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Unread 24 Feb 2003, 23:43   #1
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Government Scare-Tactics

http://www.ready.gov/

You know what's more scary than the fact that that website is government-funded?

:eek: THE UNITED STATES IS NOW SUFFERING A DUCT TAPE SHORTAGE! :eek:
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Re: Government Scare-Tactics

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http://www.ready.gov/

You know what's more scary than the fact that that website is government-funded?

:eek: THE UNITED STATES IS NOW SUFFERING A DUCT TAPE SHORTAGE! :eek:
Once searched that site for the word "terrorist". 91 results returned.

Once searched that site for the word "the". 91 results returned.
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Personally I think those sites are only part of the great propaganda machine that is trying to scare people into thinking they are doing the right thing when going to war.

Sad really.
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You can never have too much DUCT TAPE or D U R A C E L L batteries!
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They have a whole section on what to do if there is a nuclear blast.

It would have been simpler if they'd just said:

'The first thing to do if there is a nuclear blast in your vicinity is to die.'
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'The first thing to do if there is a nuclear blast in your vicinity is to die.'
"If you feel a burning sensation, don't scratch."
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Fabulous diagrams!

I love the "Consider if you can get out of the area;" one, heh.
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What's so terribly amusing (in a morbid way I suppose) is that these are the same sort of "safety good-feeling" wanky-spanky tales they told families during the Cold War era. I mean, hello, my high school history teacher grew up doing "safety drills" consisting of hiding under desks in case the R U S S I A N S launched a nuke or two at your local elementary school.

Hoo-ray!
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If a nuke goes off, I'll just eat some salt, which may or may not contain Potassium Iodide. It may or may not stop my thyroid gland exploding.
This may or may not be a good thing, and since my knowledge of the human anatomy is scarce at best, I shall assume the US Government is telling the truth and that this is good.
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Fabulous diagrams!

I love the "Consider if you can get out of the area;" one, heh.
This MUST be a piss take surely?
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Thinking you can seal off a room with duct tape and plastic is dumb. If you seal it up tight enough to keep out poison gas you will run out of oxygen and die. If you leave an air hole poison gas will get in and you will die. If a nuke goes off the duct tape and plastic will melt and you will die. If you stockpile large amounts of food it won't last forever, and if you wait to long to eat it you will die.
I see no sense in following the guidlines, I have a farm, with a permanent spring and lots of wild game and plants, if that isn't enough then what's the point of going on anyway?
I will continue life as usual, the so called terrorists don't worry me.
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The kit is basically a good idea--not because of any potential terrorist activity, but for "natural" disasters like floods, earthquakes, tornados, etc.

Including duct tape is just stupid though.
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The kit is basically a good idea--not because of any potential terrorist activity, but for "natural" disasters like floods, earthquakes, tornados, etc.

Including duct tape is just stupid though.
Duct tape is really useful... when i was trekking in madagascar my team were very glad of my giant role.

used for fixing bags, fastening luggage to transport, fixing tents, both material and poles... etc!!!!

Tuct Tape > *

+ the comedy put it on peoples legs and lip it off for entertainment option.
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Duct tape is really useful...
Yes, duct tape is useful--but not something for an emergency kit.
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Thinking you can seal off a room with duct tape and plastic is dumb. If you seal it up tight enough to keep out poison gas you will run out of oxygen and die. If you leave an air hole poison gas will get in and you will die. If a nuke goes off the duct tape and plastic will melt and you will die. If you stockpile large amounts of food it won't last forever, and if you wait to long to eat it you will die.
I see no sense in following the guidlines, I have a farm, with a permanent spring and lots of wild game and plants, if that isn't enough then what's the point of going on anyway?
I will continue life as usual, the so called terrorists don't worry me.
Many gasses, isotopes and microorganism have a very short lifespan after release. Personally I would rather try to seal myself up for a few hours (or as long as the rooms oxygen will last), than running out into the first and best debris cloud and breathing heavilly. Farm or no farm.
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We are the Borg.
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They're worried that these vehicles have already been, or could be, transported inside the United States to be used in an attack, although there is no proof that this has happened
So if there is no proof, it's just pure speculation and propaganda then.
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Fabulous diagrams!

