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Unread 11 Apr 2007, 23:05   #101
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

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The rep comments come from shit people who aren't willing to post their comments publicly.

They aren't willing to help because they cannot accept the truth that they have no ****ing clue about what is happening in our world. They are brainwashed, and they think everyone who disagrees with them is brainwashed.

What the people in Europe perceive as reality is fiction. I have seen it. News in Europe is fiction. I can't be clearer. I have been analyzing the European media for 19 years. My favorite thing is to watch an event and then read what the European media have to say about it. If you were not there, you do not know what happened.

You, sir, and all of your EU compatriots, are completely fooked.
What is happening in our world?

Yours,

Uneducated of Europe.
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Unread 11 Apr 2007, 23:08   #102
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

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What the people in Europe perceive as reality is fiction. I have seen it. News in Europe is fiction. I can't be clearer. I have been analyzing the European media for 19 years. My favorite thing is to watch an event and then read what the European media have to say about it. If you were not there, you do not know what happened.


This coming from the American *sigh*

If you can actually be bothered you can find out what's going on in Europe.

GOOD IDEAS

- Read the BBC website
- Read The Economist
- Read Private Eye

(well all three seem to work for me at any rate)


BAD IDEA

- Read any newspaper without engaging your sense of sceptisism


VERY BAD IDEAS

- Read any red top (that shit will make you stupid)
- Watch ITV / SKY news
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Unread 11 Apr 2007, 23:09   #103
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

Texan ... the neg rep which referred to you as a spastic was from Yahwe by the way.
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Unread 11 Apr 2007, 23:20   #104
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

We seem to have this argument 2 or 3 times a year. Every time oddly started by a present or ex f-crew member. To me it seems the argument always boils down to three points of view :-
"ignore it if you don't like it"
"it is abusive and harms the forums"
"it informs people of what is wrong with their posts so they can improve"

I suggest we adjust the system so that comments can still be given, therefore forum users can give other users advice on what is wrong with their posts so they can improve, but there is no publicly viewable rep "score". This would remove 'neg repping' to make them look worse, and may even curve the number of abusive comments received.

As I have said many times before the status quo really isn't good for this forum community in it's current state of decline. Can we finally do something about it rather than wait another 6 months for someone to point out how poor it is.
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Unread 11 Apr 2007, 23:47   #105
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

To be honest i use F-Crew (and Blue Tuba) tags as a more reliable indicator of shit than the number of green or red blobs a person may have.
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

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The rep comments come from shit people who aren't willing to post their comments publicly.

They aren't willing to help because they cannot accept the truth that they have no ****ing clue about what is happening in our world. They are brainwashed, and they think everyone who disagrees with them is brainwashed.

What the people in Europe perceive as reality is fiction. I have seen it. News in Europe is fiction. I can't be clearer. I have been analyzing the European media for 19 years. My favorite thing is to watch an event and then read what the European media have to say about it. If you were not there, you do not know what happened.

You, sir, and all of your EU compatriots, are completely fooked.
Posting comments like that publically would drag a thread off topic and ultimately ruin it for everyone.
They ( including me ) arent willing to help you since you have no interest in listening to dissenting points of view. Your opinion is already made and you will ignore anything that runs contrary to it, or simply mock it for the hell of it.
When you analyze other news sources, do you do it before or after your own opinion of what happened is formed or do you try to approach it with an open mind.
You will find that many aspects will be solid facts in both sources, and others are shaped by the opinions of the journalist reporting it. This doesnt make it fiction - it makes it a point of view.
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Unread 12 Apr 2007, 00:12   #107
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

Ohhh Rc Mayhem I'm soooooo sorry i disrespected the twats who make up F (for Fanny) - Crew. Aint nobody should be disrespeckin' those home boys.




