Reason could be

[TeK]

Maybe a reason why some people are so upset about this Narweet vs Vvomm cause of what took place r6. Basically vvomm is what existed of FLTV. Except for Eclipse being on the other side this round, Us as FLTV r6 took a beating for weeks straight, and that was a big adjustment from Wiping the universe for r3,4,5. This time around i have a nicer galaxy so hopefully ill stick around for the beating that everyone says Narweet will inflict on Vvomm. Virus / Titans ( Oly ) have sorta gone up hill since r6. R7 was a pretty good round for virus, aswell as r8. R7 Fury started strong but later on i rather not go into detail but it was a disgrace to all players. R8 Fury did what they could but they were outnumbered. Fury did what they could and tried to gain members and allies, so isntead Virus did what they needed to do to survive and get Titans / LDK lot to fight with them. No matter how anyone looks at it, theres always a need for 2x the players to gang up...... Every round has it, and it varieys at times. Maybe sometime in this game we can have a time where 1 alliance stands triumph on its own, without help from an other alliance. maybe then a time can be where more players come, not more planets, cause as we kno that has nothing to do with players.

So can everyone on the Vvomm Side stop flaming NarWeet on the other post AND GET ON WITH IT!

Goodluck to everyone as the r9 politics unfolded.

[Scouse]

Originally posted by TeK
No matter how anyone looks at it, theres always a need for 2x the players to gang up...... Every round has it, and it varieys at times.

FAnG/Adelante/ToT began round 8 as the biggest powerblock, and they didn't win. And Titans/LDK had barely more members than Fury when the round began.

[SpazMonster]

upset isn't the word I'd use. Disappointed maybe. It really changes nothing tho. Life goes on, battles forge ahead. This round isn't going to be easy, for anyone. Time will tell

Originally posted by Scouse
FAnG/Adelante/ToT began round 8 as the biggest powerblock, and they didn't win. And Titans/LDK had barely more members than Fury when the round began.

heh, what are the chances though that an ally as important as Adelante falls this round? Peoples can say as much as they want about where Adelante members went, but pratically none of them joined FAnG or ToT. I honestly doubt that LDK/Titans would have got close to winning if several FAnG important members and allies' planets wouldn't have been caught cheating + the fall of Adelante. Hell, even with Adelante fall, FAnG was still ahead until the massive closure.

[xtothez]

Originally posted by TeK
So can everyone on the Vvomm Side stop flaming NarWeet on the other post AND GET ON WITH IT!

Goodluck to everyone as the r9 politics unfolded.

Thats the idea.

The current strategy is to appear as the wounded puppy getting a kicking from the big bad block, try to illicit some sympathy and force a round 6 style block swtich. Which is why you will not only see masses of "blah blah blah DoS, blah blah blah multis..." on here, but grand declarations of how much they were unfairly outnumbered, and how the gap from round 8 to 9 affected so much more of their members than the rest of the universe.

The day someone comes on here and admits they lost fair and square due to being politically out-manouvered will be the day the planet spins on its axis and drops into the sun.

[Scouse]

Originally posted by [7]Gunn3r
I honestly doubt that LDK/Titans would have got close to winning if several FAnG important members and allies' planets wouldn't have been caught cheating + the fall of Adelante. Hell, even with Adelante fall, FAnG was still ahead until the massive closure.

Well that's debatable. Of course, FAnG wouldn't have done so well without the cheating, and it's one thing we shall never know.

[Scouse]

Originally posted by xtothez
stuff

Agreed.

