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power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
i heard some1(current phrak/mistu HC) who was closed by pa-team did offer money 2 jolt and pa-team to get him + his *multies* reopened....Pa-team didn't want 2 open em, and now jolt made sure he got reopenend....
don't know wheter i tell the story 100% correctly, but i just wanted 2 share this rumour with you guys
[edit] dunno what actually is with the HC from phrak and mistu atm since they merged, so just put down phrak/mistu [/edit]
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[18:45] <Helix> if two wrongs dont make a right its twice as wrong to do something wrong to right it
[00:22] <Doom> Where as in most cases it appears multing is an individual thing, LDK organises it and uses it. Making it an effective unit with a small number of players. It makes sense just not part of the rules. They just organised cheating =-)
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12 Jul 2004, 16:37
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
This sounds like rubbish tbh.
wild speculation.
im told on regular ocassions to shut down threads on these boards which openly critisise her Majestys Government.
The man who asks me to do it is the Prime Minister himself.
'do it or be killed'
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12 Jul 2004, 16:38
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
jolt = corrupt feckers? :\
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12 Jul 2004, 16:53
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
person in question is BBW or BigBadWolf... also known by his fake/multi Ironic...
known to be offering money to jolt ... has been closed and opened multiple times now... has also been known to private message people he knows around pa and tell them he is buying pa/jolt and threaten to ban them from anything pa related...
now reopened after jolt threatened to fire the pa rep if he did not reopen the accounts in question...
That better JammyJim?
and yes, i'm getting asked 2 write all this stuff
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[18:45] <Helix> if two wrongs dont make a right its twice as wrong to do something wrong to right it
[00:22] <Doom> Where as in most cases it appears multing is an individual thing, LDK organises it and uses it. Making it an effective unit with a small number of players. It makes sense just not part of the rules. They just organised cheating =-)
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12 Jul 2004, 16:58
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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That better JammyJim?
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12 Jul 2004, 17:24
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
i'm guessing a denial from dom is required on this one, and given his community presence i can't see that happening. you know the saying tho, no smoke without a fire, just a case of who's burned i guess
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12 Jul 2004, 17:44
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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has also been known to private message people he knows around pa and tell them he is buying pa/jolt and threaten to ban them from anything pa related...
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I'm going to PM people and tell them I'm going to buy the earth and have them shot off of it in space pods with little oxygen if they don't comply with my wishes now.
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12 Jul 2004, 17:47
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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I'm going to PM people and tell them I'm going to buy the earth and have them shot off of it in space pods with little oxygen if they don't comply with my wishes now.
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Just because you are not stupid enough to believe what random people on IRC are saying to you, doesnt mean that everybody else is aswell..
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12 Jul 2004, 17:59
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
I'm not sure whether you were trying to make a compliment, or were making a dig, so...
THANK YOU :)))))))))
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12 Jul 2004, 18:04
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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I'm not sure whether you were trying to make a compliment, or were making a dig, so...
THANK YOU ))))))))
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it was neither
I 3> you to btw :P
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12 Jul 2004, 18:05
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
oh, i heard that they initially refused, so this BBW had to send his custom S.W.A.T Team to the jolt manager house, and kidnap his daughter, and treathen him to reopen his 100 planets + accounts in exchange of his daughter release.
Oh, by the way, he would release her when the round would be over, to make sure that they wont close him again before round end.
better?
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12 Jul 2004, 18:22
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
i don't know the ins and the outs other (what with nobody tells me anythign anymore).. but i belive there was a multi recently who threatened lagal action and sent a lawyer to the head of jolt...
what came of it i dunno
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12 Jul 2004, 18:28
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
uh? :/
so its all true?
damn.
who is bored enough to send a lawyer to the head of jolt - rofl.
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12 Jul 2004, 18:33
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
i never said it was true.. i like everyone these days get my info from listening in channels..
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12 Jul 2004, 18:42
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
The case in under review, there's been an argument put forth that suggests that there could be an innocent explanation for apparent multying and we are looking into it. In the meantime it was felt the fairest thing to do was to re-open the accounts, although if the evidence we have is proven to be correct then the accounts will be closed again.
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12 Jul 2004, 18:46
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
i thought you were in the pateam alch, surely jolt keeps you informed of what's going on?
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12 Jul 2004, 18:50
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
biffy, was your job at any time threatened?
i think that's what people are interested in, not whether someone's managed to find an origonal excuse for multiing
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12 Jul 2004, 18:55
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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me PAteam? OMG. no? heh?
