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Unread 29 Jan 2004, 09:33   #51
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Re: R there allready ideas for blocks???

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Unread 29 Jan 2004, 11:38   #52
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Re: R there allready ideas for blocks???

perhaps we shud just all wait and see what will happen
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im looking forward to it :gollum:
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Unread 29 Jan 2004, 12:34   #54
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Re: R there allready ideas for blocks???

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rofl, I know. Ask Focht, as all your allies HC's. EET existed before FAnG even talked to Dragons.

I thought this was common knowledge ...

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Exactly because you tried first to get into a block with ToT + Ecl or Ely.
We just werent able to get an acceptabel solution for all, you remember or have I to post extracts of our logs again?
So stop trying to make the universe believe you wanted to go solo in before of PAX.
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Re: R there allready ideas for blocks???

I wonder why you still bother Sonnen, you know Kj will nag about it on and on like about r7 Fang.
Its his weak spot and ofc he will claim fang never planned to ally anyone.
Tho most ppl know the fact EET didnt exist before Fang approached ToT/Eclipse in an attempted to make ET-F (this was 1 month before the round started if not longer).
After various incidents both Eclipse and ToT stated they dont want to go with Fang. As a result we saw a lengthy board campaign about EET to demonise Eclipse and ToT. A rumor spread before any serious talks with Ely were held. Ely joined short after our side and formed the final agreement. Seeing Fangs earlier attempts to demonise us we also agreed to keep informations about our deals low and to deny it without publically going into the topic. A strategy which worked well for us, eventho i believe noone in the political branch of pa was surprised or did not know about it anyways. Yet the desired effect, of not giving Fang the opportunity to paint us black or to push us in a corner worked out.
Fang on the otherhand, according to all known sources wasnt "unbusy" themself, maintaining a variety of deals themself.
So debating this whole is quiet moot and a thing of the past since the outcome is well known to all sides.
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I hope not, i have plans for TomKat and RJ
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Unread 29 Jan 2004, 18:41   #60
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Re: R there allready ideas for blocks???

I cannot remember the exact details, but I know for certain tha FAnG Approached Eclipse and ToT, about a week after I Agreed to help out, which would make the time roughly 1-2 weeks before the start of the round.

As for the Pr campaign, it was started once we received confirmation that Elysium were in serious talks and had pretty much agreed, I wont name any names, but there was a minor slipup by a friend of mine who let some of the details slip. And that was when the Pr campaign was commenced, roughly 4 days after the talks between Elysium and Eclipse/ToT.

Anyways not like it makes a huge difference, no matter what you guys argue about, the game will still be incredibly dull, bad for your sleep patterns, bad for your sex life(if you have one) and bad for any job you have. So do yourself a favour and chill out before you give yourself a heart attack,
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Blocking is bad mkay
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Re: R there allready ideas for blocks???

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Exactly because you tried first to get into a block with ToT + Ecl or Ely.
We just werent able to get an acceptabel solution for all, you remember or have I to post extracts of our logs again?
Too true, It would have been interresting. Probably would have worked if I'd talked to you and Focht ;-)

But to be honest I still think refusing the Non Agression Pact was the right thing to do. I for one do not trust them. A N.A.P. is basically toilet paper, and more often than not, is often used as toilet paper.
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Exactly because you tried first to get into a block with ToT + Ecl or Ely.
We just werent able to get an acceptabel solution for all, you remember or have I to post extracts of our logs again?
So stop trying to make the universe believe you wanted to go solo in before of PAX.
again, I never ever claimed to go solo. Yes I wanted to have a deal with tot, after all you were our best allies ever during our existance (till r10). The fact that we didn't had a deal was for several reasons. One of those was my 'respectless' way of handling things, another one was you basing stuff on FALSE info and focht basing stuff on you and the same FALSE info, which you agreed on shouldn't have happened like that.

