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Unread 29 Nov 2016, 17:50   #301
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and obviously, BowS never backstab.
This is the biggest load of horsecrap I have ever seen you say. Man your fantasy world must be nice full of hookers and blow.
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and obviously, BowS never backstab.
So you are saying Bows never have p3ng'd any deals?
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Re: Upcomming r69 drama thread!

Butcher is an awesome politician thank you very much.

Like when he offered a deal to TGV where he could attack but they couldn't retaliate. I'd take that deal in heartbeat. We need more world class politicans like him.
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Butcher is an awesome politician thank you very much.

Like when he offered a deal to TGV where he could attack but they couldn't retaliate. I'd take that deal in heartbeat. We need more world class politicans like him.

Clouds if you was just as active ingame as in forums we would have won gal allready!

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Tbh GM, I have no idea about that. I can prolly get some coords if I dig into it
I can tell you one thing that did happen though, we hit fat OOT planets and did get complaints about that from apprime, even though Dogg said you "didn't have oot", you did that night!!
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So you are saying Bows never have p3ng'd any deals?
I could if that would make you happy?
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Butcher is an awesome politician thank you very much.

Like when he offered a deal to TGV where he could attack but they couldn't retaliate. I'd take that deal in heartbeat. We need more world class politicans like him.
Ah, the classic "we can hit you, you cant hit us" deal ive used to great sucsess in past rounds.
I have not brought it out so far this round, no need to use a sledgehammer on a fly.
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Ah, the classic "we can hit you, you cant hit us" deal ive used to great sucsess in past rounds.
I have not brought it out so far this round, no need to use a sledgehammer on a fly.
And what muppets would agree to that?
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And what muppets would agree to that?
Usualy its bigger alliances wich is fort heavy and trying to avoid being blocked.
Say if ultores has 40 players in forts, and bows has 30 players in total, i would offer a deal where we dont ptarget or hit their fort in exchange for they dont hit us at all.

Thats the exact deal more or less that was offered to FAnG and TGV that round. FAnG took it and TGV declined it.

Most sensible allies going for the win avoid being blocked, and avoid tags wich isnt in direct competition with them, atleast to a reasonable extent.
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Usualy its bigger alliances wich is fort heavy and trying to avoid being blocked.

Most sensible allies going for the win avoid being blocked, and avoid tags wich isnt in direct competition with them, atleast to a reasonable extent.
Farmer-Bob please, everyone wants to avoid being blocked, but if you're in it to win it, you will get blocked. Taking "We can hit you, but you can't hit us back" -deals is pretty much the worst option to take so I can see why Fang took it and why tgv didn't.
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Isn't it against the rules, that CT let's its planets being farmed? Dropping by 50% within two days smells like a farming agreement.
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Isn't it against the rules, that CT let's its planets being farmed? Dropping by 50% within two days smells like a farming agreement.
Or just too many incs to handle and at this stage for them why bother defending
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Farmer-Bob please, everyone wants to avoid being blocked, but if you're in it to win it, you will get blocked. Taking "We can hit you, but you can't hit us back" -deals is pretty much the worst option to take so I can see why Fang took it and why tgv didn't.
Its a trade off.
In certain situation you want the other potential blockers to be able to gal raid, meanwhile keeping them on your good side.
If they hit a gal with 2 CT, 2 Ult, 2 p3ng planets they arnt pushing your "war" or "competition" in any special direction.
Alliances like Ult knows they can beat most alliances 1 on 1, or 1 on 2, and as long as they are able to keep the incomming from smaller tags to a manageable level they will pull ahead of their competitiors. Im sure thats why alliances like Ult has agreed on such "loopsided" deals with me in the past.
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Re: Upcomming r69 drama thread!

Careful BB or the full rest of the story will come out.

No HC/Alliance would/should take any such deal if offered. Oh and yeah we did take a deal.... a full in-game NAP later initiated by your HC once they found out the *insert your favorite swear word* deal you proposed even though you were not authorized to make any deals.

