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Unread 22 Jun 2010, 13:55   #51
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Re: PA Multihunters - Bringing back the lols

Oh, glad to see it isn't Hosies rulername / planetname that's causing the downtime!

No seriously, if the galaxy in question had reported the bug and left it with the first 1m donation I could've accepted it as okay but the second 49m donation just makes it utterly ridiculous. And yeah that doesn't have anything to do with me being Ascendancy, it's just (I'd hope) common sense. Bug abuse is crossing a line, and I think it's fair to call it that given 2 donations and the fact that the resources appear to have been spent. If they get away with it I'd be disappointed.

Also while I didn't personally find Hosies fleetname offensive except for the part where he thinks the sport is called soccer, it's not as if the multihunters haven't reacted to what's been percieved as homophobic names before so guess he could've seen it coming somehow. The only problem with the whole thing is how it's not really consistent (Which I guess is because most people aren't offended and don't report), seeing as people get away with worse names. I'd also like to mention that Hosie finally had to rename his planet today. What's weird is that it was reported already at tick 13 or so, and not changed then, and yes I can see how people would find it offensive. Consistency please! Players have a right to know what to expect to be okay or not.
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Unread 22 Jun 2010, 13:59   #52
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What I do find slightly amusing in all this, is that people are blatantly trying to test the limits of what's wrong and what's not, and when they get "punished" (allbeit in a ridiculus way) they have the audacity to jump up on their fences yelling: "Oh my god, I've been hard done by." and then they later brag about how many times they've been warned for offensive r/p or fleetnames.
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To be honest I'm fairly sure that with strict and consistent guidelines we'd see a lot more renamings for a while and then the whole "issue" would go away. You could probably reasonably well check R/P with something like a spamfilter specifically tuned for the task at signup and shuffle and catch most of the trash.

I don't really see it is a big issue either way, the community isn't that big and I doubt many people take it seriously, and if they do then they can report it, but like I said above, I think the MH should be consistent about what's considered a naughty name. Now while Theams reporting of Hosie at tick 13 was obviously not "serious" in that he didn't really feel offended, once the planet name was noticed and apparently okayed there shouldn't be second thoughts (Yes, they should've renamed him right away instead of changing their minds weeks later).
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Unread 22 Jun 2010, 14:18   #55
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Changing his r/p name was more of a retalliation for daring to mock the MHs, that's why the decision was changed.
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To be honest I'm fairly sure that with strict and consistent guidelines we'd see a lot more renamings for a while and then the whole "issue" would go away. You could probably reasonably well check R/P with something like a spamfilter specifically tuned for the task at signup and shuffle and catch most of the trash.

I don't really see it is a big issue either way, the community isn't that big and I doubt many people take it seriously, and if they do then they can report it, but like I said above, I think the MH should be consistent about what's considered a naughty name. Now while Theams reporting of Hosie at tick 13 was obviously not "serious" in that he didn't really feel offended, once the planet name was noticed and apparently okayed there shouldn't be second thoughts (Yes, they should've renamed him right away instead of changing their minds weeks later).
Speaking as a player that had : Adolf Histler of My name offends you for a round without getting warned I have to agree with you that it isnt that hard to go through and censor any offensive names.
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Changing his r/p name was more of a retalliation for daring to mock the MHs, that's why the decision was changed ALLEGEDLY.
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Re: PA Multihunters - Bringing back the lols

lets be honest, if you're offended by someones r/p name over the internet, you definitely need to sort your ****ing life out.
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lets be honest, if you're offended by someones r/p name over the internet, you definitely need to sort your ****ing life out.
While I understand what you are driving at, and even to a certain extent agree with you, it is worthwhile remembering that not ALL of the internet is actually /b/.
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While I understand what you are driving at, and even to a certain extent agree with you, it is worthwhile remembering that not ALL of the internet is actually /b/.
What Alki said is not the only/main issue in this thread. The problem is closing planets for 30 minutes (and possibly screwing over another planet which the closed one was defending - even if that planet happens to be Isil's), poor judgement of fleet names (punishing Hosie because he had "poofs" while letting others get away with far worse), closing the planets because of the owner's attitude (for not accepting the MHs lecture), warnings gave out for the smallest innuendo (Buddah's galname/banner for last round was locked because he had set a Tiger Woods refference/ the galbanner had the guy and a -not naked- chick in it and Butter considered it to be offending to women), coming back on a decision for hosie's r/p name after apparently one was made after t13 when it first got reported and, above all, the MHs crappy attitude towards players (CUSTOMERS, GUYS, CUSTOMERS).

