Political Situation

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

Indeed, Mazz is slightly mistaken over the order of events. Actual sequence was as follows:

1. Angels attack 1up as part of a coordinated attack on our block by the lch/exi block.
2. 1up and others from our block focus our attentions on Angels for 1 night.
3. Angels declare war on 1up.

There's no point rehashing old arguments over whether Angels were in the block or just coordinating attacks with them etc. The most amusing part (in my mind) remains the fact that you declared war AFTER you'd attacked us and we'd retaliated.

My apologies - I thought the initial attack with the exil block was the declaration. I stand corrected. I think the massive lack of logic (as you stated in the latter part of your post) slewed my memory.

[Fyodor]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

And that is, without doubt, one of the most laughable remarks I've ever read on these forums. How to turn the most non black and white situation ever into the crappest bit of propoganda ever to be smeared accross AD*.


*And given the last few rounds thats an impressive bit of bullshit

I dont know why its so laughable, as it is true. You needed 3 alliances to hit us. You needed 6 alliances last round to try and take exi down.

to me the most laughable post is the one that started this thread.

Last round we hit you for a night, you gather your your allies, hit us back, we declare war on you, you ask for a truce.

This round, you claim you have no allies, you get it by what you assume is a block, you take it to AD and whine about it.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Fyodor

I dont know why its so laughable, as it is true. You needed 3 alliances to hit us. You needed 6 alliances last round to try and take exi down.

to me the most laughable post is the one that started this thread.

Last round we hit you for a night, you gather your your allies, hit us back, we declare war on you, you ask for a truce.

This round, you claim you have no allies, you get it by what you assume is a block, you take it to AD and whine about it.

your versions of things are so skewed it'snot even worth talking to you anymore.

[Fyodor]

I agree, when the truth doesnt suit you it must be skewed.

[Mek]

omg...how the boot is on the other foot..

lets go back to round 12 shall we...1up were happy to go with other alliances and attack the #1alliance to "keep the game competetive" yet when the boot is on the other foot 1up dont seem to be to happy about being attacked by several alliances who are simply trying to stop u running away

stop being a bunch of hypocrites ty

and Insomnia have no NAPS or allys with an alliances atm ty

[furball]

I got just back from work, and the thread's grown two pages

Originally Posted by Wakey

He brought this to the community, the community didnt bring it to him and as such its his job to prove to us that said events are true. His failure to be abe to supply names or evidence of the goings on make this post by him utterly worthless and just another peice of 1up propaganda.

He claims a number of the alliances were approached so he wouldnt be selling one person out or highlighting them as 1ups informer and he obviously has a reason for believing what informants have told him so he should post whom he thinks is involved and why he beleives its true and not someone playing with 1up.

I'll give you an example, Wakey.

Let's say that a Howling Rain* HC was approached by a HC of one of the 3 'blocking' alliances, suggesting that 1up were getting a little too far in front. They suggest that the only way to prevent this would be to join the HIL block. The HR HC chats with his or her fellow HC, and decides not to go with them - preferring to remain solo. This would be entirely understandable, given that HR is not especially aiming for the #1 spot.

This Howling Rain HC happens to be personal friends with a 1up HC and in one of their chats, lets it slip that they've been asked to join the opposing block, but declines. Of course, this is all kept strictly confidential (between HR and 1up). The 1up HC, naturally, has either told Sid, or is Sid.


Now Wakey, how do you expect Sid to start naming names?



* Howling Rain are just an example and is in no way meant to infer anything upon Howling Rain. HR guys - if you mind, just find me on IRC and I'll edit.

[Devonian]

can we PLEASE just remember that it is a GAME ffs.

[rnd|One]

Events now reflected on the PAWiki. Initial reviews;
"the day has not yet ended" (TheRat, 1up)
"written well enough, though showing a slight bit of bias" (jerome, 1up)
"okay" (Guran, Insomnia)
"nub :/" (eb/afk, Insomnia)

[NRG-izer]

LOL

ur all so cute

play instead of this bladiebla nonsense

if ppl want to block.. fine there choice.. if not, fine to..

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a game played fair is a game that u realy won..

[Hesekiel]

G-II declares war on 1up!

[Remy]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

Why deny it - when the HC of various alliances have been approached by HC of those in your block and asked to cooperate in attacks/nap with you all. I'll be generous and assume you're just totally out of the loop rather than a bare-faced liar.

Is it REALLY that hard to be honest and say something like "1up were leading so we felt we needed some help to bring them down a bit. At the moment there's only 3 alliances in our group but hopefully if we can get a couple more on our side we'll have what we think is a level playing field. We reckon if if we can get 50% of the paid planets on our team and nap another 25% we stand a fair chance of getting #1."

