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Unread 30 Jan 2005, 04:49   #101
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a) Why? It's acceptable where I'm from, and amongst my friends. As long as I keep it out of school etc, as it might be controversial, then I'm ok. I've used the word "gay" as "rubbish", or "cruddy" amongst some of my homosexual friends, and they don't care. I've asked them if they get offended, and they don't.

b) I could rise to you here, and go "hey yahwe i wasn't trying to be funny shut up k", but instead i'll just call you a gaylord and sit back contentedly.
a) pointed white hats, burning crosses and dead black people were acceptable 'among some peoples friends'.

b) Gaius, as i believe i made clear in the other thread. in which case gaius julius is ok as a name sake.
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Unread 30 Jan 2005, 05:00   #102
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a) pointed white hats, burning crosses and dead black people were acceptable 'among some peoples friends'.
As long as they're content without their fried chicken and watermelon, I think we can all get on harmoniously.

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b) Gaius, as i believe i made clear in the other thread. in which case gaius julius is ok as a name sake.
Yahwe? More like RAGING FAGGOT.
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Unread 30 Jan 2005, 05:02   #103
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As long as they're content without their fried chicken and watermelon, I think we can all get on harmoniously.



Yahwe? More like RAGING FAGGOT.
a) the fried chicken is actually quite good

b) 'gay lord', goyorg, gaius. that's the words

if you don't like gay people. that's up to you.
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Unread 30 Jan 2005, 05:05   #104
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a) the fried chicken is actually quite good

b) 'gay lord', goyorg, gaius. that's the words

if you don't like gay people. that's up to you.
HEY YAHWE

A spoonful of "hey shut up yahwe" makes the medicine go down

PS Shut up Yahwe.

I've made 2 posts that quite clearly state that I like gay people.
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Unread 30 Jan 2005, 05:12   #105
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HEY YAHWE

A spoonful of "hey shut up yahwe" makes the medicine go down

PS Shut up Yahwe.

I've made 2 posts that quite clearly state that I like gay people.
we must have crossed wires.
i don't understand your anger.

you said quite clearly that you use the word 'gay' as an insult.
i understood you have gay friends, you like gay people.

all i as is this do not use the word gay to mean 'something that is not right'

i know you think it means no harm. i agree. you mean no harm.
but it causes harm.

i feel strongly that if we ever meet i will like you. so as a possible future friend stop using the word gay to mean something bad.
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Unread 30 Jan 2005, 05:20   #106
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i don't understand your anger.
I'm not angry duder. I don't get angry on the net much, as I take most comments with a pinch of salt. If I got offended, I normally try to act all clever and "out-smart" you (google is a great asset) - don't worry, I haven't lowered myself to that pitch yet.

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i feel strongly that if we ever meet i will like you. so as a possible future friend stop using the word gay to mean something bad.
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[19:03:54] 05(TomKat05): i'd love to meet Yahwe, that'd be amusing - although i bet he's dull in real life

Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.
I'll fall back on the old internet excuse of being a little drunk and a little tired. You can't go wrong with that! (plus, it 's true, and everyone knows being drunk on the net is cool, right?)
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the only thing that scares me is all those squares
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the only thing that scares me is all those squares
Yeah, I tried editting to get rid of them but it went all funky and deleted stuff I didn't want to delete. I think the squares make colours and things in IRC. Some geeky script I downloaded ages ago - god I'm a great prospective ICT teacher.
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Yeah, I tried editting to get rid of them but it went all funky and deleted stuff I didn't want to delete. I think the squares make colours and things in IRC. Some geeky script I downloaded ages ago - god I'm a great prospective ICT teacher.
i support you

but big brother tells me i have no rep points left to give.