Whoops.... I guess I did add to the story after all

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I think they even took some of your powers away in game but would have to search through my logs to get all the conversations but not going to do it unless its warranted. Oh yeah....I have the logs of our conversations and conversations with the HCs
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Careful BB or the full rest of the story will come out.

No HC/Alliance would/should take any such deal if offered. Oh and yeah we did take a deal.... a full in-game NAP later initiated by your HC once they found out the *insert your favorite swear word* deal you proposed even though you were not authorized to make any deals.

Whoops.... I guess I did add to the story after all

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I think they even took some of your powers away in game but would have to search through my logs to get all the conversations but not going to do it unless its warranted. Oh yeah....I have the logs of our conversations and conversations with the HCs
Hah, sorry, nobody took my "powers" away, after VulgAr NAPed you ingame behind my back, i just took my playerbase and left the tag.
And yes, a lot of alliances/HCs would take such a deal if offered.
Ult R50, FAnG R51, and im sure ive offered similiar deals to a lot of tags after that aswell.
Maybe you wouldnt, but that is up to you, after all you dont have the same pedigree as the tags i mentioned.
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Hah, sorry, nobody took my "powers" away, after VulgAr NAPed you ingame behind my back, i just took my playerbase and left the tag.
And yes, a lot of alliances/HCs would take such a deal if offered.
Ult R50, FAnG R51, and im sure ive offered similiar deals to a lot of tags after that aswell.
Maybe you wouldnt, but that is up to you, after all you dont have the same pedigree as the tags i mentioned.
Wait Wait...so you are saying that alliances would take deals where you can hit them and they cannot hit you back even on retals.

please provide logs of an HC agreeing to this right now because I call BS on you. Hell since quite a few HCs are around have them come on here and state they agreed to that deal. If you cant then we just have further evidence that you talk out of your (_*_) all the time.

Oh and to clarify so that you dont twist things. The deal you offered was the your alliance can hit us (not sure if PT was implied but dont think so) with a possible max of 3/4 waves (not 100% sure of that) and we are NOT allowed to hit back or retal under any circumstances.

I would like to know the list of HCs that agreed to this so I can offer them similar deals in the near future.

Thanks

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so when is the gangbang on ult or is it gg this round?



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It is GG.
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Now its GG Butcher!

Ult bags top planet/ally while 2 galaxy`s still fightning for the galwin.
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Re: Upcomming r69 drama thread!

Rexdrax: the exact deal was no forts and max 3 waves. Which means BB could still partake in a block sheet and ptarget non-forts.

He thinks he's clever but he really isn't. And I don't believe for a second that anyone else took that deal.
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Rexdrax: the exact deal was no forts and max 3 waves. Which means BB could still partake in a block sheet and ptarget non-forts.

He thinks he's clever but he really isn't. And I don't believe for a second that anyone else took that deal.

Ah yes, thanks for the correction. BB wanted me to sacrifice out of forts planet which at that time made up about 1/3 of our members.
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Wait Wait...so you are saying that alliances would take deals where you can hit them and they cannot hit you back even on retals.

please provide logs of an HC agreeing to this right now because I call BS on you. Hell since quite a few HCs are around have them come on here and state they agreed to that deal. If you cant then we just have further evidence that you talk out of your (_*_) all the time.

Oh and to clarify so that you dont twist things. The deal you offered was the your alliance can hit us (not sure if PT was implied but dont think so) with a possible max of 3/4 waves (not 100% sure of that) and we are NOT allowed to hit back or retal under any circumstances.

I would like to know the list of HCs that agreed to this so I can offer them similar deals in the near future.

Thanks

(I am sure others would love that list too since that is an awesome deal)

Obviously FAnG agreed to it as i said, dunno who was their politics guy.
Ultores also has agreed to such a deal, all though as Zwans was doing politics it meant Forts + his gal
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so when is the gangbang on ult or is it gg this round?





People have made their choice.
Now its GG Butcher!

