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Razorback · 29 Jun 2003, 04:22

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Originally posted by cyphie
and about cheating... i doubt you are one to say anything focht
but tbh i've had enough of these AD lame flaming things..... so i'll let you all think what you want and i'll see ya all later

I stated about the use of escorts. Might be "friends", didnt mix it with cheating accusations. I wondered where the rucphen ppl got their callsign for you from nothing more :eek: If you have something to say about cheating, im interested to hear about it cypher.

Iceaxe · 29 Jun 2003, 07:00

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Originally posted by Scouse
Seems to be a massive change of opinion for a lot of people since about 6 months ago.

6 months ago it wasn't a free round. :/

Tomkat · 29 Jun 2003, 07:05

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Originally posted by cyphie
i doubt there's anyone who has the intelligence to see what's happinin anyways.....

I'm not normally one to shout "OMG CHEATER!!11" in any game if people are winning.

However I do find this a little strange.

LDK aren't one of the biggest alliances out there.

And yet, as you have accused "us", 6-7 alliances launched on two of your planets.
So if 6/7 alliances launched, then how did you possibly cover them both with all your members?

I doubt it is down to some truly amazing calcing, as you had other members to cover, and I'm sure not all LDK fleets were at home. In fact, I doubt all the LDK members were online at the time of incomings.

I'm not pointing fingers, but I am quite curious as to how you miraculously conjured up all those ships?

Parthos · 29 Jun 2003, 07:22

Discussion of this issue is certainly diverting and amusing, but I think the real point is generally being missed here.

All games are full of players who cheat. This is a fact, and it's not fun or exciting to discuss anymore, except for the fun of pointing fingers and being morally superior (those of us who can be, that is).

The really interesting and amusing point here is that LDK is (and has always, though people didn't notice/chose not to notice in the past) the one alliance who builds their entire rounds' [plural] strategy around a backbone of cheating. ie, how can we utilize/exploit this game's current round dynamics to our advantage...and in r8 and 9.5 (in recent times) it's come down to: 'ok free round; this means we sign up loads of multi planets and use them as an integral part of our alliance's strategy to win.'

The issue right here isn't players who cheat; it's an alliance who uses cheating as the cornerstone of its strategical plans for 'winning.' It's not individuals we're talking about here; it's ingrained, institutionalized plans for how best to cheat the system for the alliance's advantage. That's what's so incredibly dirty about it, and that's why so many people are sick and tired of it. A few individual players cheating is fairly easy to deal with. An entire alliance whose strategical foundation is presupposed on cheating is a pain in the ass...kill one roach, another one will sign up a few more planets to fill in the gap.

BetrayerOfHope · 29 Jun 2003, 13:05

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
Maybe couse the so-called multihunter in this game have taken a summer vac, nobody will really pay notice to the winnder of this round?

then pa never had a winner so far ...

BetrayerOfHope · 29 Jun 2003, 13:13

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Even LDK has spies in their channels., a concept which might be new to you.

your spys can see more things than i do?
interessting

BetrayerOfHope · 29 Jun 2003, 13:16

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Originally posted by Tomkat
I'm not normally one to shout "OMG CHEATER!!11" in any game if people are winning.

However I do find this a little strange.

LDK aren't one of the biggest alliances out there.

And yet, as you have accused "us", 6-7 alliances launched on two of your planets.
So if 6/7 alliances launched, then how did you possibly cover them both with all your members?

I doubt it is down to some truly amazing calcing, as you had other members to cover, and I'm sure not all LDK fleets were at home. In fact, I doubt all the LDK members were online at the time of incomings.

I'm not pointing fingers, but I am quite curious as to how you miraculously conjured up all those ships?

the thing is how u use the sources u have and how u have organised your organsation at all and ldk was always good in getting mutch effect with small possibiltys thats one of the reasons why they were successfull in the past. its hard to discribe when u haven't seen it with your own eyes or worked close with them ...

Zeus · 29 Jun 2003, 13:29

I cant beleive people are still surprised at a number of LDK cheating

Whats new about it?

Scorpio · 29 Jun 2003, 13:40

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Originally posted by Parthos

... bogus ...

The really interesting and amusing point here is that LDK is (and has always, though people didn't notice/chose not to notice in the past) the one alliance who builds their entire rounds' [plural] strategy around a backbone of cheating. ie, how can we utilize/exploit this game's current round dynamics to our advantage...

... bogus ...

Infact LDK builds their strategy around a few high ranked players. Whomever reaches the top first stays there. They do alot to keep it that way, round 6 pointed that out as well.

(Atleast Cryptic knew how to write nice accusation posts

)

Zeus · 29 Jun 2003, 14:01

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Originally posted by Unf_Slasher
the current example is, 5 planets attacking... 1 via normal ip. big ugly ****er.
perfect data filled in, all is correct.
all the others being played via proxy or anonymizer.
that way the 4 small ones get closed, but nothing can be proven on the big one (paraphrasing what i got told when i asked why he is open).

