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Recruits
Continued from this thread to avoid derailing it.
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Originally Posted by Razorback
thats wrong, considering the current universe displays the ranking of the already 2 "broken ticks"
Therefore the current universe is 2 ticks after the game was last accessable.
By your logic it would already display the new joiners since it ticked twice while noone was able to be added anymore.
^^ Thats just a technical clearification
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The game went down soon after the 6am tick, most fangs were free to join then. However, how many of them would have been online? Correct, most were added after jpaweb01 was restarted but while ticks were still stopped. Thats just a technical clearification
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Originally Posted by Salt
I just came back and read this with quite amusement. You don't see any difference between these two situations at all? Allow me to point them out to you....
Eclipse took in members from what had been a friendly alliance.
Elysium took in members from what had been a hostile alliance. (some of whom even made it a habit of slagging off Ely in AD)
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The fact that they were hostile makes it all the more deserved. Dragons could have kicked their closed/inactive planets and made more than enough room to take on plenty of fangs to reach #1. The fact that these fangs would rather join Elysium and give victory to an alliance they were recently at war with shows the positive impression we've made on them (come to think of it, why didn't they talk to Ecl HC to join there?... Being #1 allliance already, etc.)
And I don't see what the AD comment has to do with shit. Ely/Ecl slagged each other off while at war in r9, does that mean we weren't allowed to co-operate in r9.5? Propaganda, nothing more.
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Originally Posted by Salt
Eclipse took in members midway through the round meaning they've contributed to the success of the alliance for 1000ish ticks on both offense/defense.
Elysium took in members near the very end of the round meaning they've contributed nothing to Ely's success but their score to hopefully bump Ely up to number 1 in the rankings.
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The high average score of Elysium planets (probably the best from any alliance with over 40 members) is the contributing factor here. Were it not for that we wouldn't have the room or the ranking for these recruits, and that is what's reflected in our new ranking. Being able to take on less than 10 planets, and still take #1 spot over an alliance with an extra 30 (20%) members shows what our average member has done for Ely this round. Their reward.
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Originally Posted by Salt
Eclipse took in zero top 100 members when they allowed members from Virus to join.
Elysium probably took in only top 100-200 members when they allowed the ex-fangers to join.
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The quality of the recruits has nothing to do with it. Would eclipse have turned down top 100 recruits? Would Ely have turned down none top100 ones? Both sides took what was available at that time, I'm sorry but you're just jealous that we were luckier here.
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Originally Posted by Salt
Eclipse took in members that had to endure 72 hours of no eta 7 defense in the midst of a very hostile universe (one where fang/dragons/vision was doing quite well).
Elysium took in members that were protected from the only real powerful alliances left (minus Dragons ofc who has enough trouble keeping up against EET with no Fang around to help and a very weak Vision).
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This shows how little you know of the situation here. At no point in the round were virus a major target for either 'block'. Not only does this reduce their overall incoming, but reduces the amount of time spent mapping their co-ords in order to give them incoming. I bet when Virus disbanded most alliances wouldn't know where hit half their members, and thats disregarding the fact that the planets weren't exactly big, fat targets. Unprotected Virus planets were more of a bonus than a target for two sides interested in hitting each others more strategic planets/gals.
Fang on the other hand was a very public implosion. The primary target in a block war, containing players who've collected enough grudges from opposing members to warrant police protection, and were on average very roidable planets without alliance protection (lo 750 roids with one ticks cap). You don't have the first clue of the amount of work that went into scanning for prelaunches, finding pre-def, contacting supposedly allied planets that had broken the nap to recall, and finally trying to grab as much ingal def as possible to cover multiple wave attacks. You made the easy assumption that our allies cared about protecting these recruits. The truth is they wanted the roids as much as we did.
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Originally Posted by Salt
You reward those that jumped ship who had been against EET all round while cheapening the victory for your true members that worked so hard all round.
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Refer to my point earlier on. Our quality and acheivement is already reflected in our score and low quantity. It does not cheapen our members to bring them to the top spot they deserve.