what an arse he is
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As long as they're content without their fried chicken and watermelon, I think we can all get on harmoniously.
HEY THATS RACIST!!!
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I'm not angry duder.
i think you meant dudette (?) erRRrR, i mean uhm.. im just kidding
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If this thread has shown nothing else it has shown that people are very reluctant to admit they are prejudiced.
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Two guys kissing. It happens very rarely, as most homosexuals seem to have relationships on a level higher than just physical, and are not that intimate, unless in an accepted area, such as a gay club.
No, it's not that common but your reasoning is dead wrong. Think about what you wrote for a moment, you even provide all the facts required to draw the correct conclusion.
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No - I actually love gay people, for the most part they're a lot more amusing and interesting than straight people.
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Two guys kissing. It happens very rarely, as most homosexuals seem to have relationships on a level higher than just physical, and are not that intimate, unless in an accepted area, such as a gay club.
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No, it's not that common but your reasoning is dead wrong. Think about what you wrote for a moment, you even provide all the facts required to draw the correct conclusion.
I'd say that the reason you rarely see two gay men being affectionate is because our prejudiced society has forced them to be far more discreet. When they do kiss publically like any hetrosexual couple, it's met with disgust and insults by the general public. The end result - they're only affectionate in areas where it's acceptable, such as gay clubs or their own homes.
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I'd say that the reason you rarely see two gay men being affectionate is because our prejudiced society has faced them to be far more discreet. When they do kiss publically like any hetrosexual couple, it's met with disgust and insults by the general public. The end result - they're only affectionate in areas where it's acceptable, such as gay clubs or their own homes.
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Re: Do you have a gay in the office?
Frankly, I find homosexuality to be a little repulsive. I don't hate homosexuals, mind you. Similarly, I think 'bling' culture is absurd, though I do not hate everyone who wears big chains.

There are some people that do not appreciate the volume of a child's crying. I'm not sure these people should be labelled as prejudiced.

PS. It is ironic that whilst perfectly willing to bash 'chavs', some people here object to homophobia.
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PS. It is ironic that whilst perfectly willing to bash 'chavs', some people here object to homophobia.
I don't see how that's ironic.

Anyway, I don't mind homophobia in the slightest, I undoubtedly have various homophobic attitudes. I'd just be a lot more comfortable if everyone just admitted to their prejudices rather than hiding behind "But I love gay people" / "My best-friend / brother / mother is gay" type clichés.
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It is ironic because, essentially, the sentiment is the same in both cases.
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It is ironic because, essentially, the sentiment is the same in both cases.
chav is a voluntary lifestyle. a choice.
being gay ain't.

being a chave means you act in certain way, talk in a certain way, dress in a certain way.

being gay means you fancy the opposite sex.

please tell me exactly how the sentiment is the same.
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You misunderstand me. The sentiment I refer to is the bashing itself, not what is being bashed.
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You misunderstand me. The sentiment I refer to is the bashing itself, not what is being bashed.
chavs are bashed because it is a voluntary lifestyle choice...

i still fail to understand any similarity.
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chavs are bashed because it is a voluntary lifestyle choice...

i still fail to understand any similarity.
No, they are bashed for being different.
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No, they are bashed for being different.
different because they choose to do certain things.

gay people are only 'different' in the loosest use of the term.

you risk trivialising homophobia and its effects
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different because they choose to do certain things.

gay people are only 'different' in the loosest use of the term.

you risk trivialising homophobia and its effects
I am not trying to categorise or define 'chavness' or homosexuality, I am merely pointing out that prejudice is prejudice is prejudice.
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I am not trying to categorise or define 'chavness' or homosexuality, I am merely pointing out that prejudice is prejudice is prejudice.
There's nothing wrong with either prejudice or passing judgement; indeed both are essential to life. What is important is making sure that your prejudices are well-founded, and your judgements correct. Homophobia (real homophobia) does not quailfy.
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There's nothing wrong with either prejudice or passing judgement; indeed both are essential to life. What is important is making sure that your prejudices are well-founded, and your judgements correct. Homophobia (real homophobia) does not quailfy.
I feel that I must again turn to my trusty dictionary:

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n. 1. preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience
> unjust behaviour formed on such a basis.
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> unjust behaviour formed on such a basis.
anti chav feeling may not be prejudice.

you are seriously in danger of trivialising homophobia if you persist in this posting style and this line of argument.
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I could argue that from a certain Christian perspective, anti homosexual feeling may not be prejudice. You would probably disagree with me, but then again, I disagree with you.
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I could argue that from a certain Christian perspective, anti homosexual feeling may not be prejudice. You would probably disagree with me, but then again, I disagree with you.
holding a religious belief does not entitle you to redefine the meaning of words.