Nothing new, if theres a way to cheat they will and never admit it, and laugh at the people who believe them

G.K Zhukov · 29 Jun 2003, 14:52

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Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
the thing is how u use the sources u have and how u have organised your organsation at all and ldk was always good in getting mutch effect with small possibiltys thats one of the reasons why they were successfull in the past. its hard to discribe when u haven't seen it with your own eyes or worked close with them ...

And how do you explain the 0.7mill planets, the 2.7mill planets and the 3.5mill planets defending LDK then?

General Martok · 29 Jun 2003, 14:55

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
And how do you explain the 0.7mill planets, the 2.7mill planets and the 3.5mill planets defending LDK then?

/me looks at score... HEY not all 3,5Mill players are multies ffs

G.K Zhukov · 29 Jun 2003, 14:57

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Originally posted by General Martok
/me looks at score... HEY not all 3,5Mill players are multies ffs

Ofcourse not. But its something wrong when some people claim LDK is so leet, when alot of their defence comes from planets smaller than myself, who has been inactive the whole round..

Jykke · 29 Jun 2003, 15:07

holy crap,
just have a quick eye on this thread please,
what are you people doing

flaming LDK
again? oh rats thats just something so new

I think even the most slow minded undertand
the facts by 'now' go waiste your time on something
else than whining on these boards,

we all know.

Tomkat · 29 Jun 2003, 15:22

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Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
the thing is how u use the sources u have and how u have organised your organsation at all and ldk was always good in getting mutch effect with small possibiltys thats one of the reasons why they were successfull in the past. its hard to discribe when u haven't seen it with your own eyes or worked close with them ...

You actually believe in what you're saying, don't you?

See, people complain about alliance blocking etc. But at least that is a legal political tactic.

Signing up multiple accounts to support the alliance's top players... well it's dirty. Pathetic.

SilverSmoke · 29 Jun 2003, 15:28

LDK is operating on a huge Lithuanian chat server, It's a massive community. I don't know if you have ever been on a chatserver, I mean a server not ment for gaming, or any kind of other mutual interest but just socializing.

There are ****loads of people on their chatting the entire day, its not something that only happens in Lithuania, for example www.chatcity.nl (dutch irc server) has ****loads of people living on their.
And I mean living.

Now, as LDK is based on such a server and so a lot of them lithuanians have a lot of friends up there being online all day chatting around, a lot of them have indeed a planet for the fun of it and to support their serious playing LDK friends.

colour us black people, I love it. Let them hate us as long as they fear.

Divine_Shadow · 29 Jun 2003, 16:56

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
And how do you explain the 0.7mill planets, the 2.7mill planets and the 3.5mill planets defending LDK then?

Uhm Mr Zhukov, there have been a lot more of these so called 0.7 mill planets attacking LDK then defending LDK. In fact 75% of the recent waves attacking LDK's topplayers are sub 3 mill planets!

The fact is LDK has been better then other alliances since I got to know them in R4 and they still are. They simply have more fighting spirit.

I'm sure there are cheaters in there ranks but not more then the average of any PA alliance.

Knight Theamion · 29 Jun 2003, 18:08

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Originally posted by Divine_Shadow
Uhm Mr Zhukov, there have been a lot more of these so called 0.7 mill planets attacking LDK then defending LDK. In fact 75% of the recent waves attacking LDK's topplayers are sub 3 mill planets!

The fact is LDK has been better then other alliances since I got to know them in R4 and they still are. They simply have more fighting spirit.

I'm sure there are cheaters in there ranks but not more then the average of any PA alliance.

dont diss vision!

Parthos · 29 Jun 2003, 18:34

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Originally posted by Scorpio
Infact LDK builds their strategy around a few high ranked players. Whomever reaches the top first stays there. They do alot to keep it that way, round 6 pointed that out as well.

And this contradicts my post how?

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Originally posted by Scorpio
(Atleast Cryptic knew how to write nice accusation posts )

How many warnings does it take to get kicked from Eclipse anyway? Seems it must be higher than 3 or so

K03N · 29 Jun 2003, 19:19

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
LDK is operating on a huge Lithuanian chat server, It's a massive community. I don't know if you have ever been on a chatserver, I mean a server not ment for gaming, or any kind of other mutual interest but just socializing.

There are ****loads of people on their chatting the entire day, its not something that only happens in Lithuania, for example www.chatcity.nl (dutch irc server) has ****loads of people living on their.
And I mean living.