Also it's argument not "arguement" you fud.
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Ohhh Rc Mayhem I'm soooooo sorry i disrespected the twats who make up F (for Fanny) - Crew. Aint nobody should be disrespeckin' those home boys.
I stand by my neg rep, and would neg rep you again for not keeping to the topic and for the highly abusive comment you neg repped me with. (btw, why you star out the f words and not the s? seems kinda stupid...) I mentioned F-crew merely because it was something I happened to have noticed. If another alliance members had complained about something consistently I would have said so in the same way.
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Also it's argument not "arguement" you fud.
Learn to read lol. I used the Firefox spell checker so I know for sure I didn't write 'arguement'. What an idiot!

So keeping on topic now...
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Unread 12 Apr 2007, 00:25   #109
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

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I stand by my neg rep, and would neg rep you again for not keeping to the topic and for the highly abusive comment you neg repped me with.
Oh that was me; I didn't bother signing as I thought you knew that it was me who neg repped you (only for 20 points but still) every time you posted here.
Also I did it because I found it amusing.

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Learn to read lol.
If I could neg rep you again I would just for this.
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

Keeping on-topic hasn't done a DAMN THING for this forum and i'll be DAMNED if it's gonna start now.
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I stand by my neg rep, and would neg rep you again for not keeping to the topic and for the highly abusive comment you neg repped me with. (btw, why you star out the f words and not the s? seems kinda stupid...) I mentioned F-crew merely because it was something I happened to have noticed. If another alliance members had complained about something consistently I would have said so in the same way.

Learn to read lol. I used the Firefox spell checker so I know for sure I didn't write 'arguement'. What an idiot!

So keeping on topic now...


Point 1 - I was on topic (Gimmick has alot of red blobs but i consider him a better poster than you a F-Crew member and also someone who has alot of green)

Point 2 - The last time i neg repped you was the 31st of January with the comment "You're a moron". I signed it just like i sign pretty much all of my rep (i don't give a **** ... even though it seems that by signing my rep i get neg rep back "Hello SS as the latest").

Point 3 - You did mis-spell it. I suggest you go and check out your profile.


The last two points can be confirmed by Jonny if he gives enough of a shit about it to check (i'm not overly bothered myself i just thought i'd set the record straight).
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Learn to read lol. I used the Firefox spell checker so I know for sure I didn't write 'arguement'. What an idiot!
Just to interject here, you actually did, and kila seems to have taken credit for the rep.
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Also threads about rep are the biggest waste of time ever.
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Also I did it because I found it amusing.
Should I point out I now don't care about rep. Every time I decide to post for a while I lose a couple of dots and I am fed up of trying to get the moderators to actually do their job in this area and remove those that are offensive or unwarranted. Therefore, thanks for showing again why this system doesn't work, and so what.
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Just to interject here, you actually did, and kila seems to have taken credit for the rep.
Ok I am obviously blind then. Where did I write arguement? I see 2 arguments and no arguement.
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Ok I am obviously blind then. Where did I write arguement? I see 2 arguments and no arguement.

"11 Apr 2007 23:58 disrespectful and asking for an arguement "

Your rep comment (well i guess it was you).
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Point 1 - I was on topic (Gimmick has alot of red blobs but i consider him a better poster than you a F-Crew member and also someone who has alot of green)
To be fair; Gimmick is Pig and Pig has lots of green blobs, it's just his gimmick account which doesn't.

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Should I point out I now don't care about rep. Every time I decide to post for a while I lose a couple of dots and I am fed up of trying to get the moderators to actually do their job in this area and remove those that are offensive or unwarranted. Therefore, thanks for showing again why this system doesn't work, and so what.
Before you start complaining about unwarranted neg rep, complain about unwarranted pos rep given by circle jerking, I'm pretty sure that members of your alliance do it quite a lot (you had like 10 green blobs recently and you only posted on AD, and all of that was crap too.)
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

YES!!!! THANK FU*K!! I have red rep. I am so proud. Well this is the last post I shall make here. I will make a post in the quitting PA forum and then I will be yet another long time player added to the ranks of the "retired". Thank you guys.

EDIT: oh I cant resist 1 last point out of stupidity. _kila_ - I have never had more than 4 green blobs. 10 is just fantasy and moronic on your part to suggest.
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I am fed up of trying to get the moderators to actually do their job in this area and remove those that are offensive or unwarranted.