I love the "Consider if you can get out of the area;" one, heh.

I must remeber to download the PDF to my Palm.
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Heh..

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IN A HIGH-RISE BUILDING
Take your emergency supply kit, unless there is reason to believe it has been contaminated.
So every office worker in the U.S. should carry their emergency supply kit to work with them in a high rise building

In the event terrorists use Bad Music as a wepon (e.g. Micheal Bolton)



Y'know whats funny though

1) The american economy is in decline
2)ppl are scared by terrorist threats
3)Combine the two and you get ppl buying things at abnormal rates as government 'advice' says buying duct tape and U.S. manufactured batteries can save you from the evil terrorists.

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4) Well that's a few more dollars in the economy

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Flashlight and extra batteries
Battery powered radio and extra batteries
Plastic garbage bags, ties and toilet paper for personal sanitation
First aid kit
Map of the area for evacuation or for locating shelters
A whistle to signal for help
Moist towelettes
MOIST TOWELETTES?!?!



I think we have a winner....

Honestly though,things are heading in the McCarthist direction far too quickly now..
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Do not smoke.
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Many gasses, isotopes and microorganism have a very short lifespan after release. Personally I would rather try to seal myself up for a few hours (or as long as the rooms oxygen will last), than running out into the first and best debris cloud and breathing heavilly. Farm or no farm.
And just how long will it take you to seal off the room?
I'm guessing here that you won't try to seal off the room until after the gas has been released, since most of the time there will be no warning. Sealing it air tight will take time, if it can even be done, meanwhile the gas is already floating around the area.
I'm sorry, it's a dumb plan, it will not work, and it's sole purpose is to fool people into thinking they can do something to save themselves after it's too late, probably to keep them in their homes so their bodies will be easier to identify later.
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And just how long will it take you to seal off the room?
I'm guessing here that you won't try to seal off the room until after the gas has been released, since most of the time there will be no warning. Sealing it air tight will take time, if it can even be done, meanwhile the gas is already floating around the area.
I'm sorry, it's a dumb plan, it will not work, and it's sole purpose is to fool people into thinking they can do something to save themselves after it's too late, probably to keep them in their homes so their bodies will be easier to identify later.
I could seal off my bathroom in about two minutes with duct tape. I calculated that there is enough oxygen there to last my girlfriend and I about 12 hours. The city where I live has an air raid siren they test every Saturday at noon. I have no idea why though, because I live in Ath, Belgium. No one would want to attack Ath. I already have enough duct tape. I have always kept a roll handy since 1983 when I first discovered how useful it is. If the air raid siren did not go off, the only warning I would have is if I happened to be looking out the window and saw people dropping to the ground and twitching for no apparent reason. Anyway, it is better to have some idea how you might save yourself in the event of an emergency, rather just running around like a chicken with your head cut off.
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And just how long will it take you to seal off the room?
I'm guessing here that you won't try to seal off the room until after the gas has been released, since most of the time there will be no warning. Sealing it air tight will take time, if it can even be done, meanwhile the gas is already floating around the area.
I'm sorry, it's a dumb plan, it will not work, and it's sole purpose is to fool people into thinking they can do something to save themselves after it's too late, probably to keep them in their homes so their bodies will be easier to identify later.
If I see a big yellow cloud drifting in my general direction, I might be able to outrun it, or more likely I might not. I do think I'll have time to do my best at an air pocket job tho. (Not that it's my first choice of action, seeing as I don't live with a family, and have NBC gear I can put on first.) But even if I had a minimal chance at decreasing the exposure from "fatal" to "disabling", I would do what I could, rather than just say "oh heck, who wants to live in a world with these weapons anyway?" and give up.
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You should at least correct the spelling error in your sig since he is not a native English speaker.

The middle way is only liberating half of Iraq and continuing sanctions and inspections on the other half. That's a good idea. Liberate the Kurds and Shiites. Starve the Sunni ruling class. Wu is smarter than I thought.
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You should at least correct the spelling error in your sig since he is not a native English speaker.