And, on a side note, the rest of the PA Team isn't much more oriented towards the player (YES, STILL, THE CUSTOMER) either.
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What I do find slightly amusing in all this, is that people are blatantly trying to test the limits of what's wrong and what's not, and when they get "punished" (allbeit in a ridiculus way) they have the audacity to jump up on their fences yelling: "Oh my god, I've been hard done by." and then they later brag about how many times they've been warned for offensive r/p or fleetnames.
It's a natural reaction to censorship. It's someone forcing their morals and beliefs upon the rest of us, until the rule becomes that the lowest common denominator is all that is allowed. In the process, expression and emotion is outlawed, all because of a misguided idea that because you restrict speech, the bad thoughts will also go away. It doesn't work that way.
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Re: PA Multihunters - Bringing back the lols

Your fleets have been renamed. 'POOF goes the wand' 'POOF said the magician' 'cheesy POOFS'

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How about POOF The Magic Dragon?
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If you two get closed I'm quitting.

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Re: PA Multihunters - Bringing back the lols

Should Hosie have been warned for the fleet name such as that? Personaly i think not. I find it quite amusing actually.

Should Hosie learn to not be such an abusive person to people? (baring in mind he pretty much has a perminent ban in #planetarion for his usual behavour) Yes deffinatly.


In Conclusion: MH shouldnt of warned him for somthing as stupid as that, however Hosie shouldnt be such a tard/abusive to people in general. So your both in the wrong. Now lets all move on
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Karma can be a smurf, or in this case a MH.
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Assassin do you fancy rewriting your post in English please?
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funny I always remembered "Poof" being a toy company, now its some euro-trash slang for homo's. whats next "Lego's" going to be the next slang for some erotic toy?
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Ive never understood the MH's attitude towards closing people. They seem to close people for absolutly stupid reasons where they should just be warned or use a hard-coded system to stop the abuse.

Abusive Fleet Names is one such thing which someone should never be closed for, if someone uses an abusive fleet name then they should just have there ability to rename fleets removed (and then removed for every round once the passport system is in place). There is absolutly no reason to ban a player for it and its unjustifiable when the fleetname in question is banned due to the word 'POOF'.
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Closing somebody temporary for that?
Seriously?

I've seen some pretty retarded shit in my time here, but that is an all time low...

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You also get closed for personally insulting lets say person A. person A thinks it's funny but some totally random person B is offended and reports you.
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What Alki said is not the only/main issue in this thread.
Agree totally, which is pretty much why I find the drooling knee jerk "well if people don't want to be offended they shouldn't log on to the interweb!" responses so tedious.

Its the juvenile need of much of this community to constantly try and be "funny" which makes the MH job pretty much impossible.

Of course the MH then compound the problem by being remarkably consistent in their inconsistency.

I also often feel that what is "acceptable" here on the forums is generally a lot closer to the bone than what is acceptable in p/r or fleet names - e.g. if you don't describe things you don't like as "gay" here on the forums it won't be long until someone questions your sexuality, yet its much riskier doing that on your galpic r/p or fleet names.
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lets be honest, if you're offended by someones r/p name over the internet, you definitely need to sort your ****ing life out.
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e.g. if you don't describe things you don't like as "gay" here on the forums it won't be long until someone questions your sexuality, yet its much riskier doing that on your galpic r/p or fleet names.

I see. This is an interesting perspective. Does it make the forum moderators more loose by their morals, or the multihunters more strict? Or one of them too strict? Imagine a bunch of fleet names: "Multihunter's", "Female Thing", "A lot of Sand". I'm tempted to sign up an account just to see how long this would fly - I don't think it'd be appreciated.

While you find the "don't get on the internet if you don't want to be offended" argument tedious, I think there needs to be a line drawn in the amount of petty bickering certain parties involved put into censorship. It's a real world out there, and if you get offended by things along the lines of "soccer is for poofs" then for God's sake be sure to have your valium with you if you ever exit your house. I hear worse stuff than that in the resident lunch restaurant.
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Ok I had enough of the personal attacks on 1 of my team members.
For the reccord I will not go in to details of cases but I will go in to the incorrect stuff i read here.

For starters Butter wasnt the person that warned/closed/reopened the planet in the first place.
In the banner case.
Banners are checked and discussed in the team (and only a warning was given for this banner).

I find these personal attacks on her way out of line and uncalled for.
If you want to blame someone blame me since I'm the head of that department.
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"hatred" towards Asc ? no, PA is just an online game, I like to provoke Asc on their forum that's all, I enjoy their insults and how fast they react angrily. It seems they put their life in it, I'm impressed and yes I'll never be like them... what a failure.
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Ok I had enough of the personal attacks on 1 of my team members.
For the reccord I will not go in to details of cases but I will go in to the incorrect stuff i read here.

For starters Butter wasnt the person that warned/closed/reopened the planet in the first place.
In the banner case.
Banners are checked and discussed in the team (and only a warning was given for this banner).