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Originally Posted by Salt
Your desire for the number one ranking is obviously more important to you than maintaining the integrity of your membership.
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Don't give me that bullshit. If that was true Walken and Krush would still be added ingame for score, rather than being removed for cheating. Can eclipse say the same about their closed planets? And more to the point, ask yourself honestly - "would focht really have turned down this offer if Eclipse were asked first?". Before you answer, consider the 3 Fangs they already accepted. All the fangs that were available for them to have...
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Originally Posted by Razorback
i only wish to point out that if really only 10 fang planets joined elysium in the end elysium hc are a band of cowards protecting 42 hostile planets for 3 days before the ticks stopped.
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We passed on the list we were given. There were planets there who thought they would go along with free Ely protection until they joined Dragons or similar, so lied to their peers. There are some who decided to just quit rather than give an easier victory to the opposing side. There are some who are yet to join. How you can call us cowards for wanting to protect some quality recruits is beyond me.
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Can I ask Eclipse why it is more 'fair' to take easy, undefended roids from a now demoralised alliance (one that caused its own demise, rather than crumbling to constant pressure from our side), than it is to show enough of a positive public image and level of quality that convinces said hostiles to defect?
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14 Dec 2003, 04:16
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Re: Recruits
are you bored Xto? nice read..the parts that i didnt skip anyway.
Round 10.5 Elysium vs Eclipse
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
LCH is too far away, now they are the same roid amout as 1up
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14 Dec 2003, 04:18
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Re: Recruits
nah i think he just wants to set the record straight
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14 Dec 2003, 04:22
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by xtothez
Continued from this thread to avoid derailing it.
And I don't see what the AD comment has to do with shit. Ely/Ecl slagged each other off while at war in r9, does that mean we weren't allowed to co-operate in r9.5? Propaganda, nothing more.
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at least you finally admit that you cooperated in r9.5 already while every big alliance agreed to fight this round without allies. shows how much you can trust a word from Elysium and Eclipse
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14 Dec 2003, 04:25
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by Darky
at least you finally admit that you cooperated in r9.5 already while every big alliance agreed to fight this round without allies. shows how much you can trust a word from Elysium and Eclipse
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3 rounds and r 9
is all im gonna say.
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by Darky
at least you finally admit that you cooperated in r9.5 already while every big alliance agreed to fight this round without allies. shows how much you can trust a word from Elysium and Eclipse
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Hypocrite.
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24 Dec 2003, 19:22
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by xtothez
Hypocrite.
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well done XtotheZ u finally have a top500 planet congrats and about time too ^^ shame u couldnt have it earlier couldve bashed j00 then
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14 Dec 2003, 05:35
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Eclipse High Command
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by Darky
at least you finally admit that you cooperated in r9.5 already while every big alliance agreed to fight this round without allies. shows how much you can trust a word from Elysium and Eclipse
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Correction for the sake of elysiums reputation:
They didnt cooperate more with us in r9.5 than wp did in the final assualt on LDK, where basically all alliances were included. To some extend even rah was supporting this which should tell you about the impact of that cooperation.
To speak it out again for you: There was before this final assault no cooperation with Elysium at any point given.
Elysium so far cooperated like good allies for 2,x rounds with us (how much you wish to measure the end of r9.5 is your call) and through all different ways of playstyle and different positions which occure in the cooperation of humans from different national background adding to a competition between allies aswell there was never be a point to break our agreements deliberately or without the needed honor.
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14 Dec 2003, 04:34
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Re: Recruits
yes that to
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14 Dec 2003, 05:21
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Eclipse High Command
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Re: Recruits
Since im also bored ill give you a reply to each point, eventho cheerios asked before to settle it in the joint-room.