Because it aint true?

Sorry, but you cant prove im lying and i cant prove im telling the truth. Bit pointless to carry this on. The simple situation is that by accusing us of this, you will have a free way to form a block. Which will lead to LCH or others forming a counterblock. Which will lead to you telling the world: i told you they had a block.

I know, because you did it last round too ^^

[Morden]

Originally Posted by Fyodor

1up came to us for a truce, not vice versa.

It served your purpose as much as it did 1up old friend ;-) and I cant say I blamed you for the way you handled the round.

Granted at the time I had hoped that you would have sided against Exil etc ;-) would've been interresting to see.

shouldnt really blame sid or mazz for it though, as they didnt exactly go running to you ;-) I think you'd have told them to go **** themselves if they had.

Anyways, hope this round goes well for all of you. I would have loved to have played, looks interresting, but my rl is currently far too complicated.

[Jonas]

I wonder who sent the poor nub that crashed into my planet(stealing 7 roids) on a retal when I roided 1up. He was definatley not 1up himself

Gave both Sid and mazz a pos rep. felt sorry for them. Afterall, they make AD come to live \o/

[furssie]

I find it hard to comprehend 3 out of the top 5 alliances blocking together at early tick 300. Top 1's lead isnt uber significant yet, they practically just won the pod rush era of the round, and they are what, leading by 30-35 roids in average?.

Justifying mass blocking because top ally is leading is just lame. Not that im saying to let the top ally win while we all watch, but three is too much at this point. Why not just two and instead, organize your internal members and military officers not to suck like they did the first 300 ticks. If you guys pull of a victory via increasing numbers ratio, it will be hard to recognize the victory.

[Krum]

Originally Posted by Remy

Because it aint true?

Sorry, but you cant prove im lying and i cant prove im telling the truth. Bit pointless to carry this on. The simple situation is that by accusing us of this, you will have a free way to form a block. Which will lead to LCH or others forming a counterblock. Which will lead to you telling the world: i told you they had a block.

I know, because you did it last round too ^^

Why ppl still talking after this?!

[Murador]

Originally Posted by Krum

Why ppl still talking after this?!

coz those who have eyes can see, those who have ears can listen and so on ...

[demiGOD]

Originally Posted by wakey

I havent claimed you are telling lies, just that your manipulating the community by being very vaugue and then calling other people liars. If you are going to post something like this on the forums you should be justifying your claims rather than attempting to use your reputation to sway people and make them fine with any future blocking you do in responce. And yes information can be faked but atleast if its offered its up to the users to make up their mind on these 'facts' rather than deciding on whos reputation holds the most weight.

Power through influence - it's a very basic technique of the propagation of political endeavors, some true but mostly fabricated. It causes ones enemy to stall and to bait into believing something to hide the true conspired goal that achieves the initiator's organization's best interests.

Of course everyone knows this in this game, so through reverse psychology, he could actually be telling the truth.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by furssie

I find it hard to comprehend 3 out of the top 5 alliances blocking together at early tick 300. Top 1's lead isnt uber significant yet, they practically just won the pod rush era of the round, and they are what, leading by 30-35 roids in average?.

Justifying mass blocking because top ally is leading is just lame. Not that im saying to let the top ally win while we all watch, but three is too much at this point. Why not just two and instead, organize your internal members and military officers not to suck like they did the first 300 ticks. If you guys pull of a victory via increasing numbers ratio, it will be hard to recognize the victory.

Every round so far in PA has been won by major blocking, often in unbalanced blocks aswell. All rounds except for one ofc. Nonetheless the winner of that round is recognized as the winner (unless you pull an Ely) and the winner of this round, through blocking, will be recognized as the winner.

That's how simple it has always been, that's how simple it'll be this round aswell.

I also don't believe you know the full political situation. Either you believe the 1up PR or you believe the LCH PR .... let me tell you that probably NOBODY here knows what's perfect truth (not even sid, as he said it himself he still lacks prove to "some" of his accusations).
As usual this is all based on "oohhh look, alliance X and Y are attacking the same targets, let's assume they are napped ... no wait ... let assume they are allied AND form a block with alliance Z, of which we currently have no proof that they're a part of it but ahh well ... why not give it a try on AD nway".

it's the same pulling game every round, that's what politics on AD is all about.

[Geezer77]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

Also, would this pissant who neg repped me without any form of justification please stand up and tell me why it's 'ridiculous' to say 1up didn't block in round 11 and exilition did in round 13?

