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Unread 21 Jun 2004, 09:28   #1
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Anarchy Online

No, I'm not suggesting we start an internet revolution, I'm talking about the game.

I started it yesterday and I've managed to get myself up to a Level 6 Adventurer. Just wondering if you had any tips for a noob.

So far I've been hanging around the training grounds and doing some team missions in the city (West Athens). Is there anything else I can do? Cos so far the game seems pretty dull.
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Welcome to the concept of the MMO Grind.
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Re: Anarchy Online

Heya, I play Anarchy-online, or better said played, still got an active account but I can't be arsed a lot to log in anymore. I've got several characters, my main is a lvl 171 Enforcer. I have to say I have no experience with an adventurer. What I do know is that you need to spend your IP points wisely. Don't spread them over 4 kind of different weapons.

Adventurers use or pistols or 1hand edged melee weapons. I could write a bit more to help you but frankly, the AO forums at the adventurer section can help you out so much better then I can. Every profession forum has some sticked posts that guides you with the basics of each proffession. I can higly recommend them.

Are you on RK1 of RK2? I am on RK2
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I am on RK1.

I find it odd that there are only 2 servers. Does this mean there's only 20,000 people playing the game?

As for weapons, I am trying to specialise in Rifles at the moment. I know that Pistol is the cheapest option for me, but aren't Pistols crap??? Anyway, I'll go check out the forums like you say
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Funcom doesn't say much about how much people are playing the game but 20.000 active acounts could be correct.

I never saw an adventurer with rifles, the point is, adventurers get buffs for pistols and 1 hand edged weapons and has a profession bonus on those. you will seriously gimp yourself going for rifles. Pistols can do good damage if you know where to get the better ones, especially when you dual wield them.

Also , there are some awesome 1 hand edged melee weapons available from the Inner Sanctium dungeon, not something you have to worry about for now tho, you can enter that dungeon at lvl 120 if I am right.
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Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of :/

Still, I'll give the game a chance until my 7 day free trial runs out, then I probably won't renew it.
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Re: Anarchy Online

Contentwise AO is one of the better mmorpg's out there in my humble opinion. The amount of items, the types of proffessions and even the differences within professions is incredible. But as MrLjakiri sort of pointed out, basicly it gets down to xp'ing, xp'ing, camping and some more xp'ing and don't forget to camp some more hours if you want the better items/weapons.

One of the weaker points in AO is for me, the lack of PvP, there is not really something that makes PvP needed.
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It's like an mmorpg for jonny lonesomes.

(makes me think of phantasy star online)
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why is that?
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Re: Anarchy Online

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basicly it gets down to xp'ing, xp'ing, camping and some more xp'ing and don't forget to camp some more hours if you want the better items/weapons.
OK, but what is the point of having a high level character with lots of cool weapons? Is it just the kudos having it or is there something more? Like high level adventures, or whatever. You already mentioned there's not really any PvP.
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That's why I play ragnarok on-line, pvp arena's that people willingly go to of their own accord that doesn't interfere with normal gameplay and War of Emperium twice a week which is all guilds fighting for control of 20 castles in a massive guild vs guild pvp set up.

quite possibly the best pvp gaming out there on the mmorpg front which is the win for me (at the moment though WoW doens't promise anyhting great on the pvp front either and lineage 2's pvp system blows).

Best thing about ragnarok is that it's builds and levels that make the best combination for pvp and the classes are balanced well against each other proving there is no one class to own them all etc.

I have a lvl 94 crusader that can easily take down lvl 99 knights and any class foolish to go close range with me, however I can't take down certain builds that have invested in magic defence or are good at staying long range or are too nimble for me.... anywaaaaay I could keep going on about it but honestly it's quite good and atm they are having the Ragnarok World Championships this july in korea(2 guilds qualify from each ragnarok region) where the winning guild takes home $64k US.
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OK, but what is the point of having a high level character with lots of cool weapons? Is it just the kudos having it or is there something more? Like high level adventures, or whatever. You already mentioned there's not really any PvP.

After a while the ultimate goal is to get to 200 or 220 if you have the Shadowlands expension and have the most effective weapons and armour. I am sure a lot of AO players will go into the defence when hearing something like this but like we all know, it all comes down to that in nowadays mmorpgs.

There is PvP, between clan and omni (and neutrals ofcourse) but not a lot of people care about that stuff as far I know. There are also towerwars, if you got the notum wars expension you and your guild as well can have it's own towers which can give several extra buffs. I have to say I am not a lot into PvP because there is nothing really to win. Not a lot of people care about towers or the entire Notum Wars expension pack, but again I have to say I am not really into PvP.

As far I have seen it, the PvP system of Dark Ages of Camelot is fun. You attack other realms at a special battleground made for that and you conquer their castles which gives the winning realm some advances.

Still I might not be the right person to inform you about these things as I never joined an organisation (guild) but as far I can judge based on the little aspects of pvp'ing I've seen and a lot of what I heard from other players, PvP is dull.
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After a while the ultimate goal is to get to 200 or 220 if you have the Shadowlands expension and have the most effective weapons and armour. I am sure a lot of AO players will go into the defence when hearing something like this but like we all know, it all comes down to that in nowadays mmorpgs.

There is PvP, between clan and omni (and neutrals ofcourse) but not a lot of people care about that stuff as far I know. There are also towerwars, if you got the notum wars expension you and your guild as well can have it's own towers which can give several extra buffs. I have to say I am not a lot into PvP because there is nothing really to win. Not a lot of people care about towers or the entire Notum Wars expension pack, but again I have to say I am not really into PvP.

As far I have seen it, the PvP system of Dark Ages of Camelot is fun. You attack other realms at a special battleground made for that and you conquer their castles which gives the winning realm some advances.