[Cicada]

Originally posted by [7]Gunn3r
. I honestly doubt that LDK/Titans would have got close to winning if several FAnG important members and allies' planets wouldn't have been caught cheating + the fall of Adelante. Hell, even with Adelante fall, FAnG was still ahead until the massive closure.

if if if if...

put this another way..

if adelante hadn't fallen, and those fang planets hadn't been deleted for cheating, dta would never have joined the titans side, and fury would probably have never co-operated with Fang/ToT, or taken in all those Adelante rejects. Therefore, with Titans/LDK being 'so far' down the rankings (as Kjeldoran put it), it's unlikely we would have posed any serious threat, so Fury and Adelante/Fang/Tot would have fought a bloody battle, weakening each other, and Titans/LDK would have been there to finish off the winning side and claim victory

if if if if...

you can never base a pervious round on ifs. Just accept what happened, and why it did... ie.. Titans = 'da bomb'

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Scouse
FAnG/Adelante/ToT began round 8 as the biggest powerblock, and they didn't win. And Titans/LDK had barely more members than Fury when the round began.

yup, but what choice did we have? titans and Virus were already planning on attacking us (whether that would be after Fury or not doesn't really matter) and MDK openly declared war on FAnG aswell, so yes we decided to form a triad. ToT would have been our ally no matter what and well, adelante (we thought) would be a good partner aswell.

rgds Kj

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Cicada
if if if if...

put this another way..

if adelante hadn't fallen, and those fang planets hadn't been deleted for cheating, dta would never have joined the titans side, and fury would probably have never co-operated with Fang/ToT, or taken in all those Adelante rejects. Therefore, with Titans/LDK being 'so far' down the rankings (as Kjeldoran put it), it's unlikely we would have posed any serious threat, so Fury and Adelante/Fang/Tot would have fought a bloody battle, weakening each other, and Titans/LDK would have been there to finish off the winning side and claim victory

if if if if...

you can never base a pervious round on ifs. Just accept what happened, and why it did... ie.. Titans = 'da bomb'

you got a point, no need to say IF etc but atleast we're allowed to have our own opinions about it, not?

And yes, IF we didn't had the war with tits, we would have gone for Fury cause we had a minor settlement to arrange ...

rgds Kj

Originally posted by Scouse
Well that's debatable. Of course, FAnG wouldn't have done so well without the cheating, and it's one thing we shall never know.

anyway, Titans/LDK won and it is useless to discuss it further(just as you and Cicada say, and I agree with it)

but back to the main question of my reply: What are the chances that an ally as important as Adelante falls this round inside WEET/NAR rank and change totally the look of this round?

Even if it happened, since it is private galaxies, they won't be swapping sides(like DTA had done), and most peoples I assume attack with their galaxies this round.

[ComradeRob]

Originally posted by xtothez

The day someone comes on here and admits they lost fair and square due to being politically out-manouvered will be the day the planet spins on its axis and drops into the sun.

I seem to remember admitting that at the end of r6 (after NoS/WP won).

[Cicada]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
you got a point, no need to say IF etc but atleast we're allowed to have our own opinions about it, not?

i'm not saying that you're not allowed to have an oppinion. What i am saying is that the break up of Adelante was such a big event in terms of r8, and it changed the political structure of the round so much, that it's impossible to predict what would have happened if that event never occured.

just say if NoS never left Legion/Xanadu in r4...could you have predicated what would have happened to all the respective alliances in pa during r4 leading all the way up towards the end of r7. that even was a watershed mark in pa history, and it affected the outcome of things for a long time..

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Cicada
What i am saying is that the break up of Adelante was such a big event in terms of r8, and it changed the political structure of the round so much, that it's impossible to predict what would have happened if that event never occured.

exactly, and I can fairly say that maybe 4-5% of all the adelante members joined FAnG, not more

rgds Kj

[mcnally]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
I seem to remember admitting that at the end of r6 (after NoS/WP won).

****ty memory then

[RexDrax]

If only your aunt had balls,
Then she would be your uncle.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally posted by RexDrax
If only your aunt had balls,
Then she would be your uncle.

If we had ham
we could make ham and eggs
if we had eggs.