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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

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YES!!!! THANK FU*K!! I have red rep. I am so proud. Well this is the last post I shall make here. I will make a post in the quitting PA forum and then I will be yet another long time player added to the ranks of the "retired". Thank you guys.

15 minutes ago.



When i said these rep threads were a waste of time.



I was wrong.
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

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To be fair; Gimmick is Pig and Pig has lots of green blobs, it's just his gimmick account which doesn't.

I know Gimmick is Pig.
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

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Ok I am obviously blind then. Where did I write arguement? I see 2 arguments and no arguement.
In the rep you gave to dace. Check your profile to confirm.
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

Why do people feel the need to whine. If it bothers you that much then stop posting shit. If it bothers you enough that you absolutely have to go then done whine about it, just **** off.
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To be fair to Mr Mayhem, Kila is a right tard.
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

mayhem hasn't exactly come out of this thread unscathed mind you.


also, dace, you seem to have an awful lot of hate bottled up inside about f-crew there mate...
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Unread 12 Apr 2007, 01:26   #126
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

The thing is i don't think i've ever played against F-Crew so it's nothing to do with in-game shennanigans. I think it's just the people who put F-Crew tags in their sig etc who i have observed to be, by and large, twats *shrug*



Were you F-Crew rr?
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nope, my only alliance was ICD (all those many moons ago )
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ICD? Was that the Irons one?
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Irons' one was IPC, the anti-newbie bashing fag brigade. Not sure about ICD. They were around the same time but nothing really sticks out that much about them.
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

don't think so???


stood for Inter Cluster Defence if that helps, um, i know mistwraith who kicks around here was a lot more involved with them than me


EDIT: yeah we weren't the biggest alliance, although we always had a laugh
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

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YES!!!! THANK FU*K!! I have red rep. I am so proud. Well this is the last post I shall make here. I will make a post in the quitting PA forum and then I will be yet another long time player added to the ranks of the "retired". Thank you guys.
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Re: bad rep/good rep.. what s the points and why no comments when issued?

MOTHER ****ER!!!

Some **** has deleted the thread i made for mayhem over in the departing PA forum.

DAMN IT ALL! I wrote a well sweet poem for mayhem in it too.
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MOTHER ****ER!!!

Some **** has deleted the thread i made for mayhem over in the departing PA forum.

DAMN IT ALL! I wrote a well sweet poem for mayhem in it too.
Yeah, he came to #forums and PMed JBG asking him to remove it
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Because most of you are brainwashed by the European media and brain dead anyway.

You don't really need to worry about all this stuff because the immigrants to Europe are going to kill you and all of your children anyway.
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To be honest i use F-Crew (and Blue Tuba) tags as a more reliable indicator of shit than the number of green or red blobs a person may have.
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I]Nodrog[/i]: I was complaining the weighted reputation system gives more power to the regulars so they can construct their preferred forum to the detriment of anyone who may not wish to live in this environment; therefore it forces a dull, protective clique. I can't see what rating your choler would gain.
Yeah, but you have to actually demonstrate that the system is being abused rather than just asserting that it is and then ducking out when called to justify this. It seems to me that most of the people who have red blobs are objectively terrible posters so it looks like the system is working.

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The top 50-100 posters with high rep could get it taken back down to 0 and then maybe people would stop whining.


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What the people in Europe perceive as reality is fiction. I have seen it. News in Europe is fiction. I can't be clearer. I have been analyzing the European media for 19 years. My favorite thing is to watch an event and then read what the European media have to say about it. If you were not there, you do not know what happened.
What if you're from Europe but you think all European news is rubbish? Are you still brainwashed?
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Ignorant, stupid bigot - Achi

Perhaps you'd like to point out the part of that post that isn't ignorant, stupid or bigoted and I'll gladly apologise for hurting your feelings.
You did not hurt my feelings Achilles. I did not even know who Achi is or was.

The information came from an analysis of immigrant birth rates.

The other part about you all being brainwashed is just personal observance.

For example:

How many of you support the Kyoto Protocol?

