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Unread 31 Aug 2004, 10:44   #51
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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

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If i was gonna do a masters id do it in a subject related to m degree (i'm thinking Forensics).

However if i did that it would just mean id get a "decent" job instead of the shit one im in atm.

As such i'm more inclined to go get a business degree with which i can earn lodsa money.
well then look round the business schools. my girlfriend has just done a masters in marketing, which she paid about 8k for. though she is Chinese and they have to pay more for some unknown reason.
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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

I screwed up my degree because of PA, beer, uni life in general. I graduated two years ago and this is my second non-shite job, and I'm not sure if I'm even going to keep it.

I'm 12 grand down to the student loans people, not paid a penny, and seven down to HSBC and struggling to repay it.

Additionally, I did work part-time through most of my degree.
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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

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well then look round the business schools. my girlfriend has just done a masters in marketing, which she paid about 8k for. though she is Chinese and they have to pay more for some unknown reason.
Usually cost between 4.5k and 6k for uk residents.
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I screwed up my degree because of PA, beer, uni life in general. I graduated two years ago and this is my second non-shite job, and I'm not sure if I'm even going to keep it.

I'm 12 grand down to the student loans people, not paid a penny, and seven down to HSBC and struggling to repay it.
woah you spent the same on beer that i did :P

15k student loan, 3k to hsbc. 1k to egg and repaying all but the loan by march
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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

I am about to start my Third Year, and apart from the 6k to the Student Loan Company (Or whatever the **** they want to call themselves now) I have money in my student account, and have paid off all credit card bills

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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

I put myself through university by actually working. So no debts. The most I had to borrow was €500 from my overdraft to go to my repeat fees.
Payed that of eventually when I managed to shake the long spell of unemployment a few months back.

Graduating in 2 weeks. Worthless degree. Shit career area. Fan-****ing-tastic.
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I put myself through university by actually working. So no debts. The most I had to borrow was €500 from my overdraft to go to my repeat fees.
Payed that of eventually when I managed to shake the long spell of unemployment a few months back.

Graduating in 2 weeks. Worthless degree. Shit career area. Fan-****ing-tastic.
but you also have no debt.
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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

I'm about to start my third year, i owe £6000 to student loan company (+3000 for final year), £1250 to overdraft, however ive managed to save a fair bit in my ISA's (jobs, milking parents, past savings), and i have about £6200 there, and will get another £1300 or so this month. My ISA will go into paying off all my debts (parents are paying for a fair bit of it). I hate this idea of staying in debt for a long time. Paying interest is a silly concept.
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you know the slc charge you quite a bit for actually paying off your loan right ?
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you know the slc charge you quite a bit for actually paying off your loan right ?
How much? I was intending in paying around £100 PM after I graduate (the interest rate is low enough to not really worry about it if I remember correctly)
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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

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How much? I was intending in paying around £100 PM after I graduate (the interest rate is low enough to not really worry about it if I remember correctly)
That was the impression I was under.

However, I'm still yet to pay them anything.
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How much? I was intending in paying around £100 PM after I graduate (the interest rate is low enough to not really worry about it if I remember correctly)
can't remember. it may say on their website.
nope doesnt.

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anyway dace i was looking at computer programming jobs for grads and they were offering around 20k, although the computing, espically game programming, sector is completely ****ed up. Most people are telling grads to do a masters and wait till the market picks up.

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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

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can't remember. it may say on their website.
nope doesnt.

best bet is to ring them and ask
the interest rate will be on your last loan statement (u get one at the end of each academic year)

its pretty small
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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

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but you also have no debt.
Can I hire you as my offical "positive outlook" guy?

I just converted my yearly salary into £ STG to have a look...I scared myself. I earn a grand total of £12,800 STG before tax per year, after 4 years of university. I was told that if I stick at this job and get 6 months experience, that I could possibly be employable in a job that pays €2000 (£1,350)more! Oh lucky me!

I just got my first pay raise though. A grand total of €282.10 over the year. Before tax. That's €5.42 a week.

Heh.



Heh heh...*cries*


I applied for other jobs and its that fking Catch 22 situation again, I have no experience so I cant get a job. I can't get experience as I can't get a ****ing job cause I have no ****ing experience!


If I was earning £12,800 in the UK would I qualify for housing benifit or something? Here I'm earning 50% too much to qualify for anything, no Medical Card (means I have to pay for everything from Doctors appointments to Hospital stays), no welfare, no housing assistance, no job help.
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What hell hole do you live in? Country-wise.
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What hell hole do you live in? Country-wise.
Ireland.
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high cost of living there innit ?
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high cost of living there innit ?
Second highest in the EU, just behind Finland methinks. So it's not a great place to live when you earn **** all.
It was that fking tech boom in the 90's, it screwed us more than most countries. We had huge inflation, utterly rediculous house prices then a crash. The prices never came down, just went up and up, while the average earnings went down and down.