Ult bags top planet/ally while 2 galaxy`s still fightning for the galwin.
The sad fact is that Apprime had a EOR deal with Ult afaik.
No gangbang will commence any time soon.
Dont they keep you posted on politics over there?
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Obviously FAnG agreed to it as i said, dunno who was their politics guy.
Ultores also has agreed to such a deal, all though as Zwans was doing politics it meant Forts + his gal
i did not agree to any deal like this in FAnG. Dont remember if I Hced that Round. With who was the deal supposed to exist with?
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i did not agree to any deal like this in FAnG. Dont remember if I Hced that Round. With who was the deal supposed to exist with?
Certainly it was not with you.
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There was a deal! not with you tho! Also, I had the exact deal with ult, but it wasn't the same deal.

Also Bob, what comes to following the universe, you certainly don't have a clue
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There was a deal! not with you tho! Also, I had the exact deal with ult, but it wasn't the same deal.

Also Bob, what comes to following the universe, you certainly don't have a clue
Im sure you had loads of deal that round aswell, seeing you were in Howling Rain, you probly had some NAPs/deals on your own with the diffrent alliances mentioned.
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Guys stop feeding the troll please. If it was true he would give names. He hasn't so it's not. Just move on.

For the record I remember laughing about said deal with clouds, back when he was only 60% twat.

Miss you bubblehead!!!

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The drama is over for this round.
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We are trying to brake the -32% ct record today!
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Re: Upcomming r69 drama thread!

Sounds to me like Butcher fundamentally misunderstood human nature.

Experiments have been run in which 2 people are paired up: Alice is given $10 to divide up between her and Bob. Afterwards, Bob gets to choose: either accept the distribution proposed by Alice, or burn the $10. He cannot make a counter-proposal. Rationally, even $0.01 is better than nothing, so Bob should always accept the split. In reality, if Bob considered the split too unfair, he would rather burn the money (all of it, including his own share) than accept it.

The reason humans think this way is probably because such one-off encounters are rare, in an evolutionary sense. On the African savannah, Alice and Bob are in the same tribe (or maybe neighbouring ones) and will see each other again. If Bob accepts $0.01 this time, he's told Alice how little he's willing to settle for. The next time, she has no incentive to offer more. But if Bob rejects the $0.01 offer, and then the $1 one, and then the $3 one, then Alice might offer a 50/50 split next time. Now, after 4 tries, Bob has $5 instead of $0.04. The rational strategy in the one-off version of the experiment is awful in the repeated version. The latter (more realistic) version is what we are have evolved to optimize for.

PA is basically an online tribe. Alliances play multiple rounds and people are around for even longer. If you build a reputation of accepting shitty deals, you'll never get offered a good one. You should therefore always reject bad deals. Even if it costs you the round, there's always next one, and your rejection will force people to offer you more next round.

There are exceptions. In real life-or-death situations, you can compel people into accepting bad deals, if you have enough power. In geopolitics, this is what superpowers do all the time. Bully the little guy: we can have fleets of battleships in your territorial waters, but if you try to do the same in ours (or, god forbid, fire back at them), there will be hell to pay. Similarly, if Alice has a gun, she can make Bob do (almost) whatever she likes: the difference between being dead and accepting $0.01 is far larger than the difference between getting $0 and $0.01.

In Planetarion, of course, there is no real danger. Losing the round (or rather, not winning it) sucks, especially if you were trying to win, but ultimately, this is just a game. Sometimes, people will prefer picking an option that is objectively worse for them, not just to spite someone they hate (though that will be the explanation they use, even to themselves), but to force their enemies to offer a better deal the next timearound: and in PA, everyone is a potential enemy. And note also: the outcome of losing because of accepting a bad deal and losing because of refusing a bad deal is identical: you lose.
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It actually was 34% pal!
The record I believe is 41%. Also on CT, from about 10-15 rounds ago
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The record I believe is 41%. Also on CT, from about 10-15 rounds ago
Possibly! I thought he meant from this round though
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Re: Upcomming r69 drama thread!

Seems like 7:5 having their planets closed, whata the story behind this
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Seems like 7:5 having their planets closed, whata the story behind this
We had a VNC problem
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