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22 May 2004, 11:01
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R11 Politics
Im just curious about what alliances think of Syn_Sid's proposal of a "no-blocking-round"... Are alliances planning to take Sid up on his proposal or continue to block...?
So out of interest what alliances plan NOT to block next round and will play free for all?
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22 May 2004, 11:34
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Re: R11 Politics
as if any alliance will actually answer this seriously.
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22 May 2004, 11:43
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Re: R11 Politics
You always have some sort of idea who will block and not anyway
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22 May 2004, 12:10
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Re: R11 Politics
From what I read at the forums:
- 1Up has listed conditions on when they will not block. These conditions have not been met (yet).
- Wolfpack said they would not block if the round woud be random. Not sure what Budy-Code would do to that statement.
- other alliances have kept silent. Expect them to block.
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22 May 2004, 12:13
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Re: R11 Politics
To my knowledge, a careful reading of the board will yield the following conclusions:
1up is not blocking
Wolfpack is not blocking
Fang is not blocking
If the leaders of those alliances would like to recant, then by all means correct me. If other alliances would like to throw their name up here, this is the time and place to do it.
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22 May 2004, 12:15
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Re: R11 Politics
Scenario:
FAnG allies MISTU. 1up is forced to ally someone (Wolfpack?). Noone else wants to ally FAnG. 1up wins.
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22 May 2004, 12:30
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Re: R11 Politics
I think you are mistaken if you think that fang and mistu teaming up would automatically mean we would have to do the same. I've already stated publically that I believe 1up could handle such a situation. I've also stated that fang has publically stated they do not intend to do so.
So your scenario is hypothetical and simplistic
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Re: R11 Politics
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerbie
From what I read at the forums:
- 1Up has listed conditions on when they will not block. These conditions have not been met (yet).
- Wolfpack said they would not block if the round woud be random. Not sure what Budy-Code would do to that statement.
- other alliances have kept silent. Expect them to block.
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You should read threads more carefully. If you did you'd know that only FAnG and WP so far support Sid's proposal.
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22 May 2004, 12:39
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Re: R11 Politics
You never really know who will block and who won't. Some block out of fear, some block out of greed to win. So it will just come down to who's scared, and who's greedy.
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Re: R11 Politics
“Fear is the path to blocking. Fear leads to desperation. Desperation leads to panic. Panic leads to cowering. I sense much fear in you.”
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Re: R11 Politics
Hopefully everyone will go solo, but i think it is inevitable their will be "behind the scenes" napping and other agreements etc...
Gerbie: who are VGN planning to block with then?
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22 May 2004, 13:24
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by Guran
FAnG allies MISTU. 1up is forced to ally someone (Wolfpack?). Noone else wants to ally FAnG. 1up wins.
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Once again AD knows about the politics of my alliance before I do.
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Angels for life !
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by RealJames
Once again AD knows about the politics of my alliance before I do.
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no we did block, we just didn't fill you in on it yet
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22 May 2004, 13:45
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by RealJames
Once again AD knows about the politics of my alliance before I do.
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by Colt
Gerbie: who are VGN planning to block with then?
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I'm pe0n, so not sure if we are. If any I expect Rock will be considered. VGN has been blocked/allied/NAP (there have been variations in the extend of co-operation) with Rock since rnd 9. If this no-blocking thing fails I'd expect there will be talks to a third party. I don't know who this third party would be, but I expect we'd start talks with one of the coalition alliances.
Personally I'd like a good deal with several smaller alliances like Valhalla, ToF and SWARM. Each of these are decent and we'd be 'leader of the pack'. I don't think the HC will share my vision on this however. It would be great to lead a group of smaller alliances into a serious attempt to take #1 position (probably only in average scores as we lack the numbers).
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Re: R11 Politics
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no we did block, we just didn't fill you in on it yet
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Re: R11 Politics
If enough alliances start to make announcements stating that they'll go solo also, then the others would probably follow suit. It just takes a couple to start the ball rolling.
If a bunch of alliances are planning to block against a load of others who are going solo, that's just cowardly and pathetic.
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Re: R11 Politics
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I don't like you any more.
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Re: R11 Politics
I don't personally see the difference in blocking, and setting up an alliance with only super duper l33t players in. But since God said it was ok so long as blocks of no more than 2 alliances formed ... I'll refrain from talking any more gibberish on the matter
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Re: R11 Politics
The "no-Block" proposal can be used as charge and as apology.
If an alliance wants to block, they just have to fake a logfile or "hack" a computer, etc etc to find a decent excuse to block, cause others did it first.
All they have to do then is to present themself not guilty, pretending "We wanted to go solo, they forced us to block!"
Hypocrisy ahoi!
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22 May 2004, 17:11
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Stolen
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Re: R11 Politics
Scenario…
No blocks = 1up wins easy
Blocks = stagnation after one month
Can’t really tell witch one I prefer?
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22 May 2004, 17:19
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Re: R11 Politics
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chika
You never really know who will block and who won't. Some block out of fear, some block out of greed to win. So it will just come down to who's scared, and who's greedy.