The middle way is only liberating half of Iraq and continuing sanctions and inspections on the other half. That's a good idea. Liberate the Kurds and Shiites. Starve the Sunni ruling class. Wu is smarter than I thought.
The funniness all comes from the use of the word "contrary".
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The city where I live has an air raid siren they test every Saturday at noon.
Wouldn't it be funny if WWIII breaks out at noon on Saturday and noone realises.
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If I see a big yellow cloud drifting in my general direction, I might be able to outrun it, or more likely I might not. I do think I'll have time to do my best at an air pocket job tho. (Not that it's my first choice of action, seeing as I don't live with a family, and have NBC gear I can put on first.) But even if I had a minimal chance at decreasing the exposure from "fatal" to "disabling", I would do what I could, rather than just say "oh heck, who wants to live in a world with these weapons anyway?" and give up.
I think a quality gas mask and isolation suit would be far better.
I do not believe it is possible to seal a room air tight with duct tape and plastic, certainly not in two minutes as Texan claims.
And if you are really concerned about being attacked the suit and mask can be carriied with you and used anywhere, unlike plasitc and duct tape, which requires you to already be in a room not contaminated. If your own a subway and see someone pull out a vial and smash it, you can whip out your mask and have it on in seconds. duct tape and plastic is stupid, admit it.
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The funniness all comes from the use of the word "contrary".
That is why you should correct "achieve." In it's current format, it detracts from the hilarity of contrary.
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Wouldn't it be funny if WWIII breaks out at noon on Saturday and noone realises.
If I was a bad guy, I would definitely attack Ath at noon on Saturday. No one would know until they were dying. That is assuming that a preemptive attack on Ath would have some strategic value. Like maybe taking out my ADSL service so I could not warn PA GDers to take cover and gather up the duct tape and plastic sheets.
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I think a quality gas mask and isolation suit would be far better.
I do not believe it is possible to seal a room air tight with duct tape and plastic, certainly not in two minutes as Texan claims.
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Certainly a gas mask and chemical protection suit are better, but I already have the duct tape.
Two minutes is a very generous estimate. I could probably do it in less than a minute. My apartment is generally airtight already with rubber seals on the windows. The doors are not perfectly sealed, but the chemical or biolgical agent would have to come in beneath the ground floor door, then go up a flight of stairs and underneath my apartment door. The bathroom has no windows and is in the central area of the apartment. Four strips of duct tape is all it would need to seal the bathroom. I do not have central air conditioning or heating to move the air around in the apartment. I'm not sure if you have ever lived in Europe. The homes are a bit different than the United States. I lived in the United States for 21 years, so I am somewhat familiar with the differences between homes here and there.
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Certainly a gas mask and chemical protection suit are better, but I already have the duct tape.
Two minutes is a very generous estimate. I could probably do it in less than a minute. My apartment is generally airtight already with rubber seals on the windows. The doors are not perfectly sealed, but the chemical or biolgical agent would have to come in beneath the ground floor door, then go up a flight of stairs and underneath my apartment door. The bathroom has no windows and is in the central area of the apartment. Four strips of duct tape is all it would need to seal the bathroom. I do not have central air conditioning or heating to move the air around in the apartment. I'm not sure if you have ever lived in Europe. The homes are a bit different than the United States. I lived in the United States for 21 years, so I am somewhat familiar with the differences between homes here and there.
Nope, never been overseas but I have hopes of making it, even got my first passport last fall.
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I think a quality gas mask and isolation suit would be far better.
I do not believe it is possible to seal a room air tight with duct tape and plastic, certainly not in two minutes as Texan claims.
And if you are really concerned about being attacked the suit and mask can be carriied with you and used anywhere, unlike plasitc and duct tape, which requires you to already be in a room not contaminated. If your own a subway and see someone pull out a vial and smash it, you can whip out your mask and have it on in seconds. duct tape and plastic is stupid, admit it.
Advantages of duct tape and plastic over real NBC gear:
  • Cheaper
  • There's a big enough supply for everyone to have it
  • It's more "harmless" in that the psycological factor of owning duct tape and plastic is less than of proper gear
  • It can protect whoever is near at the time of an attack
  • It does not require training for proper use, pretty much anyone, down to the 12 year old of the family, can tape a door airtight
Now, I have my suit and mask, but that's just because I'm in the norwegian home guard. I think I can get into my gear faster than I can seal up a room, but again only because I've drilled (and timed) with my equipment again and again. If your goal is to protect (or limit damage to) a population of many millions civilians, real gear is not an option.