The reason is the 10% of the population who own 80% of the wealth ****ing with us. They manipulate prices and keep property prices hugely inflated so they keep earning money.

It'll all crash eventually. Don't know when though.
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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

On-topic (sort of), after three years of University my starting salary was something like £11,000. This then went to £13,500 after six months.

I've sort of got a job now which pays £22k, but since I graduated three years ago I don't see that as much of an advance.
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im on 12k atm however after bills 50% of that is pure profit.
this will increase at xmas
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Sure, I'll get right on that.

Any suggestions? I only have English as a language (my French is awful and Irish isn't really an international language). Very little practical experience in my "field", not sure what my field is, seem to fall into Tech Support for some reason.

Have €1,453 in the bank.

How far will that get me?

Honestly, anyone know where there are some reasonable paying IT jobs, or any other reasonable paying normal joe-soap jobs, someplace thats nice to live?
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Honestly, anyone know where there are some reasonable paying IT jobs, or any other reasonable paying normal joe-soap jobs,
someplace thats nice to live?
I get paid £9.80/h while at uni, but the job requires a lot of knowledge about netwoking and the inner workings of PC's/Mac's/Linux (Gnome and KDE) and work as a normal tech support guy for about 6 months previously.

By the way, once you realise your degree is worth **** all compared to 1 year experience in the field then you will be a happier person. (I have about 2 years in a tech support role, and I got moved up to Tier 2 by simply asking at the right time)

Getting a good job is based on these 3 factors

- Good Degree
- Experience
- Luck

A good Degree is 2-1 or a First. In fact a fun little comment here, my housemate has a First in Computer Science, he was adamant that the "System Idle Process" controlled keyboard inputs, mouse inputs etc. Stuff at a kernel level. It took a lot of convincing and explaining how a microprocessor works for him to finally grasp this. Anyone can study for what they need to, experience and knowledge of the field is worth a lot more than a degree.

I say again Experience > Degree.

Oh, and NTL Tech Support IS FAR from recruiting, in fact as of tomorrow it is outsourced to IBM and Manpower
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Re: People who've ****ed up Uni

Well I'm ****ed then as I'll be getting a bare degree. No hons or anything. Stopped caring in 3rd year. And yeah, I know experience counts for more than the degree. The entire problem is I cant get experience as I cant get a totally relevant job, as I've no experience.

I'm in a call centre at the moment. The bottom feeders of the IT Support world. I could have done this job 4 years ago,I could have done it right out of school. I learned nothing useful from university. It's left me somewhat bemused at the whole system.
The issue is, I have plenty of hardware and PC experience, I have a good deal of network experience, I am good at troubeshooting and picking new things up.
I have all this but it means nothing without a piece of paper saying that I have done 4 years of uni.
That piece of paper will then allow me to gain 'experience' that is relevant as clearly they can't quantify my other experience as it was outside the workplace or the university.

I know my job inside and out here. I'm Level 2 tech in all but name. I support all the other agents. I don't get paid for it, I can't be promoted as the account I'm on is not permanant etc.
To be honest I'm disillusioned, the education system just chews you up and spits you out here.

I'd prefer to go live in a hut somewhere. Maybe I'll do that. On a beach, go fishing instead.
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Unread 31 Aug 2004, 17:00   #77
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Keep at it, second someone gets fired get the **** in there and kiss ass.

I work tech support and thats all thats required, the fact I have a good record for helping people in time (that is all they care about) and the fact I knew what I was doing.

But I will be in the same situation as you when I leave uni (my job security is not high at the moment as I am on a TUPE contract) so I am saving money and looking for something better, which in Swansea is very difficult, therefore I will likely work in a pub or something if I get laid off (high chance), and as I have technically only worked there a few months (as I am with a new company) I will be chucked with zero cash.

But that is life, it sucks sometimes. I would pimp your CV like a $20 whore and look for some unpaid work experience.
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Sure, I'll get right on that.

Any suggestions? I only have English as a language (my French is awful and Irish isn't really an international language). Very little practical experience in my "field", not sure what my field is, seem to fall into Tech Support for some reason.

Have €1,453 in the bank.

How far will that get me?

Honestly, anyone know where there are some reasonable paying IT jobs, or any other reasonable paying normal joe-soap jobs, someplace thats nice to live?

there are no reasonable paying IT jobs anymore :cry:
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Well I'm ****ed then as I'll be getting a bare degree. No hons or anything. Stopped caring in 3rd year. And yeah, I know experience counts for more than the degree. The entire problem is I cant get experience as I cant get a totally relevant job, as I've no experience.

I'm in a call centre at the moment. The bottom feeders of the IT Support world. I could have done this job 4 years ago,I could have done it right out of school. I learned nothing useful from university. It's left me somewhat bemused at the whole system.
The issue is, I have plenty of hardware and PC experience, I have a good deal of network experience, I am good at troubeshooting and picking new things up.
I have all this but it means nothing without a piece of paper saying that I have done 4 years of uni.
That piece of paper will then allow me to gain 'experience' that is relevant as clearly they can't quantify my other experience as it was outside the workplace or the university.