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So FAnG was Greedy or scared in r10.5 ?
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Angels for life !
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by Desse
So FAnG was Greedy or scared in r10.5 ?
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greedy (atleast I was)
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22 May 2004, 18:20
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Re: R11 Politics
Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoX
Scenario…
No blocks = 1up wins easy
Blocks = stagnation after one month
Can’t really tell witch one I prefer?
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Hmm, i have a huge amount of confidence in 1up's command and members, but you're jumping the gun a little i think
Edit: I think if this 'no block' plan actually goes through for most major alliances, a solo win for an alliance would be harder to get rather than a 'Rd 10.5 victory'
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LCH is too far away, now they are the same roid amout as 1up
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22 May 2004, 18:37
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Re: R11 Politics
Lleggggggsssssssssssssssss
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Re: R11 Politics
Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoX
Scenario…
No blocks = 1up wins easy
Blocks = stagnation after one month
Can’t really tell witch one I prefer?
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Black Power MotherF*ckas!
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by Desse
So FAnG was Greedy or scared in r10.5 ?
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Well, you must know, that the FPM block was made with the intention to fight Eclipse and ELY block. As EE were winners the round before. So it wasn't MADE for greed But once Eclipse disbanded, and everyone noticed that FPM were dominant, it turned into greed.
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Re: R11 Politics
there will always be blocks, just to take out the #1 alliance
if LCH would be #1 upcoming round im sure people will start cooperating with other alliances to take us down..
its never 100% solo.
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by Nitros
there will always be blocks, just to take out the #1 alliance
if LCH would be #1 upcoming round im sure people will start cooperating with other alliances to take us down..
its never 100% solo.
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Re: R11 Politics
There were plenty strong capable alliances left.
FAnG was Greedy and Carefull
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23 May 2004, 11:12
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Re: R11 Politics
'careful' and 'FAnG' in the same sentence
uh oh....
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Re: R11 Politics
A round with no blocks would be boring as hell.
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Re: R11 Politics
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A round with no blocks would be boring as hell.
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but then at least make it like r8 so that the universe stand a change
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by TAFKAJ
but then at least make it like r8 so that the universe stand a change
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but R8 was far from block free.
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by The_Fish
but R8 was far from block free.
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Who blocked?
2 alliances allying doesn't really count as a block...
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Re: R11 Politics
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Who blocked?
2 alliances allying doesn't really count as a block...
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Depends on which alliances. If the #1 and #2 alliances allie, it's gonna take at least the #3 #4 and #5 alliances to stand a chance against them, and tadaaaa, there's your block.
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Re: R11 Politics
A round without blocks would be interesting and boring all in the same. There would clearly be a few "top" alliances. Personally, I see no problems in smaller alliances blocking together in order to compete with the alliances that are larger than them. Even an alliance like Valhalla with lots of members, but less hardcore blocking with another similar alliance in my eyes would be fine.
Where you start to run into problems with blocking is when you have large alliances blocking, that is what leads to stagnation. Small alliances blocking merely leads to better competition for the larger alliances.
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Re: R11 Politics
Sid's posts up to now have suggested that he favors a total members definition of blocking. As a hypothetical example a block may be considered more than 150 or 200 members.
So if 12 10 person alliances "blocked up" no big deal" but two full 100 member alliances picked up a small ally, maybe that would be considered a block.
In the end the details won't be negotiated on the board, but in PMs or an alliance council arranged privately I imagine.
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
Who blocked?
2 alliances allying doesn't really count as a block...
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Titans/LDK
Adelante/ToT/FAnG
Fury/ToT/FAnG/WP/Ely/some other noobs...
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Re: R11 Politics
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Who blocked?
2 alliances allying doesn't really count as a block...
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Depends on the two alliances, doesn't it?
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Re: R11 Politics
Lupine Crux (currently called The Wolf Pack (not Wolfpack or [wolfpack])) and Fusi0n (different alliance to fusion), will be allying to form a block called The Honour Guard!
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Re: R11 Politics
jesus what?
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Re: R11 Politics
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jesus what?
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Re: R11 Politics
you have more posts than me..
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Re: R11 Politics
yeah so?
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Re: R11 Politics
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Originally Posted by Cayl
To my knowledge, a careful reading of the board will yield the following conclusions:
1up is not blocking
Wolfpack is not blocking
Fang is not blocking
If the leaders of those alliances would like to recant, then by all means correct me. If other alliances would like to throw their name up here, this is the time and place to do it.
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So when everyone has a go on theese three alliacnes, cause they have no allies, will they cooperate against blocking?
Anyway, I hope all alliances stay away form blocking. Well a 2 Alliance cooperation should be max anyway. Working together isnt a bad thing. As long as its even(and that never happens)
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Re: R11 Politics
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you have more posts than me..
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that's sick, you spambot :P
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LCH is too far away, now they are the same roid amout as 1up
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Re: R11 Politics
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that's sick, you spambot :P
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