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Originally Posted by xtothez
The game went down soon after the 6am tick, most fangs were free to join then. However, how many of them would have been online? Correct, most were added after jpaweb01 was restarted but while ticks were still stopped. Thats just a technical clearification
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fair and square tho if there would be a rollback like in the example they wouldnt be added
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The fact that they were hostile makes it all the more deserved. Dragons could have kicked their closed/inactive planets and made more than enough room to take on plenty of fangs to reach #1. The fact that these fangs would rather join Elysium and give victory to an alliance they were recently at war with shows the positive impression we've made on them (come to think of it, why didn't they talk to Ecl HC to join there?... Being #1 allliance already, etc.)
And I don't see what the AD comment has to do with shit. Ely/Ecl slagged each other off while at war in r9, does that mean we weren't allowed to co-operate in r9.5? Propaganda, nothing more.
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Dragons will prolly take the rest, nevertheless this equals not out why in gods name you protected 42 planets (of which 14 were closed during your protection which shows how much you cared in the first place). About the question why they wanted to join you, i pasted logs of Fang to Elysium-command where this is explained in detail. That you were used as a tool there makes it not deserved either.
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The high average score of Elysium planets (probably the best from any alliance with over 40 members) is the contributing factor here. Were it not for that we wouldn't have the room or the ranking for these recruits, and that is what's reflected in our new ranking. Being able to take on less than 10 planets, and still take #1 spot over an alliance with an extra 30 (20%) members shows what our average member has done for Ely this round. Their reward.
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This is a clear cut indeed, tho we both know "average" statistics are easy to cut if you kick the smallest 30 planets and coop planets which basically "belong" to the alliance yet dont need the eta 7 advantage like players who dedicated themself purely to scanning.
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The quality of the recruits has nothing to do with it. Would eclipse have turned down top 100 recruits? Would Ely have turned down none top100 ones? Both sides took what was available at that time, I'm sorry but you're just jealous that we were luckier here.
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Infact yes we did not only on this case but on several.
Note our decrease from 8 -> 2 after reviewing their applications.
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This shows how little you know of the situation here. At no point in the round were virus a major target for either 'block'. Not only does this reduce their overall incoming, but reduces the amount of time spent mapping their co-ords in order to give them incoming. I bet when Virus disbanded most alliances wouldn't know where hit half their members, and thats disregarding the fact that the planets weren't exactly big, fat targets. Unprotected Virus planets were more of a bonus than a target for two sides interested in hitting each others more strategic planets/gals.
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This shows how little you know i would say, certain "big" alliances like the one with D targetted them and more or less "legally" farmed them as they had no chance of defence.
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Fang on the other hand was a very public implosion. The primary target in a block war, containing players who've collected enough grudges from opposing members to warrant police protection, and were on average very roidable planets without alliance protection (lo 750 roids with one ticks cap). You don't have the first clue of the amount of work that went into scanning for prelaunches, finding pre-def, contacting supposedly allied planets that had broken the nap to recall, and finally trying to grab as much ingal def as possible to cover multiple wave attacks. You made the easy assumption that our allies cared about protecting these recruits. The truth is they wanted the roids as much as we did.
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Ofc everyone wanted those roids of the dead fang body since we were in war with them and Elysiums list of 42 was nowhere near logical or even realistic as the result shows. Tho from eclipse all attacks were recalled on those planets, even on our special friend with H.
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Refer to my point earlier on. Our quality and acheivement is already reflected in our score and low quantity. It does not cheapen our members to bring them to the top spot they deserve.
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No we already figured out earlier that it only reflects upon cleaning out the small planets to increase the average.
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Don't give me that bullshit. If that was true Walken and Krush would still be added ingame for score, rather than being removed for cheating. Can eclipse say the same about their closed planets? And more to the point, ask yourself honestly - "would focht really have turned down this offer if Eclipse were asked first?". Before you answer, consider the 3 Fangs they already accepted. All the fangs that were available for them to have...
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We removed cheaters from the ingame alliance, tho we had only 1 case where a 1.2k roid planet was caught and dealt with.
About the 2nd part you can keep guessing, our policy was clear at start we would only add ppl who have friends in eclipse who vouch for them (as its standard procedure which was only excluded on 2 occasions for 2 members each) Those 2 fangs which already joined us had all the needed vouchers 2-3 depending if a command member is vouching / ingal.
