well see a pretty broad block doing one or two days of gangbang before collapsing (or as likely only entered into on the assumption that it only be a couple of days). Equally it is possible that one of the other contenders may find one or two partners and create a longer term block war. I have no idea which would be more damaging from your perspective but the first could at least potentially be shrugged off, the second would depend on what the blocks are like.
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Re: R66 who will win

Blocks here, blocks there, who cares, it's a goddamn war game after all Wanna come, bring it, don't wanna come, then don't. Such serious business.
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