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Unread 7 Nov 2002, 15:50   #1
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If u are not good enough hack

This is a sad story about the xraiders BG

to make it little more clear what everything happened here is a small history

5 weeks ago
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titans planned an overkill attack on all FaNG top planets
my BG was asked to take down 2 planets Titans didn’t know that we have FaNG in our BG but we were still asked and took measures to prevent titans attacking. Worked well they were busy defending La Ketchup from xan fake fleets
this was showing leet skills of titans letting a FaNG claiming himself as target


4 weeks ago
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FaNG forum was hacked resulting Fenix Lockhead and 3 other FanG got closed


3 week ago
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The Seeker got closed, as he was in my gal i was asked by Chax (a titan) not to def him against his incoming


Chax> [15:52] <Chax> I would like the status of my galaxy revised
<Chax> [15:52] <Scouse|afk> definately
<Chax> [15:52] <Chax> we had 2 hostiles in the gal
<Chax> [15:53] <Chax> FeNiX and TheSeeker
<Chax> [15:53] <Scouse|afk> yep
<Chax> [15:53] <Chax> FeNiX was closed
<Chax> [15:53] <Chax> and TheSeeker traded out
<Chax> [15:53] <Chax> so I reported him 1h ago
<Chax> [15:53] <Chax> and now he's closed too
<Chax> [15:53] <Chax> so 0 hostiles left in my gal
<Chax> [15:53] <Chax> in addition to that when DTA hit seeker this
morning I asked gal not to def
<Chax> [15:53] <Chax> they didn't
<Chax> [15:54] <Chax> Thus I would like to have full gal protection
back
<Chax> [15:54] <Sc
<Chax> 15:54] <Chax> Thus I would like to have full gal protection
back
<Chax> [15:54] <Scouse|afk> ok
<Chax> [15:54] <Scouse|afk> i agree
<Chax> [15:54] <Scouse|afk> ill let you know tonight

as i wanted to def it said the account is closed and under protection, incs still arriving but no way to def
so some1 knew the exact time when he will be closed and they had 5 ticks of defenceless roids

Friday 2 weeks ago
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Attack on draki

no comment read it
http://pirate.planetarion.com/forum/...hreadid=152276

Saturday 2 weeks ago
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well a lot happened

Fury priv server was hacked
with their def channel down the titans started their attack on Fury (well maybe only a fortunate coincidence)
FaNG not liking titans very much helped out and got retaled themselves
my BG helped out and covered especially draki again (he was covered in 15 minutes)
i also retaled a titans HQ

Than some planets from our BG defending Draki were closed
including 6 top 80 players my BG had, all planets defended draki and other fangs several times.
Reason for closing us Account sharing

evidence? well no reply from Zeus now but read this plz:

[18:42] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:05:08| <ado> can i ask a
question
[18:42] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:05:10| <ado> all these people
[18:42] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:05:17| <ado> were they all in
one attack group ?
[18:42] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:05:19| <Lockhead> yes shoot.
[18:42] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:05:37| <ado> were they all in
one attack group ? ,--
[18:42] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:05:39| <Lockhead> hm. I dont
know, i think a fwe of them were
[18:42] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:05:40| <ado> ^^
[18:42] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:05:43| <ado> well
[18:43] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:05:49| <ado> from what i am
told
[18:43] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:06:03| <ado> this attack
group shared logins.. one of them leaked a copy containing all their passies
[18:43] <[CLOSED]meddy> [18:07] <Lockhead> |18:06:13| <ado> thats what i
know
[18:43] <[CLOSED]meddy> ado = titans HC

later we found out that someone passed the whole irc folder of one of our BG member to Zeus and ofc there were all our l/p
someone hacking a PC and downloading the whole irc folder can also easily get the passwords by installing a certain tool

well its my battlegroup and our best players r closed now.
my BG lost about 40 % of its capacity including the 2/3 of the HQ and BC


more to the “xraiders” BG:

i had an idea of making a xandrathii BG
we gathered a nice bunch of ppl, we got also some well-known names
than more and more ppl even changed the race to be in our BG
we got Silvercity we got several top 10 and top 100 players from last rounds
we had several allies in the BG mostly Rock Templar, OuZo and
FaNG

In our group we had several highranked ppl, also a lot of BC getting
us the best targets
we were active really active
we have a good webby with a lot of features
we made good 72-tick plan concentrating on speed only
first attacks started @ tick 80
most ppl attacked twice or 3 times a day
most of us got GC in their gal
most of us can get defence easily in their ally
we had good intel on all happening (all but the hackers)
we are a nice team of friends
The HQ of xraiders talks daily to each other via phone
we have a mobile list with which we can wakeup ppl easily
also a way to wakeup all ppl in the needed channels and getting
defence by writing 1 word
we had only one rule: " we defend all our members no matter what
ally attacks us"

we wasn't a BG only we were a team
we killed several high ppl
ask Hellfish loosing 50 % of his score
or ask WA why he only got roids once from our BG member

what i see is skillz and not cheating
we said its last round and lets make the best of it and put 150 % efforts in it



As Zeus doesn’t answers to my mail where i ask for evidence a few
questions here hope he answers it here

all here taken from http://home.planetarion.com/news.php?id=29

Zeus: must say something on the closing of account sharers, multi's &
cheats.

don't call me cheater sharer or multy without evidence
only if sharer means someone not enough skilled to protect himself
against being hacked

Zeus:
1. You can never disclose your login & password to others.
2. You must never access more than one account, or allow another to
access your account.

so it’s our fault if we get hacked? close the victims show the rest of PA
how to win the war



Zeus:
Now, more recently, 20 or so planets have been closed for account
sharing, this group where from different alliances, but I believe all part
of an attack group


^btw nice intel
well 10 ppl were in xraiders 6 of them were top 100
all of us defended draki
all of us are German
all of us been closed were anti titans what we showed pretty often
well we had a spy who sacked us but we didn’t care about security too much, we had more infuse on others than other did on us
our coords could be found on webby or simply in our pa actions and our IP over the irc connection
well the one who did it i can just say great "m8" one man killing so much efforts with one bloody dead

Zeus:

To some, given a URL to go to, which does not require any login or password and is openly viewable to anyone who goes to the URL, is hacking as hey shouldn’t have that URL
Claims of “hacking” a player’s computer, who had all the logins & passwords of everyone, etc...