HAHAHAHA

fs silversmoke. the average chatcity user wouldn't be able to login as they'd probably get problems with solving the login-questions.
don't tell me you can build a pa community on chatcity-like servers. thats bull****+++

SilverSmoke · 29 Jun 2003, 19:22

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Originally posted by K03N
don't tell me you can build a pa community on chatcity-like servers. thats bull****+++

you didnt really understand my point did you?

I am not saying an entire ****ing chat community is being a PA community, ..

omg I dont even want to explain anymore, just go on with your witchhunting bull****, we have a lot of fun in our rooms reading the whining crap over here.

Cochese · 29 Jun 2003, 19:31

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
LDK is operating on a huge Lithuanian chat server, It's a massive community. I don't know if you have ever been on a chatserver, I mean a server not ment for gaming, or any kind of other mutual interest but just socializing.

There are ****loads of people on their chatting the entire day, its not something that only happens in Lithuania, for example www.chatcity.nl (dutch irc server) has ****loads of people living on their.
And I mean living.

Now, as LDK is based on such a server and so a lot of them lithuanians have a lot of friends up there being online all day chatting around, a lot of them have indeed a planet for the fun of it and to support their serious playing LDK friends.

colour us black people, I love it. Let them hate us as long as they fear.

Okay, I have a question then. How well would LDK do with purely "playing" members? No support planets, no friends helping out. Let's say they have 100 members, all playing to get roids and increase their planet-size, not to escort their top planets' pods around. Let's face it, no regular players have interest in escorting someone else's pods--they lose ships and gain nothing, but their friends gain free roids. If someone asked me to do it, I'd tell them quite bluntly to "**** off".

This isn't a troll. There's nothing illegal about what they're doing, as long as their support planets aren't multi accounts. I just find it interesting that, instead of having a 'normal' alliance, they have taken a different--and "contraversial"--approach.

It is an efficient tactic. Having an army of low-roid, high defense ship bearing planets obviously has advantages in that they're expendable resources. You get what you need out of them (escorts/defense) and don't have to worry about defending them. The formula obviously works, as the results are proof enough of that.

SilverSmoke · 29 Jun 2003, 19:41

wtf u guys on about? did you actually ever see newsies?
Maybe the biggest difference is that even our top20 planets are deffing members on a daily base.

Cochese · 29 Jun 2003, 19:55

I haven't seen any newsies, so I can't comment.

You're avoiding the main point of my inquiry though.

Scorpio · 29 Jun 2003, 19:58

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Originally posted by Razorback

Even LDK has spies in their channels., a concept which might be new to you.

Guess again

I'm sure you would have found out that I was in LDK if you actually had decent spies in LDK channels.

SilverSmoke · 29 Jun 2003, 20:02

heh

JonnyBGood · 29 Jun 2003, 20:08

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
you didnt really understand my point did you?

I am not saying an entire ****ing chat community is being a PA community, ..

omg I dont even want to explain anymore, just go on with your witchhunting bull****, we have a lot of fun in our rooms reading the whining crap over here.

Can I just ask someone who these planets actually are. Are they just random lithuanians that get recruited or what? I must admit I find myself slightly confused by some of the reports I've seen.

lokken · 29 Jun 2003, 21:19

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
omg I dont even want to explain anymore, just go on with your witchhunting bull****, we have a lot of fun in our rooms reading the whining crap over here.

Are you claiming that LDK have friends on this network who casually play planets and send defence as/when required and is convenient.

HobbieRogue4 · 29 Jun 2003, 21:24

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Originally posted by Zeus
Nothing new, if theres a way to cheat they will and never admit it, and laugh at the people who believe them

It's nothing new that certain "Creators" ignore obvious account-swappers, cheaters, etc. Especially after they have been reported by FELLOW GALAXY MEMBERS.

I'm still waiting for the apology for allowing two of Round 6's "Dragons" galaxy members to remain open.

Fifth_teletubbie · 29 Jun 2003, 21:26

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
wtf u guys on about? did you actually ever see newsies?
Maybe the biggest difference is that even our top20 planets are deffing members on a daily base.

http://www.pilkara.com/parsers.php?scanid=898732284

None of the defenders are over 10m size, only three are over 6m size and most are well below 4m size.

Not exactly top20 planets last I looked.

Jackal2112 · 29 Jun 2003, 21:33

hey ss, i bet on those chatservers all the brohters and sisters chat also, the ones who sent def?

oh well r10 will be pay to play again, and we all know poor ldk multis wont be able to pay for one, let alone 2 accounts.

and now, stfu noobs and lets bash LDK

Jackal2112 · 29 Jun 2003, 21:35

ps.

i have a 80roids, 700k planet in my gal, who has at peak times 3 defensive fleets out at the same time, all fi and numbers (he has 2200 ships atm, i think he lost some today.. hehe)..

guess what kind of planets he was deffing?

let me rephrase that, guess which alliance he was deffin.