/me slap mist
i am a regular player like all other players in this game, i know all my stuff by listening to door.
tho i must understand, if PATeam close a multi, i just need to send a mail to jolt, yelling and saying im going to sue their A$$ and then i will get reopened until the case will be reviewed (by our day, this will be very very slow and i am sure the guy will be able to play until end of round )
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12 Jul 2004, 18:55
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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The case in under review, there's been an argument put forth that suggests that there could be an innocent explanation for apparent multying and we are looking into it.
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12 Jul 2004, 19:00
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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me PAteam? OMG. no? heh?
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musta been kal then, i get the pair of you confused :P
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12 Jul 2004, 19:12
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
Sounds interesting.. if i remmember correctly the NDA states that normally planets are closed while investigations are made.. yet in this case the they have been opened...
must be a new policy
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
on another note
see first post - Last edited by biffy on 12 Jul 2004 at 18:51.
can i ask what was so offensive in the original post that had to be removed??
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
We should have stayed in PA team a while longer Karm. Maybe we could have had a nice pay-off .
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
hehe don't see that happening mate.. maybe sacking or threat of court action if we were lucky
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12 Jul 2004, 19:22
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
Mist - I was told to re-open the accounts. If you don't do what you are told to in your job then usually you don't keep that job for long.
In general I think this situation has been blown out of proportion a bit, as someone who has spent a lot of money on planetarion accounts it is important to get the decision correct and therefore I don't think it is unreasonable to take steps beyond those normally required when dealing with possible multi accounts. If a suitable explanation for the information we have isn't forthcoming then he will be closed like any other multi.
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12 Jul 2004, 19:27
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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Mist - I was told to re-open the accounts. Had I not done so who is to say what would have happened.
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Who told you?
Someone who knows the ins and outs if the game? Or someone who doesnt really know anything about the game, and probably doesnt care?
And what are pateams views, and Spinners in particular?
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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on another note
see first post - Last edited by biffy on 12 Jul 2004 at 18:51.
can i ask what was so offensive in the original post that had to be removed??
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wasn't offensive, but wasn't needed 2 remove it either tho
was someting about who was threathend (giving out cookies 2 the first 2 geuss it right (seeing as biffy doesn't want 2 see the name there )
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[18:45] <Helix> if two wrongs dont make a right its twice as wrong to do something wrong to right it
[00:22] <Doom> Where as in most cases it appears multing is an individual thing, LDK organises it and uses it. Making it an effective unit with a small number of players. It makes sense just not part of the rules. They just organised cheating =-)
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
second letter of alphabet
second letter of alphabet
twenty-third letter of alphabet
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
forest, i have come to understand, that we are puppets.
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12 Jul 2004, 19:38
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
are we going to get this thread majorly edited and closed or maybe deleted to hide the truth?
:/ that remind me some old system.
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12 Jul 2004, 19:40
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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second letter of alphabet
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btw, 5 letters, starts indeed with the second letter of the alphabet
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[18:45] <Helix> if two wrongs dont make a right its twice as wrong to do something wrong to right it
[00:22] <Doom> Where as in most cases it appears multing is an individual thing, LDK organises it and uses it. Making it an effective unit with a small number of players. It makes sense just not part of the rules. They just organised cheating =-)
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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are we going to get this thread majorly edited and closed or maybe deleted to hide the truth?
:/ that remind me some old system.
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If that happens an eternal webbie will go up, and passed around all good alliances (and some rubbish ones too).
Hiding the truth wont happen, and im sure no-one in pateam would try (or want ) that to happen.
Someone who is in charge of Jolt might be silly enough too though
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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In general I think this situation has been blown out of proportion a bit, as someone who has spent a lot of money on planetarion accounts it is important to get the decision correct
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so, basically, if you pay jolt enough they'll look the other way? i'm hoping that's not the case, however the way you put things it sounds like it is. i'm not sure how that CAN be blown out of proportion. from what you say, i get the impression that it's bad to multi with, say a couple of accounts, yet if i buy 20 then jolt will roll out the red carpet. from where i'm sitting that has a serious impact on gameplay, and therefore is very important.
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and therefore I don't think it is unreasonable to take steps beyond those normally required when dealing with possible multi accounts.
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implying that the steps usually taken, ie planetarion's regular multi hunting, are inadequate?
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If a suitable explanation for the information we have isn't forthcoming then he will be closed like any other multi.
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Once an account has been found guilty of cheating the account will be closed
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so, either he was closed without being guilty, in which case when's someone going to be repremanded over it, or he was closed due to guilt and has been reopened while, by your own admission, he's not been proved innocent. how is this like "any other multi"?
from where i'm sitting, it looks like someone's cheating on a large enough scale for their money to buy them special treatment. hopefully that isn't true, but i can't think of any other explanations at the moment...
