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Unread 24 May 2003, 00:24   #1
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Barebone System
Specification Includes:
AMD AthlonXP 2800+ (2.083GHz, 512KB Cache 333MHz fsb) Processor
512MB PC2700 DDR333 Branded Memory (1 x 512MB)
AMD Approved Heavy Duty Heatsink & Cooling Fan
ASRock K7S8X ATX 200/266/333/400 fsb Motherboard w/LAN/Audio
On-Board AC97 5.1 Channel Stereo Sound

On-Board 10/100 RJ45 Network LAN
1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive
ATX Nokia 8870-S Midi Tower Case with 350W Power Supply



£339.00

Now all the necessary stuff i require i can pick up or salvage from my current machine (monitor , decent mouse/keyboard) , a graphics card , i can get a decent one for about £60 , and a hard drive i can get from DABS.

So gents , would this be a decent buy?
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Unread 24 May 2003, 00:26   #2
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Don't like to rock your boat, but graphics?



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That probably wasn't very clear.
What I meant was: are you sure about taking graphics from your old machine?
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Unread 24 May 2003, 00:31   #3
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I'm going to expand on what I said earlier a little.

In a pc of those specifications, anything less than a Radeon 9700 pro or 9800 pro is seriously underpowered compared to what the processor can do.
Modern gaming is not really about processor spead - it's about how fast your graphics card is.

Now as you're obviously building to a budget, there's no way you can afford a 9700, so what I'd suggest is knock the processor back to an XP2400+ and buy a GeForce4 Ti4600 or Ti4800 (NOT 4800se ffs).

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I don't even know what my graphics card is.

But it can't be any good because Command and Conquer: Generals runs really slowly.
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Just posting to say my other computer has a GeForce 4 in it. Ti4600 btw.
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Unread 24 May 2003, 15:04   #8
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I don't even know what my graphics card is.

But it can't be any good because Command and Conquer: Generals runs really slowly.
Generals eh?

Good man.

ps.

Control Panel/(Performance and Maintanance if in XP or similar)/System/'Hardware' tab/Device Manager/Display Adapters.
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Apparently it's an NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420.

Whatever that may be.
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Something rubbishish.
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Apparently it's an NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420.

Whatever that may be.
Arse.
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Something rubbishish.
Well that's what I assumed.
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Well that's what I assumed.
Buy a new computer.

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Buy a new computer.

College fees are optional.
I have a 2.54 GHz processor and 512MB RAM. I think I just need a new graphics card.

Plus this one's nice and black.
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Mine are RED and YELLOW respectively.

The graphics cards anyway.
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Editors Note : Please go compare c0ck sizes elsewhere. I was looking for some reasonably helpful advice on whether £339 is a decent price to pay for that Barebone system
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Proteus: Why do you think places like PC World can do these "amazing" deals where you get 2.5Ghz machine for £600 or whatever?
A machine like that should be carrying a DX9 card worth £300 odd quid, but instead they put in a peice of crap hardly worth the PCB it's printed on instead, like your GeForce4 MX (which is actually slower than Nusselts GeForce3) - or worse, they use onboard graphics which are normally even ****ter.

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You had it. From me anyway.
In case you missed it: Everything you mentioned is fine but I'd go for a slower processor and splash out on the graphics.
Hence the ensuing discussion of graphics.

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You had it. From me anyway.
In case you missed it: Everything you mentioned is fine but I'd go for a slower processor and splash out on the graphics.
Hence the ensuing discussion of graphics.

£339 is the listed price for it. I dont think i can specifically ask them to lower the processor speed. And getting a decent Graphics card isnt an issue. I can survive with a crap one until i get paid next month, then blow a large amount of my wages on one of them thar cards that Jakiri has.
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I see - didn't realise it was an actual retail system, thought it was either one you were putting together or a quote for one someone was doing for you.

If you're fine with bascily buying two graphics cards (although as one isn't mentioned in the spec I assume it's going to be onboard?) then that looks well priced enough.

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Get the 9800 pro for £350 or so.

It's faster than GOD.

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£339 is the listed price for it. I dont think i can specifically ask them to lower the processor speed. And getting a decent Graphics card isnt an issue. I can survive with a crap one until i get paid next month, then blow a large amount of my wages on one of them thar cards that Jakiri has.
in which case, go for it, then pick up a 9800 pro next month for it
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Assuming god's a kind of graphics card.
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in which case, go for it, then pick up a 9800 pro next month for it
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You can get really cheap gods if they're almost at their sell by date.
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It depends if you have a nectar card or not.
I do now.

But as I don't shop as Sainsbury's I can't really use it for anything other than booze.

Sainsbury's in general is also as, if not more, expensive than God on an item by deity basis.
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Out of M&S and Sainsbury's, I'll go to the Science Minister's one.
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Out of M&S and Sainsbury's, I'll go to the Science Minister's one.
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I am using a Voodoo 2 Banshee because my GeForce is noisy and annoys me, and I dont play 3D games anyway. Also, I have to run my computer with my motherboard at a 45 degree angle rather than flat.
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I am using a Voodoo 2 Banshee because my GeForce is noisy and annoys me, and I dont play 3D games anyway. Also, I have to run my computer with my motherboard at a 45 degree angle rather than flat.
As far as I could tell, you didn't HAVE TO, it's just your case is falling apart.

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'voodoo banshee', not voodoo 2
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