Still I might not be the right person to inform you about these things as I never joined an organisation (guild) but as far I can judge based on the little aspects of pvp'ing I've seen and a lot of what I heard from other players, PvP is dull.
DAOC is rife with botters though and it will burn hard when you realise no matter how much hard work and effort you use, the script kiddies win the perks.

RO fortunately has a moderate level of in game support to weed out script kiddies (botters, macro users, skill abusers, ill-mannered) and hence the pvp and WoE is a lot more fun and of course in War of Emperium there's perks of castle only accessible dungeons with really good experience monsters amongst other things.

I'll post some screenies if anyone wants of my endeavours.
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i wouldnt mind seeing some screenies of ur adventures

i just want to see what the game looks like, but cant be arsed actually looking it up
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No, I'm not suggesting we start an internet revolution, I'm talking about the game.
What would you revolt against?
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I'll host some later tonight when I'm not totally insomniac :P
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OK, but what is the point of having a high level character with lots of cool weapons?
What's the point of having a ferrari and wearing lots of expensive clothes?

I think it's supposed to be fun in and of itself, but it's all essentially meaningless.
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I think it's supposed to be fun in and of itself, but it's all essentially meaningless.
My point is that levelling in and of itself is not fun (for me). At least not the couple hours of experience of it that I've had so far.
So unless there's something more to it than "Go to Random Location X, kill Random Person Y and get Random Item Z as a reward" then it looks like this particular MMORPG is not for me.
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My point is that levelling in and of itself is not fun (for me). At least not the couple hours of experience of it that I've had so far.
So unless there's something more to it than "Go to Random Location X, kill Random Person Y and get Random Item Z as a reward" then it looks like this particular MMORPG is not for me.
You might prefer World of Warcraft, if and when it comes out.
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My point is that levelling in and of itself is not fun (for me). At least not the couple hours of experience of it that I've had so far.
So unless there's something more to it than "Go to Random Location X, kill Random Person Y and get Random Item Z as a reward" then it looks like this particular MMORPG is not for me.

Did you solo only? It's a lot more fun with a full group doing monsters much higher then yourself.
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Right, I've decided that this game sucks so I will be cancelling it before my 7 day free trial runs out.

I've discovered that Star Wars Galaxies are doing a 14 day free trial so I will be continuing my quest to find a MMORPG after all. Only problem is that it seems you can only download the file from File Planet and seeing as the download is almost 2 gigs I have the feeling that it will cancel before the end! Which is why I created this thread.

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Fileplanet doesn't support download managers as far as I can remember.

SWG is a hideously unbalanced game. But it does have a 'dancing' class.
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So does RO.

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I will NOT be trying Star Wars Galaxies. I have discovered that File Planet is the gayest thing ever invented so I am unable to download the client. Their loss!
I am currently downloading the client for Shadowbane, so I'll have a 15 day free trial on that instead.

As for Ragnarok Online, I had a look at some screenshots and the game looks like Shining Force 2! And not in a good way. So I'll be passing on that one.
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So does RO.

Next.
It's not full 3D.
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It's not full 3D.
Nor is champ manager.

Tsk tsk and who'd thought I'd be able to play that card :P
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Nor is champ manager.

Tsk tsk and who'd thought I'd be able to play that card :P
Championship Manager doesn't have a Dancing Class.

Championship manager wouldn't look as good in 3D because of the difficulties of making it look realistic. On the other hand, they've been able to program dancing for YEARS! Just think back to the dancing robot in System Shock 2!
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They've been able to program football in 3d in management sims for longer than dancing.

Your point caller?
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They've been able to program football in 3d in management sims for longer than dancing.

Your point caller?
Not without it looking completely rubbish you haven't; and still can't.

So what you're saying is that CM should use a bad 3D engine, because dancing looks better in 3d with proper models than in 2d with sprites that can't actually dance?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Likewise I've seen some pretty good 3d football gaming engines......

Anyways I'm just saying you shouldn't merit a game on it's visuals, especially if it isn't particularly lending to the actual enjoyment factor of the game.

Furthermore, a lot has to be said for Lag in games where they insist on using 3d especially in enviroments where they are going to have to model a lot of 3d sprites, it also isn't kind on any users system requirements, furthermore I doubt the quality is all that hot knowing mmorpgs and the sacrifices they have to make for actual playability in terms of lag and system requirements.
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Anyways I'm just saying you shouldn't merit a game on it's visuals, especially if it isn't particularly lending to the actual enjoyment factor of the game.
You can merit a game by its visuals if the only criterion you're measuring is how good dancing looks. You appear to have missed this vital stage in the discussion, which came right at the start. It kind of makes everything else you've said irrelevent at best.
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No, you mentioned it had a dancing class, there was no talks of visuals being merited.

IN fact the more I scroll the less I see of any mythical mention of graphical criteria nevermind preferences (cause let's face it full 3d isn't the be all and end all of graphical presentation).
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Surely a 'dancing class' is only of any use if you can actually see it dancing?

Hence the inherent superiority of 3D models over 2D sprites, dude. It's not rocket science by any means.
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It's pedantic and was totally irrelevant to the fact that you were countered.

Oh this game has dancers, well so does this one, hence you decided to try and emulate it because your originaly statement turned out not to emulate it enough against someone elses.

It's a bit like pissing in the wind and stuff here, it's great it's got dancers, it's not unique, how well whatever does what is another argument that I wasn't having.

Anyway most mmorpg's you'll find make massive corner cutting in 3d modelled enviroments with 3d modelled sprites in games that have a large user base on the one server so I Really doubt that it's exactly the pinnacle of dancing and hence critiquing how well it's done in 2d isn't really achieving much.

I'm pretty sure Black & White Animal dancing is prolly better than what SWG does.
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I've no idea what your spiel even means.
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