^^ Sure if we would cheat we would make it so stupid simple

I can tell u there is NO list.

Zeus:
Although, we dislike it happening and would never condone such a thing, but quite frankly, Fifth Season AS, as well as ANY other online company, can not take responsibility for your own computers security.

if u dislike it close the ppl that gave u this intel


i know this thread will surely not end in reopening our accounts ( i also lost my whole fleet as couldn’t pull )
think i should be happy that they closed me now and not when being higher on top
its only sad that u make no reaction or even the wrong one
I reported at least 10 planets last round accuse they were cheating obviously but nothing happened
be member of some allies i will not name and higher ranked than u are safe
ofc at the end of round one Big planet of these ppl will be closed so rest of pa is fine (only alibi)
PA was wondering what is killing the game and making less and less ppl play well here u

Sorry for making such a large thread but I didn’t even put 10 % what I wanted to say

Thanks to all members of xraiders (which is more or less still active) for the great effort and all ppl supporting us, see you soon on a new battlefield

You are the best

50:7:10 End of Line
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Unread 7 Nov 2002, 16:03   #2
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Beautifully written and time consuming post, riddled with inaccuracies, and veiled accusations of foul play by other alliances. You must be a very bitter person. By chance were you one of the closed planets?
 
Unread 7 Nov 2002, 16:03   #3
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Re: If u are not good enough hack

Quote:
Originally posted by Sjor
later we found out that someone passed the whole irc folder of one of our BG member to Zeus and ofc there were all our l/p
someone hacking a PC and downloading the whole irc folder can also easily get the passwords by installing a certain tool
I do not grasp this part. I'm pretty sure who ever looks through my PC is unlikely to find passwords from other players. How could one player have all your login passwords in his IRC folders ????

Also noone in his right mind would use the same login and password on both IRC as he would on PA. That is just plain stupid.

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Re: If u are not good enough hack

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later we found out that someone passed the whole irc folder of one of our BG member to Zeus and ofc there were all our l/p
*shrug*

(not that i support hacking or whatever you accuse ppl of)

but 'of course all your logins and passes were in the irc logs' ?

haaaaaaaaaaaha
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Beautifully written and time consuming post, riddled with inaccuracies, and veiled accusations of foul play by other alliances. You must be a very bitter person. By chance were you one of the closed planets?
Scan 50:7:10 and u will know
at closing time my rank was #66

inaccuracies well havent thought this all will happen so not all the dates are right but the rest should be
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As a curiosity, what outcome where you hoping for with this post?
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As a curiosity, what outcome where you hoping for with this post?
i surely know we will not get open again
its just an End of Line in PA for a lot of ppl and lot of efforts

hopefully Zeus will reply better than in his post
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Let me just say for the final time, Titans, have not hacked in the past, do not hack currently nor will ever hack in the future, other peoples or alliances servers, forums or computers in any way shape or form. It is illegal, and it is not tolerated. If your group had a leak, dont blame your poor internal security on any alliance conducting illegal activities plz.
 
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Let me just say for the final time, Titans, have not hacked in the past, do not hack currently nor will ever hack in the future, other peoples or alliances servers, forums or computers in any way shape or form. It is illegal, and it is not tolerated. If your group had a leak, dont blame your poor internal security on any alliance conducting illegal activities plz.
and ofc u know all ppl 100 % and u control all titans 24/7
and i didnt say it were titans i just said its weird that everytime thir name falls
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i surely know we will not get open again
its just an End of Line in PA for a lot of ppl and lot of efforts

hopefully Zeus will reply better than in his post
and of course you still think that sharing all your logins and passes within the battlegroupies was right and stuff.. just the 'hacking from titans' was which got you closed...

yes zeus better come here and reply! and finally reopen those righteous login sharers!
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Ah, so you were the one leaving 14k dead corvette pilots at my doorstep, cost me 78 roids tho, rather annoying losing roids to a closed planet :/
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Sjor, you are a pleasant guy and a good BC to have around but you should still explain how all your logins and password could be on one mans computer.

You seem to reply on other matters so you following your thread but the only important question really is how all of your logins and password got out in the open.

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and ofc u know all ppl 100 % and u control all titans 24/7
and i didnt say it were titans i just said its weird that everytime thir name falls
First of all Titans did not report all of these players, 2nd of all, if we were to get any intel on account sharing and report it, we would verify 100% that it was obtained legally. Finally when one side of the story is painted so colourfully by one who is obviously biased on this topic, it is hardly surprising our name crops up everywhere now is it?
 
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Ok as suspected this post is doing nothing but causing problems. Sjor if you have a problem with Zeus then deal with him directly.

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Ah, so you were the one leaving 14k dead corvette pilots at my doorstep, cost me 78 roids tho, rather annoying losing roids to a closed planet :/
sorry wanted to pull
can u get me the combat reports?
couldnt see them
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