[Akallabeth]

Originally posted by TeK
Basically vvomm is what existed of FLTV.

u, sir, seriously need to get a clue


but yes, getting on with it is a good idea

[Petru]

Originally posted by TeK
Basically vvomm is what existed of FLTV. Except for Eclipse being on the other side this round, Us as FLTV r6 took a beating for weeks straight, and that was a big adjustment from Wiping the universe for r3,4,5

Not entirely true, during r6 most of the current RaH setup were strongly Furgion based. We've seen both sides of the coin now

[Maddix]

Originally posted by TeK
Maybe a reason why some people are so upset about this Narweet vs Vvomm cause of what took place r6. Basically vvomm is what existed of FLTV. Except for Eclipse being on the other side this round, Us as FLTV r6 took a beating for weeks straight, and that was a big adjustment from Wiping the universe for r3,4,5. This time around i have a nicer galaxy so hopefully ill stick around for the beating that everyone says Narweet will inflict on Vvomm. Virus / Titans ( Oly ) have sorta gone up hill since r6. R7 was a pretty good round for virus, aswell as r8. R7 Fury started strong but later on i rather not go into detail but it was a disgrace to all players. R8 Fury did what they could but they were outnumbered. Fury did what they could and tried to gain members and allies, so isntead Virus did what they needed to do to survive and get Titans / LDK lot to fight with them. No matter how anyone looks at it, theres always a need for 2x the players to gang up...... Every round has it, and it varieys at times. Maybe sometime in this game we can have a time where 1 alliance stands triumph on its own, without help from an other alliance. maybe then a time can be where more players come, not more planets, cause as we kno that has nothing to do with players.

So can everyone on the Vvomm Side stop flaming NarWeet on the other post AND GET ON WITH IT!

Goodluck to everyone as the r9 politics unfolded.

I more or less agree, except for the fact that VoM isn't quite as similar to FLTV was in terms of players as many would have you believe. Ex-Legion members are probably split pretty evenly over the two sides now.

I for one will be interested to see how and in what way the round develops politically.

[Xerxez]

Originally posted by TeK


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Us as FLTV r6 took a beating for weeks straight, and that was a big adjustment from Wiping the universe for r3,4,5. This time around i have a nicer galaxy so hopefully ill stick around for the beating that everyone says Narweet will inflict on Vvomm.
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good luck ;-)
wub you too etc..

[RooKie]

Originally posted by TeK
Maybe a reason why some people are so upset about this Narweet vs Vvomm cause of what took place r6. Basically vvomm is what existed of FLTV. Except for Eclipse being on the other side this round, Us as FLTV r6 took a beating for weeks straight, and that was a big adjustment from Wiping the universe for r3,4,5. This time around i have a nicer galaxy so hopefully ill stick around for the beating that everyone says Narweet will inflict on Vvomm. Virus / Titans ( Oly ) have sorta gone up hill since r6. R7 was a pretty good round for virus, aswell as r8. R7 Fury started strong but later on i rather not go into detail but it was a disgrace to all players. R8 Fury did what they could but they were outnumbered. Fury did what they could and tried to gain members and allies, so isntead Virus did what they needed to do to survive and get Titans / LDK lot to fight with them. No matter how anyone looks at it, theres always a need for 2x the players to gang up...... Every round has it, and it varieys at times. Maybe sometime in this game we can have a time where 1 alliance stands triumph on its own, without help from an other alliance. maybe then a time can be where more players come, not more planets, cause as we kno that has nothing to do with players.

So can everyone on the Vvomm Side stop flaming NarWeet on the other post AND GET ON WITH IT!

Goodluck to everyone as the r9 politics unfolded.

Well, most of MadCowS members sure dont come from the FLTVT side, most HC got backgrounds from elsewhere. Vision is a group that broke out of WP and Ministry was a wing of Xanadu. ViruS is also today much diffrent than they were in r6 and 7.

Most of us have taken the beating of FLTVT many times. I did my duty in r5 and r7.

MadCowS even joined most of the alliances that are today NARWEET too kill off Titans/LDK last round as they got too strong. The diffrence is that we did it when we felt they clearly was gonna win and we wanted to do our share in giving them a good fight.