I know my job inside and out here. I'm Level 2 tech in all but name. I support all the other agents. I don't get paid for it, I can't be promoted as the account I'm on is not permanant etc.
To be honest I'm disillusioned, the education system just chews you up and spits you out here.

I'd prefer to go live in a hut somewhere. Maybe I'll do that. On a beach, go fishing instead.
Sounds similar to me, it's the old experience vicious circle. In my four years at uni I learned a lot of disenchanting chemistry and a fair bit of valuable IT stuff. I'm now doing a quasi-support role for a company who seem to have seen potential in me, but this has taken two years and the job is still temporary. If it does fall through then I will finally have some experience, but I think you'd best save me a seat and a fishing rod.
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BTW does anybody have any idea of how i could find out about what kind of high paying jobs a person with a BA/MA in buisness(/finace) degree could get?

Web sites to visit etc.

Google searches to make.
Not to be rude but a business degree is a dime-a-dozen. Just about everybody at college gets one of those, and most people started off as something in another field and just couldn't cut it there. Once you get that degree you are going to have to work for a company and suck penis to get a bigger/better position. I suggest you use your degree to start your own business in something you love. Thats the way to truly get satisfaction out of your job and make alot of money.
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Dace, you should probably read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad".
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I say again Experience > Degree.
Definitely. I got my (Psychology) degree only to realise that to do anything remotely related would entail at LEAST another year to three years of university. For one of my areas of interest, Educational Psychology, I would need 2 years teaching experience, for which it would be one year at uni doing a post graduate certificate in Primary Education, a probationary year teaching and then said experience. Oh and, in general, you need to have around a years worth of voluntary experience in a school to even be considered for the course in Scotland. The Educational Psychology couse itself is another two years, so I'd be 30 by the time I qualified, since it's been just over two years since I graduated.

For now I will stick with my stinky 10k per year job at least until Christmas until someone decides they want to help me get my foot on the first rung of the "but you need experience" ladder.

Soooo I would advise NOT going back to square one. You can always do a masters in something you didn't study, like management/HR management etc. My friend works for a company as an accounts assistant, and they are paying for her to do day release at college and put her through the exams to become a chartered accountant. Her degree is also Psychology.

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Well, I had to resit my final year due to PA, but during that year I met my wife, so bonus!

I left uni with 2k overdraft and 2k loan. I have paid off the overdraft and the government paid off £450 of the loan before I left the country (teacher repayment scheme).

Now I have left the country, I am on an 'allowed break' from my loan repayments...
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On the contacts front ...

One of my Uncles is one of the very top guys in the Royal Bank of Scotland (he handles the multi multi million pound loan type things).

Another Uncle is some kind of investment dude in London (in a very well paying job with some seniority i believe).

Another Uncle used to be (is retired now) 2nd top guy in SAA in Australia (top guy has to be South African) so maybe some buisness contacts there.

"So ANYWAYS less negativity please and lets just asume i maybe have enough contacts to 'matter' and i do ace my degree etc does anybody know what kind of job i should be aiming for?"
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What are you studying again?

I thought i'd do computing for eeevveeerr.
now i hate computing and computers.

If my second degree goes tits up im planning on teaching languages. i have tefl thing, which is pretty much bullshit btw, and i plan i working on my german and french for three years. So i can goto these countries and teach english privately as a last resort. Which as a resort is pretty cool.
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What are you studying again?

Is this to me?

I'm not studying anything atm.

I was planning on studying Business/Business Finance.
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Oh, god. If Dace is going to Uni at Durham in 2005, then (if i'm no longer with my current partnert and I get the grades) he'll be an old man at my uni. I'll have to warn all the under 5"4 girls about him.

Maybe I could set up my own security company. "Dace Protection Unit". We'd have to beat him senseless every time he approached a lady with *that* look in his eye, but by this time he'll already have an errection so I'm guessing the beatings will soon turn into another one of his sexual fantasies.

Or maybe I'm just expanding the idea a little too far...
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I'm guessing the beatings will soon turn into another one of his sexual fantasies.


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Quick little thing for you

My sister got a part time job in Carphone warehouse to buy random crap during college for her GNVQ in business studies, she then studied in Cardiff for a HND in it. ****ed up her second year and decided to go full time at carphone warehouse.

that was 2 years ago, she is now the manager of the store in Swindon earning £28k

Technically she has no degree, and makes a lot more than people her age with a degree, she is now studying part time for a degree actually which will probabably give her another promotion in the future. Luck & Experience is a lot better than a degree

Edit: again with the type of degrees, I am doing a BEng in Internet Technology and Mobile Communications. I will be a certified engineer and at the end will be able to get a goddamn decent job because of this, plus it is an engineering degree from Swansea, which makes it better (top 3 in Europe)
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