That we rejected the rest doesnt seem to appear possible to you, neither that there were more planets maybe fleeting the sinking fang ship, i remind you alone about the leigon offer which both you and us rejected, so if we were as eager as you discribe or better try to describe us, we wouldnt have or ?
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We passed on the list we were given. There were planets there who thought they would go along with free Ely protection until they joined Dragons or similar, so lied to their peers. There are some who decided to just quit rather than give an easier victory to the opposing side. There are some who are yet to join. How you can call us cowards for wanting to protect some quality recruits is beyond me.
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If some equals to the majority of the actively hostile alliance remaining from fang and including known traitors (who did damage to our whole block) and closed planets (irvine?) and some very dubious ppl you and elysium critizised before (lo kaifux / ldk group) and you still ask me what i find amuseing or cowardish about it i guess i cant help you and im sure noone can.
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Can I ask Eclipse why it is more 'fair' to take easy, undefended roids from a now demoralised alliance (one that caused its own demise, rather than crumbling to constant pressure from our side), than it is to show enough of a positive public image and level of quality that convinces said hostiles to defect?
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They lose roids because they lost the war and if you would spend maybe abit more time surfing dumps im sure you would find that fangs demise was not a self selected end but very much one inflicted by internal AND external pressure and a constant loss of roids and cheating incidents alongside of the high burnoutfactor their bc's and hc's suffered from. And last but not least the webangel scandal which leaded to the final decision to call it a day for alot of fang.
Yet im tired of replying over and over to the same questions so i will sum it up for you like i did in the joint channel already about 4 times now:
You can take those recruits and win the round by it, thats your fair call and we wont do anything to stop you because we signed an agreement with you from the start. Yet i will also tell you like i told the rest of your command that we dont respect the way you did it and the carelessness of how you treated our alliance-relationship by takeing in known traitors and cheaters just because they were part of the deal.
If you feel thats decent and allright i cant change your view but please dont exspect us to pat you on the back for it and to give you a nod of admiration for it.
Tho im happy that in the end the military campaign worked out between all 3 of us finally had its effect and showed that over all differences and animosities which came up during the round and ended the domination of fang/dragons/allies and ensured an EET alliance to win the round (most likely as of now).
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Eclipse High Command
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Re: Recruits
P.S. i dont wish any other eclipse to reply here since we have just given the official statement to the whole situation and will keep our alliance with elysiums to the letter.
Any internal questions from eclipse members can be directed towards me and noone of us will reply here further to prevent any further escalation of this unthankfull incident which has caused already so much tension.
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by Razorback
P.S. i dont wish any other eclipse to reply here since we have just given the official statement to the whole situation and will keep our alliance with elysiums to the letter.
Any internal questions from eclipse members can be directed towards me and noone of us will reply here further to prevent any further escalation of this unthankfull incident which has caused already so much tension.
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should have this rule already in place for ur members, to keep them from hurting the name of Eclipses or any alliance for that matter. As much as this is a free speach area, it makes it hard when people that don't have the whole picture or arn't in the command role adn respond for there alliance in a way that may not be liked be there commanders.
/me pats Razorback on the back for reminding his members
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14 Dec 2003, 06:27
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mr. c0ffee
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Re: Recruits
Ill post something fast before x->z has a chance to say he doesnt trust his stupid pe0ns to reply anything in here either
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From: Phil (1:1:7) Subject: you know Sent: Thu Apr 29 15:46:54 2004
this is verging on farming, you know perfectly well i have to run fleets. attack again and i`ll give serious thought to investigating you to see who else you farm, and possible close :P
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Evil has returned
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Re: Recruits
Well, i must say that I dont like this 'deal' either. Even had to recall an attack on a former fang who was suddenly friendly. I made my displeasure known on the ely server however and I'll spare those of you who don't want to read my crap.
