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30 May 2008, 17:30
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Farmer Smurf
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Purchasing Asteroids
Does anyone else think the 'purchasing' roids is too easy? If you want more roids you just buy them??? when I returned in R19 I was shocked and horrified to see that the old scanning for roids system was longer here What was wrong with that and why did the PA team deem it acceptable to remove it? If nothing else the scanning system was more realistic (I use this term very loosly as I realise we are playing a space game with spaceships flying about everywhere, some with cloaking capabilities) than just purchasing asteroids.
Well, thats my 2 cents, and I dont even know why Im bothering as PA team never seem to post replies to any suggestion posted in here...Come on guys!!!
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30 May 2008, 18:12
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
The old scanning system was needlessly complicated.
Realism is overrated.
KISS.
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30 May 2008, 18:17
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Join Date: May 2008
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
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Originally Posted by Fatrick
Does anyone else think the 'purchasing' roids is too easy? If you want more roids you just buy them??? when I returned in R19 I was shocked and horrified to see that the old scanning for roids system was longer here What was wrong with that and why did the PA team deem it acceptable to remove it? If nothing else the scanning system was more realistic (I use this term very loosly as I realise we are playing a space game with spaceships flying about everywhere, some with cloaking capabilities) than just purchasing asteroids.
Well, thats my 2 cents, and I dont even know why Im bothering as PA team never seem to post replies to any suggestion posted in here...Come on guys!!!
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IMO the new system is better, with scanning for roids some have been lucky and others unlucky, which wasnt fair (cause even on same roidcount /amps u never got the same results using 5 roidscans.)
And it also offers more to do for those first 8-12 ticks where u had to research ur wavescans.PPL had to build waveamps, while nowadays there is more stuff to construct.
I never saw a sense in scanning for those roids, if at all, then i think a shipclass to transport those roids from somehwere in ur galaxy close to ur homeplanet and placing em around ur orbit would be needed. (though i could imagine that the blocked sunlight of all those 2k asteroids cruising around in ur orbit, would have negative effects on ur population . Donīt we all need sunlight to live? )
my 2 cents
(i was mostly on the unlucky side in scanning for those roids )
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30 May 2008, 18:20
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The BOFH
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
It needs to be cheap to gain asteroids through initiation, otherwise things would get rather boring when higher ranking players don't have any decent targets because no new asteroids are coming into the universe. If there were plenty of new planets during the round to bring in asteroid growth then I'd agree, but with things the way they are - cheap initiation is a positive point.
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30 May 2008, 18:35
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
Initiation is pointless past a few hundred due to the way costing works.
The old scanning/initiating system relied on more randomness and was far more complex... and it achieved almost exactly the same thing. I can't see any good reason to reintroduce the system.
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30 May 2008, 18:58
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Farmer Smurf
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
Aye, maybe so....Is it at all obvious I want PA put back to how it was in the glory days? :P
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30 May 2008, 19:09
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Join Date: Jul 2002
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
The glory was in having tens of thousands of players, not the game itself.
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30 May 2008, 19:57
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
I dont like u need to be online each tick to buy more roids... then again you dont have to wait a specific tick to be online. I prefer the new system over the old one... just I am not sure I support the need to be online whole start of the round... what if the date is bad for you?
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30 May 2008, 22:02
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Englandshire
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
ur not required to buy them at specific times... or would you like a prelaunch feature for buying roids too?
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30 May 2008, 22:45
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
If, during protection, you can't be here every 2 ticks to init roids, and you think protection is what causes you to fail to end in the top500, then I've got a bit of a nasty surprise for you. Protection is overrated. You suck.
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30 May 2008, 23:03
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
I think its easier to start from top... I am not saying I couldnt catch up.
and the point of not needing to be here at specific time was a positive sign...
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30 May 2008, 23:49
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
Both the new and the old system "require" you to be online every 2 ticks to init if you want to start the round in the bestest best possible position, thus the argument you're presenting is invalid.
In all fairness, I'm not even sure what your position is on the matter. Are you in favour of the suggestion put forth in the first post or not?
[edit]Grammar.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
Last edited by Mzyxptlk; 2 Jun 2008 at 08:19.
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2 Jun 2008, 08:09
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Join Date: May 2004
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
I prefer the new way. The old way was waaay too random and always ****ed me up big time
I've never been one that got a lucky break through randomness...
Atleast the new way is equal for every1 + easy to use.
Don't see any reason why it should be changed.
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I also agree with mz that protection time is highly overrated.
I've never bother to be highly active during protection and initiating all the roids I can, yet somehow when I launch my first attacks after protection I always end up being top100 (atleast for the first week or so)
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2 Jun 2008, 08:55
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
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Originally Posted by furball
The glory was in having tens of thousands of players, not the game itself.
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amen to that
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2 Jun 2008, 09:27
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
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Originally Posted by Fatrick
Does anyone else think the 'purchasing' roids is too easy? If you want more roids you just buy them???
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This is still the same as 'back in the day'. In the past, you needed to use amps and asteroid scans to get uninitiated asteroids. You would then init those on your mining page based on a formula that made it more expensive to init the more roids you had.
Currently, the only thing that is different tis that you do not need to scan for them anymore. Plus, in the past it made no difference whether you inited a M, C or E roid - the cost increased with the total. Now, if you init an M roid, the cost to init a C or E roid doesnt change untill you get more C and E roids. This is a good thing, and promotes more roids in the universe, plus more E roids (in particular) in the universe.
Remember when the universe came to a crashing halt because the bigger players didnt have enough fuel to launch their ships anymore? That's a bad thing.
The new system is vastly superior to the old one. Perhaps the only thing that is missing is the debate on Strategy as to what ratio of amps:roid scans was the best (though Tactitus worked that out fairly early on).
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2 Jun 2008, 10:58
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Coder/Fixer/Lover/Winnah
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
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Originally Posted by furball
The glory was in having tens of thousands of players, not the game itself.
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agreed
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2 Jun 2008, 13:37
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
I miss the thrill of getting up, not only to buy roids, but to find out how many I d find when I scanned.
New system might be fairer, but god, its more boring.
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2 Jun 2008, 14:16
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
The thrill of getting up and finding out if the random number generator gives you a 15 or a 14. The excitement is killing me, please stop.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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2 Jun 2008, 14:48
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Re: Purchasing Asteroids
stfu mz, it was alot more fun during prot. before they changed it to "purchase roids".
And, it could vary alot more than 1 out of 15.
Even if ur too inet cool to admit getting up every other tick to scan for roids and innit, and then have fun laughing at ur m8s who get 0/5, or cry urself when u didnt get as many as u should, is more fun than just getting up to buy roids, - I m not. ( long sentence )
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I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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