And the defeatist attitude shown in your first post is simply silly. An N/B/C attack is not a "either you're safe, or you're gonna die" scenario. _Anything_ you do can affect your chance of surviving.
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Advantages of duct tape and plastic over real NBC gear:
  • Cheaper
  • There's a big enough supply for everyone to have it
  • It's more "harmless" in that the psycological factor of owning duct tape and plastic is less than of proper gear
  • It can protect whoever is near at the time of an attack
  • It does not require training for proper use, pretty much anyone, down to the 12 year old of the family, can tape a door airtight
Now, I have my suit and mask, but that's just because I'm in the norwegian home guard. I think I can get into my gear faster than I can seal up a room, but again only because I've drilled (and timed) with my equipment again and again. If your goal is to protect (or limit damage to) a population of many millions civilians, real gear is not an option.


And the defeatist attitude shown in your first post is simply silly. An N/B/C attack is not a "either you're safe, or you're gonna die" scenario. _Anything_ you do can affect your chance of surviving.
I was intentional monotoning on the first post, thought that would have been obvious.
I do think that the whole concept is stupid, think about what "airtight" really is. Will a room truly be "airtight" because you put a liitle duct tape around it? Hell no. If you go all out and completly enclose the room with plastic then "maybe" it will be airtight. Most likely the best you will achieve is to seal out enough air so there will not be enough fresh air to replace what you are using, but some seepage will still occur. If that seepage is the gas, which is likely, then your dead anyway. The whole idea is designed to make you think you can do something, in most cases I predict it will fail.
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_Anything_ you do can affect your chance of surviving.
That's certainly true if you know you're going to be exposed and/or the preventive measures themselves have little or no risk. Establishing an airtight seal around someone is far from risk-free because they will die unless it's unsealed. Once sealed in, people won't want to unseal unless/until they know it's safe; but how will they know? Information may be incomplete or contradictory. The authorities may err on the side of caution and expand the areas believed to be threatened and/or delay the "all clear" causing people to seal themselves in unnecessarily and to remain sealed longer then they really have to--leading to some deaths by asphyxiation.

Personally, I consider the likelyhood of such an attack to be very low and, consequently, deaths caused by a false alarm may be the greater risk.
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I was intentional monotoning on the first post, thought that would have been obvious.
I do think that the whole concept is stupid, think about what "airtight" really is. Will a room truly be "airtight" because you put a liitle duct tape around it? Hell no. If you go all out and completly enclose the room with plastic then "maybe" it will be airtight. Most likely the best you will achieve is to seal out enough air so there will not be enough fresh air to replace what you are using, but some seepage will still occur. If that seepage is the gas, which is likely, then your dead anyway. The whole idea is designed to make you think you can do something, in most cases I predict it will fail.
I have already pointed out how this is totally false. You cannot refuse that taping shut the obvious holes to a room will limit circulation to/from it, and thus lead to less exposure to whatever substance is in the air. Poison gas does not work on an either/or basis, one molecule of a poison is never enough to kill you. Nothing is ever "airtight". Nothing ever needs to be "airtight".

FFS, even just taking the family into the bathroom and shutting the door and staying in there for an hour might save you.
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FFS, even just taking the family into the bathroom and shutting the door and staying in there for an hour might save you.
It certainly has as much chance of helping as the duct tape does.
Tactitus is right about the untaping to, how long will you stay in there? When the air gets thin will you be mentally alert enough to know it, or will you just drift off to sleep and die?
The duct tape is a stupid idea, I'll have no part of it. No ones going to launch an attack on my farm anyway.
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