-mist
ps, this is all opinion or quotes, and is probably a vast misrepresentation of the truth. don't send the lawyers round. ta
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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ah i thought u meant the player concerner in that case
second letter
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
No mist, we're not looking the other way. The accounts are open subject to a suitable explanation of the discrepancies we have found. If there isn't such an explanation forthcoming then they will be closed again.
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
Biffy, whats your personal opinion (and I dont mean the opinion Jolt have told u u have to have)?
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
don't you know by now.. pateam don't give personal opinions it ends up being mis interpretted and making things worse ( i should know i used to do it enough)
plus as biffy works for jolt .. technically whatever he says is whatever jolt say and thus is bad business practice
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
Can we call all this "derrygate" :P ?
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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In general I think this situation has been blown out of proportion a bit, as someone who has spent a lot of money on planetarion accounts it is important to get the decision correct and therefore I don't think it is unreasonable to take steps beyond those normally required when dealing with possible multi accounts. If a suitable explanation for the information we have isn't forthcoming then he will be closed like any other multi.
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is it me? or i see in this post a little bit of contradiction and some paradox?
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so basically, you are telling us that because he spent a lot of money on PA account, 1. he get a better treatement than any other multi, 2, he is not a multi as you said he would be closed as any other multi, 3. steps beyond thoses usually taken? i know that MH close account when its a multi, did phil sent 2 big guys at the account holder to break his legs and we DID not know about this?
or did he unreasonnably went beyond the power he has been given?
if we cannot enforce the EULA on users, and get every 2 seconds a jolt representative (with all due respect to you mr biffy) bypassing the PATeam, then what power the PATeam has exactly?
should we invoke chaos and show jolt what their measure can bring on PA? self-destruction for the 3rd times???
i am dissapointed in whats going on.
its just my 2 cents.
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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No mist, we're not looking the other way. The accounts are open subject to a suitable explanation of the discrepancies we have found. If there isn't such an explanation forthcoming then they will be closed again.
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i never said you were looking the other way, i just implied that someone might not be seeing straight.
i'm going to go out on a limb, and assume that all other closed accounts which have protested innocence have been reopened while they sort out their stori... explanations as well then?
'lol'
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
Alch, im wondering, how pateam can ever close someone after this.
I tink they just made cheating allowed :/
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
All rather scarey but ultimately I can't say im not surprised.
However, as an aside, in this GAME If someone really wants to go that far to threaten legal action does this mean we all have to have legal disclaimers in our signatures ?
I mean we wouldnt want to accuse someone of cheating/multiing/blocking and then receive a lawyers letter suing us do we?
And besides I thought the agreement was to protect the honest players. Why one rule for one and another rule for another ?
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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I tink they just made cheating allowed :/
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12 Jul 2004, 19:59
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
alch - I'm saying that if someone brings something to the attention of Jolt with an explanation that, on the face of it, looks like it may be plausible then we have to look into it. I do this with other areas of Jolt (such as FPS games) when there are complaints made about action taken by our admins there. In this situation we've been told to look into it in a specific way i.e. the accounts should be opened whilst the person in question is given a chance to put across their side of the story to the evidence we have.
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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Alch, im wondering, how pateam can ever close someone after this.
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and they can be done for putting incorrect details in at time of signup
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
will you be changing the eula to reflect the fact that multis are now accused and left open while they make their defence?
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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alch - I'm saying that if someone brings something to the attention of Jolt with an explanation that, on the face of it, looks like it may be plausible then we have to look into it. I do this with other areas of Jolt (such as FPS games) when there are complaints made about action taken by our admins there. In this situation we've been told to look into it in a specific way i.e. the accounts should be opened whilst the person in question is given a chance to put across their side of the story to the evidence we have.
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Surely that smacks of desperation, and every cheat in the game will be doing that.
And Karm, i think u will find now that Jolt will NOT close for putting incorrect details, and that again mkes cheating more easy.
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12 Jul 2004, 20:04
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Mr. Blobby
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Belgium
Posts: 8,271
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
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Originally Posted by biffy
In this situation we've been told to look into it in a specific way i.e. the accounts should be opened whilst the person in question is given a chance to put across their side of the story to the evidence we have.
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The question is why this case is different from all other cases of suspected cheating, where the accounts in question are closed while investigations take place.
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12 Jul 2004, 20:04
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U've been Moderated
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: getting sex0red by pretty women
Posts: 1,510
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
so basically if you pay for 20 accounts you get to play them... as after all it's getting jolt money simple logic really... why didn't anyone think of that earlier:/
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12 Jul 2004, 20:04
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PA Team
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 677
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Re: power abusing by jolt (bribings!?) :)
so what your saying Biffy is :
If the hunters close you just scream FIRE (meaning file a complaint) to Jolt and you will be open?
Don't think thats a good way of doing things.
And I think a fair explanation is in order here.
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