Planetarion Forums - Final Speedgame

langemann · 12 Nov 2002, 11:32

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Originally posted by Minimalistix
goood plan!!

but no extra resourcedonating for Norwegian gals this time eh??

We don't get extra resources, we just outplay you

Feni · 12 Nov 2002, 16:18

36 hours?
ouch.

Maybe I'll join if the date is right for me.

Feni · 12 Nov 2002, 16:19

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Originally posted by langemann

We don't get extra resources, we just outplay you

Sure......

Dutch rock.

12 Nov 2002, 17:25

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Originally posted by Hicks
Round 8 stats without overburn would be good.

eeep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

overburn and 1 min ticks what fun

12 Nov 2002, 22:55

10 sec ticks !!!!!!

K03N · 12 Nov 2002, 23:01

hiall

i want you in my gal

old R5 gal in speedround would be nice imo

AllThingsHell · 12 Nov 2002, 23:02

Would there even be private gals in the speed round ..

ATH

dabult · 12 Nov 2002, 23:22

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Originally posted by AllThingsHell
Would there even be private gals in the speed round ..

ATH

There will be a poll to decide that, no doubt.

12 Nov 2002, 23:53

yes plz

MadeMan · 13 Nov 2002, 08:24

ofc it has to be orivate gals..

DareDevil2000 · 13 Nov 2002, 08:59

As long as it is free

13 Nov 2002, 10:01

Ummmm, yes please?

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Telest · 13 Nov 2002, 10:13

For all of you who didn't read the ORIGINAL post, it's going to private galaxies according to Zeus.

dabult · 13 Nov 2002, 10:36

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Originally posted by Telest
For all of you who didn't read the ORIGINAL post, it's going to private galaxies according to Zeus.

I believe thats what we all did.

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Originally posted by Zeus
For those who do not know what this is, its a weekend session 36hrs, private gals of 10, none stop 1 minute ticks, with round 8 combat code.

Now, this is all upto discussion, if we should do this or basically for me to fuind out your feelings, opinions on final speedgame.

Once i have heard your views here I will put up a poll, with certain speedgame options for you to vote on.

Did you?

Meth · 13 Nov 2002, 11:06

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Originally posted by AceRimmer
Hallo matey

Thought I'd crawl out from under my stone.

Any way I can get in contact with the old crowd?

-Simon

Check PM

Telest · 13 Nov 2002, 11:12

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Originally posted by dabult

I believe thats what we all did.

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Did you?

Yes, I did. Still, most posts in this thread don't make much sense. Zeus says it's private galaxies, 10 peeps per galaxy, round 8 rules, P2P, etc.

Why waste energy on debating the issues that have already been decided, unless, of couse, you are hoping they would somehow miraculously change it to r3 free random game... ;-)

There is actually other issues about the speedgame to be discussed (that have actually been discussed) which aren't actually ALREADY SET by the original post.

Telest · 13 Nov 2002, 11:22

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Originally posted by rhkhdh
Would it be the same price as normal? And how come the server can only hold 500 players when there used to be like gal 232:10!

Well, let's list some reasons
1) The people weren't that active at that time
2) The server DID NOT hold those galaxies very well
3) The ticker took about 30 minutes to run.

Imagine a speedgame of 1 minute ticks where ticker runs each tick for over 60 seconds

It's gonna be messy even with 45 second ticks. With current 5,000 players, it's somewhat safe to assume that the ticker runs in a few minutes. Still, speedgame is more hectic, people load pages more often that in normal PA, and hence the load per user is heavier. Doing even 500 simultaneously is quite a lot.

KingGnome · 13 Nov 2002, 13:11

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Originally posted by Telest
Why waste energy on debating the issues that have already been decided

because

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Originally posted by Zeus
this is all upto discussion, if we should do this or basically for me to fuind out your feelings, opinions on final speedgame.

i.e. nothing has been finalised (is it ever in PA?) - and its uhhhh, all upto discussion and subject to change

MadeMan · 13 Nov 2002, 13:22

any1 have any idea on when this is gonna happen?? ^^

K03N · 13 Nov 2002, 13:52

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Originally posted by dabult

There will be a poll to decide that, no doubt.

and everyone will vote for priv gals, no doubt. btw dabult you're also invited for the gal

dabult · 13 Nov 2002, 14:16

I got mine coming Koen, and its gonna >>>>>> yours

Telest, KingGnome pointed out what i said, again.
It isnt finalized until after it has been discussed through.

berten · 13 Nov 2002, 16:52

count me in

13 Nov 2002, 17:07

why round 3 stats ? (question not criticism b4 you lot barbaque my behind)
I never did round 3 so am interested why they are so popular.

IMO I think it would be more popular with stats that ppl know (i.e rd 8) or if they are going to use old stats they could be published way before the start of the speedround. Also a proposed set of dates for it to happen would be helpful, make sure it doesnt conflict with what little rl I have left.

