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Unread 18 Jul 2003, 20:06   #1
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Peer-to-peer users who swap copyrighted files could be in danger of becoming federal felons, under a new proposal backed by Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Their legislation, introduced Wednesday, would punish an Internet user who shares even a single file without permission from a copyright holder with prison terms of up to five years and fines of up to $250,000.
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Unread 18 Jul 2003, 20:10   #2
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**** em

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Trying to legislate the world. Who the **** do they think they are?

And how , pray tell , do they intend to prosecute a russian mafia family with servers based in Kazakhstan?

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+ Kazaa Lite v2.4 has an I.P. blocker (apparently) so RIAA cannot track you - ownage
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Hay guys, what's going on in this thread?
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Hay guys, what's going on in this thread?

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And how , pray tell , do they intend to prosecute a russian mafia family with servers based in Kazakhstan?
Kazakhstan is a Rogue Nation who is seeking to possess Weapons of Mass Destruction and is responsible for Human Rights Abuses. Also, there might be some oil there we haven't found yet.
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I don't care since I live in the U.K.

+ Kazaa Lite v2.4 has an I.P. blocker (apparently) so RIAA cannot track you - ownage
dont be so sure mate.

with our puppy dog prime minister, and our sick right wing neo conservative labour government, just you wait till they start ass licking american law's also. within time we will fall subject to this rubbish also. Unless EU jurisdiction overrules this??

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Unless EU jurisdiction overrules this??
There's a good chance that it does.

There might also be something in the Human Rights Act.

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1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
I'm not what that means concerning this. It gives "freedom ... to receive and impart information", but then it gives some conditions which could prevent the exchange of copyrighted material. Anyone here a lawyer?
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There's a good chance that it does.

There might also be something in the Human Rights Act.



I'm not what that means concerning this. It gives "freedom ... to receive and impart information", but then it gives some conditions which could prevent the exchange of copyrighted material. Anyone here a lawyer?
sorry are you saying that copyright is illegal/invalid because of 'free speech'?
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sorry are you saying that copyright is illegal/invalid because of 'free speech'?
I don't know - that's why I asked.

MP3s are "information", aren't they?
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I don't know - that's why I asked.

MP3s are "information", aren't they?
i'm sure there's a section of law called intellectual property

(i think that's what this falls under but not sure offhand and for once there's no lawyers around to ask)
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i'm sure there's a section of law called intellectual property
Free speech doesn't invalidate copyright law, someone would have noticed...

Anyway : We all know that private individuals sitting in their own homes, interacting with other private individuals through private networks are somehow oppressing someone elses freedom.
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There's no way they are going to be able to stop this, and they should have realised that a long time ago.

Oh, and how the hell are they going to prosecute me? I mean, here, the worst i can get is probably one or two years, and that's the worst the law has to offer. In reality, that would probably mean 50 days that i get if i do another severe crime the next two years.
Besides, it just makes people run away to private places where it's easier to find out who's a spy for the RIAA and who is not.
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Anyway : We all know that private individuals sitting in their own homes, interacting with other private individuals through private networks are somehow oppressing someone elses freedom.
Only if they get caught.

What really shocked me is the $15 million figure for government expenditure on harassing geeks. Is the entire purpose of making something criminal to justify ...15000000/60000... a couple of hundred computer crime experts being employed? What a waste.

And "felony"? So if an American uses KaZaA he can't be conscripted for WWIII?
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Is the entire purpose of making something criminal to justify ...15000000/60000... a couple of hundred computer crime experts being employed?
From what I hear, a good deal of the funding goes towards educating lawyers/bureaucrats as to what all this computer stuff, since they rarely know anything about it.
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dont be so sure mate.

with our puppy dog prime minister, and our sick right wing neo conservative labour government, just you wait till they start ass licking american law's also. within time we will fall subject to this rubbish also. Unless EU jurisdiction overrules this??

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'Written by Michigan's John Conyers, the senior Democrat on the House judiciary committee, the Author, Consumer, and Computer Owner Protection and Security Act (ACCOPS) represents Congress' boldest attempt yet to shutter peer-to-peer networks, which the major record labels and movie studios view as a serious threat. '

'Other sponsors of ACCOPS are Reps. Howard Berman of California, Adam Schiff of California, Marty Meehan of Massachusetts, Robert Wexler of Florida and Anthony Weiner of New York. No Republican has supported the proposal. '

sorry cant pin this one on the conservatie republicans this time...it is solely the liberal democrats pushing this one....wonder how much contributions they get from the record industry being backed mostly by California and New York democrats...go figure
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sorry cant pin this one on the conservatie republicans this time.
He didn't mention Republicans. He mentioned neo-Conservative right-wingers, which the Democrats certainly fall into. Although they aren't really "conservative", more reactionary, but nvm....
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