How many of you supported the Kyoto Protocol three years ago?

How many of you believe that George Bush outlawed embryonic stem cell research in the United States?

How many of you know the percentage of embyonic stem research that is currently being performed in the United States?

The list is endless. But I will use those two as examples.
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I wouldn't have considered dda that much of a "liberal" and he seems to have managed okay. Equally large-scale statements concerning "political beliefs" are fairly silly, I can't imagine you're any further right wing economically than nodrog for example. As far as I'm aware dda is a republican, dante's a marxist, nodrog's a libertarian and I'm an anarchist. None of us is regularly considered a troll. What you do is paste pieces from other places verbatim to the forums, avoid genuine argument and insist that everyone's against you just because of beliefs you hold.
DDA and I have different reasons for being here. He was just interested in finding out how Europeans feel about the United States.

I was a Planetarion player.

I'm not a Republican. I am economically right and socially left.

I think many of you are trolls based on what I see in my profile. You just troll privately instead of publicly.

I copy articles that I want people to discuss. I do not necessarily agree with all that I post. I like to see the input from this forum before I discuss the subject. Posting a news article is not trolling. It's just posting a news article. I often see posts whithout more than a line or two about what is being posted. What's the difference? One is a defense of the United States and the other is a song, a youtube link or a link about how ****ed up the Tories are.

The difference between me and the rest of the posters in this community is that I love my country. Except for the Norwegians and DDA, you all hate your country. Don't get me wrong I also think your countries suck, I just think that you do not accept me because I think my country is better than yours, and you think my country sucks more than yours.

Did I make that clear?
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How many of you support the Kyoto Protocol?
Me, its better to try to do something rather then sit on your arses with the head in the sand wishing that someone will magically come along and clean the mess up after you.
Sure you might not meet the targets but the effort to do so will have reduced your CO2 output by a little at least and you are in a better position then if you had simply not bothered to
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me again
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How many of you believe that George Bush outlawed embryonic stem cell research in the United States?
Incorrect, he simply banned government funding for it
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How many of you know the percentage of embyonic stem research that is currently being performed in the United States?
Less then it was before the ban on governmental funding since it has to be done with private money now i would presume
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How many of you support the Kyoto Protocol?
I don't support the Kyoto Protocol (although I agree to such agreements reducing CO2 in principle) - it doesn't go far enough and doesn't do enough to put the responsibility on every nation state.

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I did but I was less environmentally aware 3 years ago.

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I have no idea but it's his party that actively campaigns the most against stem cell research in the US.

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No idea, but does that my ignorance mean i've been misinformed by the european media?
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What if you're from Europe but you think all European news is rubbish? Are you still brainwashed?
If you retain some level of skeptisism then, no you are not brainwashed. Or at least might not be brainwashed.
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If you retain some level of support for the US Imperialist machine then, no you are not brainwashed. Or at least might not be brainwashed.
I thought I'd translate that. American Enoglish can be so confusing.
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Empires are not necessarily a bad thing. It's when they do things that aid global instability (like Iraq) when things become worrying.
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Empires are not necessarily a bad thing. It's when they do things that aid global instability (like Iraq) when things become worrying.
So if the Iraq War had resulted in a stable Iraq which was 100% a puppet regime of America then it would be a good thing?
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Me, its better to try to do something rather then sit on your arses with the head in the sand wishing that someone will magically come along and clean the mess up after you.
Sure you might not meet the targets but the effort to do so will have reduced your CO2 output by a little at least and you are in a better position then if you had simply not bothered to
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Incorrect, he simply banned government funding for it
Less then it was before the ban on governmental funding since it has to be done with private money now i would presume
I think it is better to do something that is effective rather than to do something that is ineffective. Maybe that is just me being an ignorant American.

Would it not be better to sequester CO2 to take it out of the atmosphere, or even God forbid, take actions to drop the temperature of the planet by one or two degrees?

Yes, The United States still does about half the embryonic stem cell research in the world. The Europeans want the United States to do 90 percent, that's why they complain so much about Bush.
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