Telest · 13 Nov 2002, 18:11

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Originally posted by KingGnome

because

i.e. nothing has been finalised (is it ever in PA?) - and its uhhhh, all upto discussion and subject to change

Oh well, maybe so. Doesn't matter.

13 Nov 2002, 21:06

as long as there's no payment involved i think most curent players wud play

dabult · 13 Nov 2002, 22:14

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Originally posted by Buzzsword
as long as there's no payment involved i think most curent players wud play

It wont be free of charge.

MadeMan · 14 Nov 2002, 09:52

r3 r3 r3 r3 r3 \0/ dagger & pods!!

Sad · 14 Nov 2002, 10:54

r3 stats!!!!

KingGnome · 14 Nov 2002, 13:55

I've changed my mind about which stats...

I originally said R3 stats - but I dont want to have to code the calc to use the non-standard (compared to later rounds) EMP targetting!!! :/

Telest · 14 Nov 2002, 17:45

Well, as far as I remember, r3 stats were extremely simple to play with, just listen to what ships to build and do it. With r8 stats, there might be a bit more TACTICS involved in the game.

Minimalistix · 14 Nov 2002, 20:02

no **** about old stats.. just r8 stats and play...

G.K Zhukov · 15 Nov 2002, 02:55

if its gonna be played with r8 stats, atleast change overburning and the ziks (couse they are useless). Also xans are bit to good.

15 Nov 2002, 05:16

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Originally posted by Zeus

a weekend session 36hrs

hmm a weekend is nowhere near enough ..... how about 1-2 weeks :-)

mbushell · 15 Nov 2002, 08:57

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Originally posted by chro
hmm a weekend is no where near enough ..... how about 1-2 weeks :-)

its a speed game :-)

KingGnome · 15 Nov 2002, 11:10

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Originally posted by chro
hmm a weekend is nowhere near enough ..... how about 1-2 weeks :-)

I agree....
except, how about 3-4 months?
oh, and make ticks one an hour!

15 Nov 2002, 13:51

Speed me up \o/

Minimalistix · 15 Nov 2002, 18:00

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
if its gonna be played with r8 stats, atleast change overburning and the ziks (couse they are useless). Also xans are bit to good.

zik useless? why...
you've got other tactics with the speedgame.. but ziks are certainly not useless..

btw.. we live now.. with r8 stats so let ppl see how u can play the speedgame with this stats..

Minimalistix · 15 Nov 2002, 18:02

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Originally posted by KingGnome

I agree....
except, how about 3-4 months?
oh, and make ticks one an hour!

\0/

15 Nov 2002, 20:40

Yeh speed round r2 or r3 stats plz

15 Nov 2002, 21:39

1: make random
2: 50 gals
3: 10clusters
4: a antire new surprising stats
5: ships with the name of good KNOWN players
6: set minimum attacking to 30% instead of 20%
7: perhaps add a new fleet, so we get 4fleets total
8: 36 hoursgaming, with 2breaks off 8 hours each
9: 1min ticks
10. make it AFTER PA is done, so we can use pa servers for lesser problems and faster loading

PA Crew: Will PA be at the gathering in Norway next year? Would have been fun

Just want to say THANKS for a great game spinner, zeus & co
Will never ever forget the game

Love, peace & unity, then Planetarion is NOT the place to be!!!

A proud and thankful

Cesarion

Ultimate Newbie · 15 Nov 2002, 23:58

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Originally posted by thomas4

hearing that from some1 who has his r8 coords in his siggie, i wonder who teh n00b is really

heh, i have my R8 co-ords in my siggie... (both of them in fact

), and i wouldnt exactly call myself a n00b...

anyway, i would like to see R3 stats, PERHAPS r2

But the real reason is: why not both?

inf · 16 Nov 2002, 12:28

Round 2; 36h solid.

16 Nov 2002, 18:12

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Originally posted by KingGnome

and make ticks one an hour!

if ticks were an hour it wouldn't be a speed game would it.

Velta · 16 Nov 2002, 20:44

Round 2 stats and im in

Telest · 17 Nov 2002, 11:05

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Originally posted by Buzzsword

if ticks were an hour it wouldn't be a speed game would it.

Thats' the point

17 Nov 2002, 22:32

One final beta round would be a really great way to end a thouroughly enjoyable gaming experience.

Round three was clearly the best round, and its high roiding potential would be ideal for a speed round.