I have no idea why you were neg repped, but stop trying to make 1up sound so innocent. R11 if 1up didn't block, then they had an aweful lot of planet naps and naps with other alliance temporarily (which is was Sid created this thread about is it not), and i remember distinctly pretty much every alliance attack Mistu for a number of nights when Mistu were temporarily #1. Now according to Sid napping is also considering blocking as you don't target the alliance your napped with, and so obviously target the others.

I don't deny EXilition blocked, although it wasn't on the scale alot of 1up members make out. I think the fact your trying to deny 1up block in previous rounds disturbing though. So unless napping isn't blocking which would make sids statement even more irrelevent, stop talking crap!!

And don't get me mistaken, my opinions on 1up tactics don't change the fact that the deservedly won R11 and R12, but why do some other people moan about it when it has been happening for so long from all major alliances involved.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Geezer77

stuff.....

The planetary NAPS in round 11 were nothing to do with 1up. We simply extended the same offer to every planet in our galaxies: if you hit us you will be hit, if you do not wish to hit us then you will be left alone. 1up cannot be help responsible for the cowardice of the planets who decided that their personal/gal rank was more important than their alliance reaching for the top.

1up didn't attack MISTU en masse during the period you are talking about. If you were to look back you would see us advocating the extension of hostilities towards LCH as we did not see MISTU as much of a threat as LCH at the time.

1up have not denied relationships with other alliances in rounds 12 and 13.

Everyone but you can see the obvious size of the Exilition block. And do remember, it's not always about size, it's about firepower and last round the Exilition 'side' far outweighed anything 1up, ToF and ND had to offer.

nqp.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

Everyone but you can see the obvious size of the Exilition block. And do remember, it's not always about size, it's about firepower and last round the Exilition 'side' far outweighed anything 1up, ToF and ND had to offer.

nqp.

hehe m8, but then that's your (1up) shortcoming to chose "weak" partners and it's their shortcoming to not be able to assist you (1up) enough to make a difference.
You can't blame exilition for being clever/sneaky and take the stronger alliances to be their partner

[berten]

Originally Posted by Fyodor

how does one realistically break up the block once it is initiated?

that tbh is quite simple
it's a random round, so no true galaxy problems there, we cld just go back to the way it used to be just a week ago.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

hehe m8, but then that's your (1up) shortcoming to chose "weak" partners and it's their shortcoming to not be able to assist you (1up) enough to make a difference.
You can't blame exilition for being clever/sneaky and take the stronger alliances to be their partner

I wasn't blaming anyone - I was just stating a fact in respect to the point made about "size" by Geezer77. Point is that we got our asses whupped by Exilition and thats that. No amount of moaning or blubbing about cheating or blocking will make any difference. However, this does not stop one stating irrefutable facts when people chose to make observations that just aren't right.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by berten

that tbh is quite simple
it's a random round, so no true galaxy problems there, we cld just go back to the way it used to be just a week ago.

Hell, why didn't we think of that in rnd 10, 10.5, 12 and 13?

It doesn't work like that, plain and simple. HC are always far to wary of breaking up a block and then getting gang raped. They will always chose to stay in a big gang and beat on the little kids in the playground.

[Agerus]

omg, what is all the fuss about???!

if there was really an uber anti-1up block, don't you think 1up would lose like 5-10% each night?

imo, this is just bad 1up propaganda because they feel some alliance go against them, which is totally self-evident because they are no1.

again, where is the uber anti-1up block Mr. Sid is talking about?

[Alki]

Originally Posted by Agerus

where is the uber anti-1up block Mr. Sid is talking about?

it is on the end of my manhood being inserted into your rear!

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by Alki

it is on the end of my manhood being inserted into your rear!

Not much of a huge block then

[Wishmaster]

There is no alliance between Hydra / LCH and Insomnia.

1 sentence is all that has to be said to counter Sids post.

[Ardy]

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

There is no alliance between Hydra / LCH and Insomnia.

1 sentence is all that has to be said to counter Sids post.

In theory, but as had been said 100 times, there's no way you guys can prove that, and no way Sid can prove that there is. Incomings may or mat not be coincedental.

Anyone else see the possibility of this thread going round in circles?

[Agerus]

well, what worries me is that 1up claims there is a block and now obviously starting to make a block themselves/NAPs etc. count on that, too

[Cayl]

What's important is not what is true or what is not true. Whats not important is whether 1up is right or wrong.

What is important is 1up's perceptions. What should be important to most of you is that 1up has stated what it intends to do and why. This is your rare look into our intended actions and motivations.

Plan accordingly.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

There is no alliance between Hydra / LCH and Insomnia.

1 sentence is all that has to be said to counter Sids post.

Wrong.

1 word is all it takes to counter Wishmasters post.