The_Fish · 29 Jun 2003, 21:35

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Originally posted by Jackal2112
and now, stfu noobs and lets bash LDK

you've done a great job so far

Jackal2112 · 29 Jun 2003, 21:37

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Originally posted by The_Fish
you've done a great job so far

the fish, your posts make me sick, so stfu please

every thread I read on here as about 20 of your lame posts, you think you know it all, you actually now sh*t and you have nothing useful (or amusing) to add to the convo anyway, so kindly; fk *f

Scorpio · 29 Jun 2003, 21:40

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Originally posted by Jackal2112
hey ss, i bet on those chatservers all the brohters and sisters chat also, the ones who sent def?

oh well r10 will be pay to play again, and we all know poor ldk multis wont be able to pay for one, let alone 2 accounts.

and now, stfu noobs and lets bash LDK

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Originally posted by Jackal2112
the fish, your posts make me sick, so stfu please

every thread I read on here as about 20 of your lame posts, you think you know it all, you actually now sh*t and you have nothing useful (or amusing) to add to the convo anyway, so kindly; fk *f

Got 2 questions for you...
1) how old are you?
2) what is the age expectancy in england?

SilverSmoke · 29 Jun 2003, 21:46

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Originally posted by Scorpio
Got 2 questions for you...
1) how old are you?
2) what is the life expectancy in england?

It's our beloved Lord Dain!

/me fluffles Dain once again

Jackal2112 · 29 Jun 2003, 21:48

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Originally posted by Scorpio
Got 2 questions for you...
1) how old are you?
2) what is the age expectancy in england?

answer to 1 and 2:

> you

Jackal2112 · 29 Jun 2003, 21:49

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
It's our beloved Lord Dain!

/me fluffles Dain once again

doh.. its the SuperSuck again....

Divine_Shadow · 29 Jun 2003, 21:52

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Originally posted by Jackal2112
hey ss, i bet on those chatservers all the brohters and sisters chat also, the ones who sent def?

oh well r10 will be pay to play again, and we all know poor ldk multis wont be able to pay for one, let alone 2 accounts.

and now, stfu noobs and lets bash LDK

p2p hasnt stopped LDK from winning other rounds..

in fact even R9 the #1 and #3 planets were in fact LDK members fighting for eclipse.

Scorpio · 29 Jun 2003, 21:53

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Originally posted by Divine_Shadow
p2p hasnt stopped LDK from winning other rounds..

in fact even R9 the #1 and #3 planets were in fact LDK members fighting for eclipse.

don't say that, because some people won't accept that LDK infact never stopped existing

The_Fish · 29 Jun 2003, 21:54

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Originally posted by Jackal2112
the fish, your posts make me sick, so stfu please

every thread I read on here as about 20 of your lame posts, you think you know it all, you actually now sh*t and you have nothing useful (or amusing) to add to the convo anyway, so kindly; fk *f

OR I just have too much time on my hands.

Divine_Shadow · 29 Jun 2003, 22:05

Fact is LDK has had the #1 ranking planet in 5 out of 7 rounds they played.

You could also just say : Well played LDK! and take a good look at how they actually do it in stead of trying to think up all kinds of pityfull excuses.

Parthos · 29 Jun 2003, 22:12

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Originally posted by Divine_Shadow
Fact is LDK has had the #1 ranking planet in 5 out of 7 rounds they played.

You could also just say : Well played LDK! and take a good look at how they actually do it in stead of trying to think up all kinds of pityfull excuses.

We did look at how they do it, which is why this thread has taken the direction it has

SilverSmoke · 29 Jun 2003, 22:14

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Originally posted by Parthos
We did look at how they do it, which is why this thread has taken the direction it has

you know nothing sir

/me sits back again on our server with his mates laughing and pointing at the whining girls over here

Divine_Shadow · 29 Jun 2003, 22:17

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Originally posted by Parthos
We did look at how they do it, which is why this thread has taken the direction it has

Seems I have to repeat myself.

LDK does not cheat. There may be some members in it who cheat on an individual basis like in every pa alliance. Those people will always be there if there's room for that in the game.

Divine_Shadow · 29 Jun 2003, 22:21

Ok i'll give you a hint.

Take 30-40 "l33t norl" players who aim for top 100 scores.

Take 40-50 who aim for a top 250 ranking.

Do not allow dual alliances and membership of those n0rty BG's with conflicting interests. Have all your members attack and defend with your alliance and you're a long way there.

Jackal2112 · 29 Jun 2003, 22:51

the one eyed is ruler in the land of the blind...........

Divine_Shadow · 29 Jun 2003, 22:52

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Originally posted by Jackal2112
the one eyed is ruler in the land of the blind...........

indeed he is

JonnyBGood · 29 Jun 2003, 23:05

Offensive stopped? Doubt it. Childish flaming stopping? Doesn't look like it. Thread stopped.