Nway, I never disliked Tot, not even during r10. Tot will always be one of my fav alliances, pity you had to quit

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Unread 29 Jan 2004, 19:11   #64
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I wonder why you still bother Sonnen, you know Kj will nag about it on and on like about r7 Fang.
Its his weak spot and ofc he will claim fang never planned to ally anyone.
Tho most ppl know the fact EET didnt exist before Fang approached ToT/Eclipse in an attempted to make ET-F (this was 1 month before the round started if not longer).
After various incidents both Eclipse and ToT stated they dont want to go with Fang. As a result we saw a lengthy board campaign about EET to demonise Eclipse and ToT. A rumor spread before any serious talks with Ely were held. Ely joined short after our side and formed the final agreement. Seeing Fangs earlier attempts to demonise us we also agreed to keep informations about our deals low and to deny it without publically going into the topic. A strategy which worked well for us, eventho i believe noone in the political branch of pa was surprised or did not know about it anyways. Yet the desired effect, of not giving Fang the opportunity to paint us black or to push us in a corner worked out.
Fang on the otherhand, according to all known sources wasnt "unbusy" themself, maintaining a variety of deals themself.
So debating this whole is quiet moot and a thing of the past since the outcome is well known to all sides.
Do you actually believe what you're saying? So this is all MY bad? Eclipse didn't do a SINGLE thing wrong? If you wanna have credibility, then STATE THE FACTS, don't let out the mistakes you made. Yes Focht, during those negotiations EVEN you made mistakes which you still cannot admit to I guess.

Again, and PLZ DO QUOTE ME ON THIS FOR ETERNITY, I NEVER said I wanted to go solo. Period. Don't say I didn't, just don't lie about it cause I never planned to go solo r10.
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erm, I have asmuch sex now then when I played PA. I don't think PA has EVER stopped me from having sex m8. So that statement isn't really a valid one.

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Yea Kje got no sex when he played PA and he still gets no sex now. Bling ! Bling !

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Anyways not like it makes a huge difference, no matter what you guys argue about, the game will still be incredibly dull, bad for your sleep patterns, bad for your sex life(if you have one) and bad for any job you have. So do yourself a favour and chill out before you give yourself a heart attack,
The irony is that neither Sonnen nor i nor KJ plan to play r11
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The irony is that neither Sonnen nor i nor KJ plan to play r11
Indeed, most of the old hounds are retiring :-)

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again, I never ever claimed to go solo. Yes I wanted to have a deal with tot, after all you were our best allies ever during our existance (till r10). The fact that we didn't had a deal was for several reasons. One of those was my 'respectless' way of handling things, another one was you basing stuff on FALSE info and focht basing stuff on you and the same FALSE info, which you agreed on shouldn't have happened like that.

Nway, I never disliked Tot, not even during r10. Tot will always be one of my fav alliances, pity you had to quit

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Kj one thing you must keep alive is the inactivity to read what its written and to see the difference what you believe.

I never stated anything about guilt or fault, i talked about incidents without even saying who was involved which leaded to the known decision not to go with Fang.
False info is also your view on things, i based my decision on a couple of points i told you in pm already a couple of times. None of them were purely related to ToT info but ofc we coordinated our decisions in lenghty phonecalls.

I must agree with morden that if somoene else did the political talks, things might have gone different since some of the animosities were directly related to your person kj. Tho this is not a personal dig and also known fact.

So please in gods name stop interpreting things in other ppls posts and just go with what you read.
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Kj one thing you must keep alive is the inactivity to read what its written and to see the difference what you believe.

I never stated anything about guilt or fault, i talked about incidents without even saying who was involved which leaded to the known decision not to go with Fang.
False info is also your view on things, i based my decision on a couple of points i told you in pm already a couple of times. None of them were purely related to ToT info but ofc we coordinated our decisions in lenghty phonecalls.

I must agree with morden that if somoene else did the political talks, things might have gone different since some of the animosities were directly related to your person kj. Tho this is not a personal dig and also known fact.