And round and round we go.

[Stifler]

this thread makes me laugh out loud irl

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Stifler

this thread makes me laugh out loud irl

LIES!!!!11

LCH don't have a sense of humour

[-=Zyth=-]

Dont what ever you do block ToF, its like signing up a new enemy.

[Stifler]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

LIES!!!!11

LCH don't have a sense of humour

I can laugh at TheRat and this thread easily enough

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by -=Zyth=-

Dont what ever you do block ToF, its like signing up a new enemy.

Why don't you go merge nd or something and whille you're at it learn how to spell safety?

[Squidly]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Why don't you go merge nd or something and whille you're at it learn how to spell safety?

I would suggest go merge ToF, but tbh, the beer is the only thing going for you right now.

Sure aint your average score or roid count, that's for sure =/

If you're going to have a go at the guy, could you at least try something relevant to the 1up vs Insom/Lch/hydra/etc conversation rather than a spelling mistake in a 3 line sig for an alliance which currently isn't playing this round?

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Why don't you go merge nd or something and whille you're at it learn how to spell safety?

#1 rule of internet discussions: if you can't find any substantial arguments against your opponent, make fun of his bad spelling.

[Murador]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Why don't you go merge nd or something and whille you're at it learn how to spell safety?

why don't u go and try to spell While ?

[barney]

Originally Posted by Squidly

... conversation rather than a spelling mistake in a 3 line sig for an alliance which currently isn't playing this round?

"3 word sig" surely ;P

[Gate]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Why don't you go merge nd or something and whille you're at it learn how to spell safety?

I found Zyth's comment rather amusing - I remember that a lot of times last round (I really do mean a lot) I either had to go prod ToF HC, or I heard another DC bitching about 'omfg, it's ToF again :/ '. I have nothing against ToF: you've built yourself out of almost nothing over the last few rounds into a solid T10 alliance, training up plenty of new talent in the process and therefore contributing lots to the game. BUT, you did have a hilarious tendency to hit your allies a lot last round

And this brings up a good point: ToF are the next big alliance outside of the T5; with WP well known for their fencesitting, will it be ToF that tip the scales in either side's favour?

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by Squidly

I would suggest go merge ToF, but tbh, the beer is the only thing going for you right now.

Sure aint your average score or roid count, that's for sure =/

If you're going to have a go at the guy, could you at least try something relevant to the 1up vs Insom/Lch/hydra/etc conversation rather than a spelling mistake in a 3 line sig for an alliance which currently isn't playing this round?

I don't see where "Don't block tof, it's like signing up a new enemy" is relevant to this thread in any way, so why give a reply that's relevant to this thread? He clearly had a go at tof, so i decided to have a go back at him.

Originally Posted by Gate

And this brings up a good point: ToF are the next big alliance outside of the T5; with WP well known for their fencesitting, will it be ToF that tip the scales in either side's favour?

Currently ToF isn't in a block, and I don't think we'll be joining one either...
We're planning on staying solo in r14

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

I don't see where "Don't block tof, it's like signing up a new enemy" is relevant to this thread in any way

I'm sure he said that for pure fun as ToF attacked their allies a LOT last round (Several times a day NoS got ToF incs and I'm sure 1up/SiNND got it aswell)

/me pets ViX

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Currently ToF isn't in a block, and I don't think we'll be joining one either...
We're planning on staying solo in r14

I don't think gate was saying you were. I actually think he was giving you a complement insofar as ToF now being of a standard where they can make a difference in a war that might affect the outcome. This isn't (and I mean no offense by this) something that would normally have been said about ToF 3 or more rounds ago.

[Goodfellah]

none taken mazz, we know that. but vdm ment that tofs position atm is solo, and we are planning to keep it like this. and to zyth, well tried but i dont think anybody cares

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Goodfellah

none taken mazz, we know that. but vdm ment that tofs position atm is solo, and we are planning to keep it like this. and to zyth, well tried but i dont think anybody cares

d'oh

I know thats what he meant but it was a pointless remark. Whether you are solo or not you are still of enough quality to have bearing on the round which is exactly what Gate was saying and which I was reiterating.

Just because you are solo it doesn't mean that you aren't hitting one side slightly more than the other (by pure random targetting ofc) which may have an effect on the outcome of any wars.

[Squidly]

Originally Posted by barney

"3 word sig" surely ;P

/me waves the legendary flag of "Damn you!!!"

[Deceiver]

This kind of post is what PA used to be famous for back in the earlier rounds. I haven't seen propoganda this good in quite some time. Keep it up.

[Foxman]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

It's 100% the truth. We were offered naps/alliances and declined them all.

lol