edit: not to mention that fact that being prejudiced against someone is against the teachings of joshua bar joseph.
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holding a religious belief does not entitle you to redefine the meaning of words.
I have done no such thing. Nodrog attempted to, though.
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if you want to live in a world where putting the words 'i mean no offence' after an offensive comment mean there is no offense then knock yourself out kid.
I agree it's bad to live in such a world. But jumping to the conclusions you have just seeks bipolarity. Which could even force him towards being homophobic if he wasn't before.
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I agree it's bad to live in such a world. But jumping to the conclusions you have just seeks bipolarity. Which could even force him towards being homophobic if he wasn't before.
i was saying he was homophobic, just hiding it when posting here.

if by uncovering his lies he becomes openly homophobic rather than covertly homophobic i have lost nothing.
if by uncovering him i shame him into rethinking his views we gain an enlightened person.
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Christian perspectives are inherently irrational, hence all judgements based solely upon them would share this feature.
I cannot see why belief in a God is 'not logical or reasonable'. Be that as it may, however convenient it is to label all thought that stems from such a belief irrational, I do not believe it to be the case.
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"I read a book that said homosexuality is wrong, so it is" qualifies as an irrational 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience' however you're slicing it.
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It is ironic because, essentially, the sentiment is the same in both cases.
I could be prejudiced against black people but not prejudcied against large breasted attractive blonde models. That wouldn't be "ironic".
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chav is a voluntary lifestyle. a choice.
being gay ain't.
being a chav (ive never heard this word to describe 'trash' and 'rednecks' before so its not as repulsive to me) is a lifestyle - but at a really early age, under a supervision of a "chav" family, lifestyle isnt really a choice until you turn independent.. so thats that..

being a homosexual is technically, a concsious and a psychological choice - hence the term "sexual preference" - because our bodies are not designed to couple with the same sex
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being a homosexual is technically, a concsious and a psychological choice
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG JESUS CHRIST YOU ARE SO COMPLETELY WRONG JESUS CHRIST NEVER ATTEMPT TO MAKE A POINT AGAIN

AND JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK IT, DOESN'T MAKE IT A FACT

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Re: Do you have a gay in the office?
Homosexuality can be either a lifestyle choice or not, depending upon precisely how you are using the term. Being attracted to men does not make you a 'homosexual' - deciding that you are only going to be attracted to men does.
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Homosexuality can be either a lifestyle choice or not, depending upon precisely how you are using the term. Being attracted to men does not make you a 'homosexual' - deciding that you are only going to be attracted to men does.
so are you trying to say that people who are gay rather than bisexual are just being obstinate?
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so are you trying to say that people who are gay rather than bisexual are just being obstinate?
It's the good old "everyone's bisexual" argument.
Which I actually agree with.
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I think what he's trying to say is that you can swing both ways.





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so are you trying to say that people who are gay rather than bisexual are just being obstinate?
No, bisexual is a fairly useless term too. I wouldnt even say that a person who has only been attracted to men up until a particular point in his life qualifies as homosexual either, unless he has actually chosen to label himself as such and decided that he will continue being attracted solely to men in the future. It's a verb vs noun thing - it makes no more sense to say that someone 'is' a homosexual because he has performed homosexual acts that it makes sense to say that someone 'has' a psychological complex because he acts in a certain manner.
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No, bisexual is a fairly useless term too. I wouldnt even say that a person who has only been attracted to men up until a particular point in his life qualifies as homosexual either, unless he has actually chosen to label himself as such and decided that he will continue being attracted solely to men in the future. It's a verb vs noun thing - it makes no more sense to say that someone 'is' a homosexual because he has performed homosexual acts that it makes sense to say that someone 'has' a psychological complex because he acts in a certain manner.
i'm confused here.

Do you percieve the possibility that some people aren't, and won't ever be, attracted to girls? If so, how can you claim this is a conscious decision to 'be gay'? and if not, nicely trolled.
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i'm confused here.

Do you percieve the possibility that some people aren't, and won't ever be, attracted to girls? If so, how can you claim this is a conscious decision to 'be gay'? and if not, nicely trolled.
I'm sure that there are people who wont ever be attracted to redheads, but there's no need to invent a new noun and pretend they 'are' something because of this. Also I never mentioned anything about conscious decisions.
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