So please in gods name stop interpreting things in other ppls posts and just go with what you read.
I will not go into details about the FALSE info. I got logs Sonnen admitting he was wrong there, you 'partly' based yourself on that so whether you like it or not m8, the info was not correct and it was of some importance to your decision. Those are simple facts.

I'm sure Morden and you got a better relationship then we do, I mean hell, pple liking me are rare these days. So I will not dispute that he might have done a better job at it, nonetheless it wasn't his job to handle it.
Ofc some things were directly related to me, like there were eclipse issues I had which were directly related with you etc.

Yet what you did was pushing the blame to my side m8, maybe not volunteerly but that's what you stated.

One more thing though, saying it's not a personal dig, does NOT mean it isn't a personal dig ... Same with that dig towards FAnG where you also said it wasn't a dig.

Nway, I suggest we leave the past as it is, for me this thread was closed days ago but with these recent replies ...

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Indeed, most of the old hounds are retiring :-)

Btw m8, your gonna have to meet me on Chaos sometime, PF-346 :-) we can fk around a bit.
sure, i have a character there, but since im training atm on Tempest + large projectile with him i think chaos is abit outdated and i only could handle megathrons or scorps :/

especially since i war atm with my alt char on a kestrel
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NoS has picked up the RaH remains, and will still be allied to hirr. The interesting part is however this: As a direct result from the NoS/hirr/VisioN war, these alliances now form a new block. The war showed all three alliances (to their mutual suprise, I might add) that they hold some very dedicated players. The war was fun, so the HC thought "why not have fun together?".

Eclipse is seeing this as a very promising constellation, and are now talking to the combined HC of VisoShirr.

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Xeno u just gave away my secret plan fs!
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NoS has picked up the RaH remains, and will still be allied to hirr. The interesting part is however this: As a direct result from the NoS/hirr/VisioN war, these alliances now form a new block. The war showed all three alliances (to their mutual suprise, I might add) that they hold some very dedicated players. The war was fun, so the HC thought "why not have fun together?".

Eclipse is seeing this as a very promising constellation, and are now talking to the combined HC of VisoShirr.

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I personally will do away with my last rounds super block where i was napped to everyone! This round I will be going solo so to speak!!!

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Re: R there allready ideas for blocks???

I know that I will be breaking a few rules, but just for the fun of it I will. Neither on Elysium forums or IRC channels where there any announcements of a joint deal with Ecl or ToT, of course such an agreement could have existed (and probably did) between the HC's of such alliances, but from my point as a regular member it would be more considered a "gentlemans agreement". As such my planet/ships where allowed to if presented a good target to hit Ecl/ToT, but as such occasions where minor or that my humble planet suffered extensive attacks by Dragons and FaNG, I could not engage in such activities.

Now I hope Elysium HC will have some understanding for me giving out information from forums and irc...

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I know that I will be breaking a few rules, but just for the fun of it I will. Neither on Elysium forums or IRC channels where there any announcements of a joint deal with Ecl or ToT, of course such an agreement could have existed (and probably did) between the HC's of such alliances, but from my point as a regular member it would be more considered a "gentlemans agreement". As such my planet/ships where allowed to if presented a good target to hit Ecl/ToT, but as such occasions where minor or that my humble planet suffered extensive attacks by Dragons and FaNG, I could not engage in such activities.

Now I hope Elysium HC will have some understanding for me giving out information from forums and irc...

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gentlemen agreement ... rofl, good one.

Funny seeing every HC involved "confessed" there was idd a full alliance between all alliances involved in EET.

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Unread 4 Feb 2004, 20:10   #82
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gentlemen agreement ... rofl, good one.

Funny seeing every HC involved "confessed" there was idd a full alliance between all alliances involved in EET.

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I have a log of stress denying any such alliance on the 29th of september.
I have logs of of a certain 'Information minister' saying that the Nato forces were being slaughtered, but that doesnt make it true.