Rhumsaa · 18 Nov 2002, 02:12

ah why the hell not

langemann · 18 Nov 2002, 16:46

Imo, this thread has gotten more than enough response, so Zeus can get the polls up for us to vote. We should have a poll on date of the game too.

cbk100 · 18 Nov 2002, 23:26

hmm what a thread. I don't ever think I have read so much time with as little walue as this. Everyone just saying: r3 stats and why is that? most don't say why and to be honost I don't think they know why cause in my opinion its kinda difficult to find any reasons why. Other say because they are simple... PA is strategy for gods sake. its not meant to be simple, but its meant to give the ppl with a sharp mind the advantage just like in rl.

Take yourself together ppl and lets get a serious debate going. I'll try to state my opinion and then see if the standard of the discussion will be a little better after this post.

First of all I think it would be best if it would be a WC and not a normal speed round. The reason for this is that there are some more intense and interesting combat and not least in the final round. In speed game you just have to win 1 battle to be the winner, but if its played as WC you need to win 2 times and it will give a more correct winner because it eliminates some of the luck that is involved in PA, and well there is nothing as the NICE fight between the regions :-)

But ofc if its not posible to have a WC then it should just be a speed game, but I honostly think that far more would play if its set up as a WC.

Then there is the discussion about which stats to use and I realy don't think its a topic that needs to be discussed. OFC it should be the r8 stats cause they are far the best stats we have seen untill now in PA. They are both the most complicated, the ones with the most opportunities, the most advanced and the most balanced(ofc there need to be made a few changes in some of the races, but nothing major). This is also the stats that everyone knows and the stats which has brought the most fun and most balanced round in PA history. Therefore I think its clear that it shall be r8 stats just like its stated in the first post in this thread. I realy don't understand why so many ppl are saying that they want r3 stats cause everyone I talk to on MIRC want to play with r8 stats.

If its played as a WC I can see the problems in getting the rounds running b4 new years eve, but maybe the first 4 rounds can be completed and then we can play the finals and the semi finals after new years eve. This will involve some 2 more works for te PA crew and I understand why they might have to decide not to do it this way because of that, but all I'm saying is that this will bring the most fun and the most players.

If they decide to play it as a normal speed game they should place it b4 the new years eve.

then now for how long should we be playing? yeah well in my opinion the 12 hours game, 12 hours rest, 12 hours game is great, but it would also be fun and most of all demanding to play 16 hours, 8 hours rest and then another 16 hours.

Everything above that would be too demanding and will only scare ppl away which will make the game less fun.

And ofc it shall not be free. First of all PA crew can not afford that and second of all that would ruin the game. It will be a mass of farms, multi accounts and unserious players just like in the first rounds of PA so that is not even a topic to discuss in my oppinion.

I only think that we miss to bring one more thing up now and that is weather to have private gals or random gals.

In my oppinion it should be private gals nomatter if its played as a WC or as a normal speed game. My reason for this, or should I say reasons, are many. First of all most ppl don't want to pay to play ONLY one weekend if they can't be sure that they will not end up with ppl they like and ppl they can trust. They don't want to pay for something when luck(is the most important factor to decide if he/she will have failure or success). Its a fact that many will have to take 2 days free from job just to play(especialy cause its in December) and many of them will not do it unless they are sure that they do it to help their friends and get to play with ppl they like.
So there is no doubt that if PA crew decide not to make the gals private then they will lose a lot of players.
Second of all the preparations to the Speed games is about half of the games and the most serious ppl spend hours and hours to prepare themselves. This is an aspect in the speed games that you can simply not take away from the speed round. This is not normal PA where you have days and even more days to get to know your gal m8s in an eventuel random gal. This is a game where you play with your best and most trustworthy friends cause you know how they play and they know how you play and together the most tight group has a very important advantage.
The thrid thing that I realy don't want the PA crew to take away from the speed games running over 1 weekend is the society and friendships in rl that it is creating. I remember from the WC that ppl gathered together, some even traveled 1500 km, to play together and to have fun together. Please don't take that away from the game cause that will be the biggest loss that the speed games could suffer...

And then ofc. the speed gams should run on the main server so that more than 500 ppl can play, but even my dog is clever enough to figure that out so should not realy that much of a topic to discuss. Since PA crew has decided to let the normal PA run untill the 23rd of december they will have to either change the day to end the round or what I think would be better, simply just stop the normal PA round for 3 days(or whatever is needed) so we can play the speed game.

I hope that this will start a serious depate with some argumentation instead of just saying something without backing it up.

cbk

langemann · 20 Nov 2002, 14:31

I think Zeus' initial post leaves out the possiblity for WC and states that the final game is a one-round-speed-game. (Although I would also like a WC-thingy again). About the time of the speed game: Do you seriously think there will be a lot of ppl playing it before new years eve? Most students are busy with exams in December. Most ppl wants to spend the christmas with family and friends. So a speed round should either be before Christmas (not likely due to r8 going on) or after new years eve for the best turn out. I agree on using r8-stats (shouldn't be a discussion imo). *prods Zeus to get some polls up*