I find these personal attacks on her way out of line and uncalled for.
If you want to blame someone blame me since I'm the head of that department.
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To be honest I'm fairly sure that with strict and consistent guidelines we'd see a lot more renamings for a while and then the whole "issue" would go away. You could probably reasonably well check R/P with something like a spamfilter specifically tuned for the task at signup and shuffle and catch most of the trash.

I don't really see it is a big issue either way, the community isn't that big and I doubt many people take it seriously, and if they do then they can report it, but like I said above, I think the MH should be consistent about what's considered a naughty name. Now while Theams reporting of Hosie at tick 13 was obviously not "serious" in that he didn't really feel offended, once the planet name was noticed and apparently okayed there shouldn't be second thoughts (Yes, they should've renamed him right away instead of changing their minds weeks later).
why does the size of the community matter ? 3, 300 or 3000 ? wheres the cut off point at wether an issue matters or not ?

anyway just to remind the *community* that the MH never comment on anything they take action/inaction on and keep everything they do private and confidential, so when your looking to get an official comment from them, bring a sleeping bag and a very large book, because you'll be here a very long time.
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In the banner case.
Banners are checked and discussed in the team (and only a warning was given for this banner).
I'm sorry to say this, but if that's indeed the case, then you have a serious communication issue going on in your team. Butter justified that by saying it's offensive to women and that's why it was removed (twice). However, if you decide to insist that it was a team decision, I'll post the chatlog when I get home.
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I'm sorry to say this, but if that's indeed the case, then you have a serious communication issue going on in your team. Butter justified that by saying it's offensive to women and that's why it was removed (twice). However, if you decide to insist that it was a team decision, I'll post the chatlog when I get home.

And your point is ?
Banners are checked and if found incorrect it gets discussed in the team.
If decided it needs a warning it gets a warning.
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why does the size of the community matter ? 3, 300 or 3000 ? wheres the cut off point at wether an issue matters or not ?
You misunderstand me. My point was that the size of the community actually playing the game makes it very viable to check, via manual labor whether names are to be considered against the rules or not, so this really shouldn't be a big and controversial issue.

We have what, 1000 players or so? It couldn't take more than a few hours at most to go through those. Seriously, the limit for the fields is 20 characters, so it would have to be at most 40 000 characters of text. That's not a whole lot.

Edit: The text above is I'd say something like 500 characters long, so it's about 80 times as much text in the worst case, and there's more than one multihunter.
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Agree totally, which is pretty much why I find the drooling knee jerk "well if people don't want to be offended they shouldn't log on to the interweb!" responses so tedious.

Its the juvenile need of much of this community to constantly try and be "funny" which makes the MH job pretty much impossible.
Really? You're arguing that "juvenile" people like Hosie are making the MH's jobs "pretty much impossible" by having fleet names that include the word "poof", which is apparently on par with racial slurs and expletives?

Listen to yourself man. I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but if you're seriously offended by MOST of the fleet names and p/r names you find in the game, you really need to take a step back and look at your shit.

A week or two ago there was a gal banner that was essentially hardcore porn. Those are the kind of issues that need to be addressed, not people using the term 'poofs' in their fleet names.
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And your point is ?
Banners are checked and if found incorrect it gets discussed in the team.
If decided it needs a warning it gets a warning.
My point is that Butter gave an explanation on it, which I said above. Afterwards, you show up and say it's a team decision. What I think, is that you are trying to cover the ass of someone in your "team".

In regards to the last phrase in your first post, I'm blaming you(your "team") to be incompetent and utterly horrible at your job and communicating to the customers. I base that on this entire thread and the lack of even an apology from you in regards to Hosie's closure.
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My point is that Butter gave an explanation on it, which I said above. Afterwards, you show up and say it's a team decision. What I think, is that you are trying to cover the ass of someone in your "team".

In regards to the last phrase in your first post, I'm blaming you(your "team") to be incompetent and utterly horrible at your job and communicating to the customers. I base that on this entire thread and the lack of even an apology from you in regards to Hosie's closure.
Again.
The banner case is a team decission and if you dont believe that I cant help that.
Discussing cases in "public" isnt something we do since the NDA doesnt allow us too.
And what you base on a thread is your thing, I cant stop you there.
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The banner case is a team decission and if you dont believe that I cant help that.
Discussing cases in "public" isnt something we do since the NDA doesnt allow us too.
Obviously NDA doesn't allow you to discuss the case in public. However, I'd really expect that the NDA does allow you to convey the reason of a particular warning to a customer (how on earth could a customer know what (s)he did wrong if you weren't allowed to?). From here on, it's the customer's descision whether or not (s)he wants to announce the descision in public. In this case, he's done so.