And does it really supprise you that your HC would lie to you? Planetarion is based around little more than deceipt, it is impossible for a serious alliance to be completely honest and open if they want to survive.
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i have logs too
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I have a log of stress denying any such alliance on the 29th of september.
might be, I got logs of entire EET denying they exist at the start of the round but during the round it all becomes obvious and even the HC's believe it's no use to keep denying it. Same with FAnG and Dragons.
Ofc Stress told you that when the round just started, doesn't mean it's true though.

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IAnd does it really supprise you that your HC would lie to you? Planetarion is based around little more than deceipt, it is impossible for a serious alliance to be completely honest and open if they want to survive.
I believe my alliance has been honest all the way since the very beginning of this game. We rarely survive an entire round, though.


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i wnat to be bitter ower an online game too
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Do you actually believe what you're saying? So this is all MY bad? Eclipse didn't do a SINGLE thing wrong? If you wanna have credibility, then STATE THE FACTS, don't let out the mistakes you made. Yes Focht, during those negotiations EVEN you made mistakes which you still cannot admit to I guess.

Again, and PLZ DO QUOTE ME ON THIS FOR ETERNITY, I NEVER said I wanted to go solo. Period. Don't say I didn't, just don't lie about it cause I never planned to go solo r10.
jus as a side note.. our little 'unnofishial chat' was before we even had a conversation with ecl and tot .....
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jus as a side note.. our little 'unnofishial chat' was before we even had a conversation with ecl and tot .....
I don't see why this reply is of any rellevance though. Either you quoted the wrong stuff or I don't know what you're talking about.

Did I mention something about our chats before r10?

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Re: R there allready ideas for blocks???

from the inside informations i gathered just now, Eclipse plans to form a block together with Ely and NoS. What ely and NoS don`t know however is that Eclipse also has a deal with a still secret alliance consisting mainly of old LDK people, together with whom they will backstab ely and NoS.

rumour has it that on the other side Vision, Wolfpack and FAnG are also planning a block. They will mostly likely team up with the ND/hirr/Rock block to try to fight off the eclipse/ely/nos/LDK powerblock. The deciding question in the end will be whether the so far still unblocked alliances will fight ecl/ely/nos fast enough to prevent them from winning.
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oh, and the absolutely latest news is that Lokken, Patrician, jester and some of the other old deus folks are considering to get a new Deus ex Machina going to stop the evil zhil and his eclipse minnions.. it might be worth to offer them your support if you don`t want to be dominated by ecl/ely/nos/ldk
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from the inside informations i gathered just now, Eclipse plans to form a block together with Ely and NoS. What ely and NoS don`t know however is that Eclipse also has a deal with a still secret alliance consisting mainly of old LDK people, together with whom they will backstab ely and NoS.

rumour has it that on the other side Vision, Wolfpack and FAnG are also planning a block. They will mostly likely team up with the ND/hirr/Rock block to try to fight off the eclipse/ely/nos/LDK powerblock. The deciding question in the end will be whether the so far still unblocked alliances will fight ecl/ely/nos fast enough to prevent them from winning.

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I had a chat with Sid today, and he told me that he was restarting Fury.
How this will leave Eclipse and Mistu, who both have ex-fury members, is not yet known.
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I had a chat with Sid today, and he told me that he was restarting Fury.
How this will leave Eclipse and Mistu, who both have ex-fury members, is not yet known.

He isnt allowed to restart Fury till he gives me the Fury History document he was writing.

HEAR THAT SID!

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He isnt allowed to restart Fury till he gives me the Fury History document he was writing.

HEAR THAT SID!

PS: want to ally Sid?
Sid told me you aint going to get allowed to join this new Fury.

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Sid told me you aint going to get allowed to join this new Fury.

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Blasphemy!

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happy Valentine Zhil

P.S Sid asked me if you could get hold of his old head-shiner, lapdog. Sid needs his head polished.
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