You're really performing great acts of escapism if you're going the route that you're implying there was more to the deletion of the banner than butter gave out (which would imply that you aren't indeed telling your customers exactly why you're deleting their banners for), or, alternatively, that butter was speaking off her mind (thus implying that the banner wasn't removed for the reason butter gave to the customer, which would then result in a grand act of unprofessional behavior on the side of butter blatantly lying to a customer on a case where the customer's being punished for misbehaviour).

Really, Captain Planet, even with the chivalric rescue vibes, how hard is it to actually convey the customer the actual reason of the punishment (here; removal of the banner), and why isn't a multihunter capable of doing it reliably (here: butter)? You should seriously either consider sacking these completely incompetent multihunters (butter) for not being able to tell the truth to the customers, or revise your NDA (if you're actually not allowed to tell your customer the collective reason to your collective descision).

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I'd say that when a person makes public statements about their closure, that gives the multihunters the permission to comment on the case as well. It's a bit of a thin line to walk, I guess, but correcting inaccurate or false statements should be allowed, while obviously disclosing information unrelated to the statements of the person in question is not done.
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A week or two ago there was a gal banner that was essentially hardcore porn. Those are the kind of issues that need to be addressed, not people using the term 'poofs' in their fleet names.
Yes, it is people like this I am talking about, not Hosie.
The interesting thing, which I would suggest you think about for a while, is that when people like that get closed, the posts condemning the closure read almost EXACTLY like your post directed at me - i.e. "OH MY GOD, THIS IS THE INTERNET, HOW CAN YOU BE OFFENDED BY MY HARDCORE PORN GALPIC?!"

What then happens is someone like Hosie comes along, makes a relatively inoffensive fleet name, launches it at someone who is a bit unhinged and soon there is a MH closing them because well, we cant have people called poofs on the internet.

Tietäjä: regarding your reply to me, I think that both the forum and the game are pretty vague with regard to what is acceptable.

I think the attitude of the forum moderators appears to be that the less moderation that is done the better. Having said this, there is very obviously a line which must not be crossed, and a much more consistent approach to the task as compared to how the MH work.

For the record the phrase "soccer is for poofs" doesn't offend me, and I am pretty sure that it wasn't Hosies intention to offend or discriminate against homosexuals - although Im pretty sure he was trying to offend and discriminate against fans of association football.

I strongly suspect though, that if there weren't so many people (as nolezy rightly points out) making GENUINELY racist, sexist, homophobic comments on forums and in game, that this thread may never have existed...
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Tietäjä: regarding your reply to me, I think that both the forum and the game are pretty vague with regard to what is acceptable.

The gaping difference between a vibrant picture of "hardcore indian midged bondage sadomasochism pornography with anal insertions" and "LOL OMG SOCCER IS FER POOFS" or "FREE MAN'S SOAP PLANET 1945" fleet names is actually so thin it's clouding my self-righteous ego-ridden judgement. Or is my self-righteous massive ego and the need to vindicate my lack of e-penis to just about anyone who doesn't listen to my preachings clouding my judgement after all?
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Re: PA Multihunters - Bringing back the lols

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Yes, it is people like this I am talking about, not Hosie.
The interesting thing, which I would suggest you think about for a while, is that when people like that get closed, the posts condemning the closure read almost EXACTLY like your post directed at me - i.e. "OH MY GOD, THIS IS THE INTERNET, HOW CAN YOU BE OFFENDED BY MY HARDCORE PORN GALPIC?!"
In fairness it's been quite a while since that was the case. Let us not forget that one of the current multihunters called someone a lying lith shitbag (or something to that effect not too long ago). I mean that's so much worse than this case it's unreal. And that guy got made a multihunter and hosie got temporarily closed thereby ****ing up his planet. Gr8.

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What then happens is someone like Hosie comes along, makes a relatively inoffensive fleet name, launches it at someone who is a bit unhinged and soon there is a MH closing them because well, we cant have people called poofs on the internet.
It got launched at 1.1 for the record. I severely doubt anyone actually reported it.
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Re: PA Multihunters - Bringing back the lols

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The gaping difference between a vibrant picture of "hardcore indian midged bondage sadomasochism pornography with anal insertions" and "LOL OMG SOCCER IS FER POOFS" or "FREE MAN'S SOAP PLANET 1945" fleet names is actually so thin it's clouding my self-righteous ego-ridden judgement. Or is my self-righteous massive ego and the need to vindicate my lack of e-penis to just about anyone who doesn't listen to my preachings clouding my judgement after all?
Nah, I just think you like to use fancy words for the hell of it
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Re: PA Multihunters - Bringing back the lols

I'm not offended by images of people ****ing. It's also quite a natural human activity, and not something anyone really needs to be protected from imo. Thinking kids don't seek out this kind of stuff on their own is just naive and, quite frankly, irrelevant. No harm is done to anyone by showing images of people having sex.
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