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
LCH is too far away, now they are the same roid amout as 1up
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14 Dec 2003, 12:47
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Re: Recruits
I can't understand that an alliances recruits members they have been at war with for 2000 ticks. Especially because we all know the round wouldn't last much longer. As far as I see it it's only a cheap trick to gain a ton of score and roids just before the round ends. If an alliance (partly) disbands where 'my' alliance was at war with, I'd certainly not recruit them. I'd roid them dry as soon as possible.....
Call it naive for not grabbing the chance for a bunch of fresh active members, but those players have fought your members for 12 weeks. And now you want them in for the last week the round lasts? If they wanted to join I'd say that they had to wait till the end of the round. Don't your members feel ANY grudge against planets that have distroyed many Ely fleets and capped Ely roids?
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by General Martok
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As far as I see it it's only a cheap trick to gain a ton of score and roids just before the round ends. If an alliance (partly) disbands where 'my' alliance was at war with, I'd certainly not recruit them. I'd roid them dry as soon as possible.....
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Nail on the head etc.. at least as far as uninformed outsiders such as myself may see it. The cynic's view is clear... it's almost akin to the much vaunted "glory hunters" who support the leading football team of the time to be on the winning side. IMO, it's spineless and does not make them winners. I've never been a FaNG member but I have far more respect for those that stayed with the remains of that alliance or even within the same side of the war than those that jumped ship.
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14 Dec 2003, 13:54
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Re: Recruits
Xto, eventhough you now took in our top planets etc, everyone knows that FAnG earns the credits of their big score, FAnG earns the credits to have the #1 player and FAnG seems to partly help Elysium with this victory. Not the way I hoped it would turn out but hey, what can I do about it
Enjoy our forced, take care of them. Dumb Irvine
rgds Kj
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14 Dec 2003, 16:56
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
Xto, eventhough you now took in our top planets etc, everyone knows that FAnG earns the credits of their big score, FAnG earns the credits to have the #1 player and FAnG seems to partly help Elysium with this victory. Not the way I hoped it would turn out but hey, what can I do about it
Enjoy our forced, take care of them. Dumb Irvine
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half true, you earned it thanks to cheating - #1 is closed and alot other biggies are aswell(sorry to start this all over again)
but yes, i too have to admit you you are this rounds winners i guess :snowman:
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14 Dec 2003, 17:36
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Angels for life !
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by Nitros
half true, you earned it thanks to cheating - #1 is closed and alot other biggies are aswell(sorry to start this all over again)
but yes, i too have to admit you you are this rounds winners i guess :snowman:
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Bleen has been re-opened. I do believe he's clean and I regret he left us. I'm not saying Ely doesn't deserve to have these guys, they just have to realize and accept that those guys have been FAnG for the entire round and it was FAnG who was at the top, defending them each night and keeping them alive.
Ely cannot claim anything about those players, aside from recruiting them a week before the round is over ...
I know this sounds harsh and biassed, but EET didn't throw FAnG from #1 (eventhough Eclipse was damn close at overtaking and would probably succeeded in that). It was me and my HC that screwed over FAnG, not EET or Elysium.
rgds Kj
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
Bleen has been re-opened. I do believe he's clean and I regret he left us. I'm not saying Ely doesn't deserve to have these guys, they just have to realize and accept that those guys have been FAnG for the entire round and it was FAnG who was at the top, defending them each night and keeping them alive.
Ely cannot claim anything about those players, aside from recruiting them a week before the round is over ...
I know this sounds harsh and biassed, but EET didn't throw FAnG from #1 (eventhough Eclipse was damn close at overtaking and would probably succeeded in that). It was me and my HC that screwed over FAnG, not EET or Elysium.
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Doesn't matter who or what screwed you/FanG up, you simply didn't make it till the end of the round. In a car race one car can be leading all laps, but if his engine blows up right before finish, he still didn't win.
Besides having closed (top) planets always leaves a stain and makes claiming being the 'top' a bit doubtable regarding how exactly you managed being so 'top'.
If Ely gets top ranking by taking in your former hostile top planets, well smart move. Lame, but smart.
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Re: Recruits
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Originally Posted by Heartshunter
Doesn't matter who or what screwed you/FanG up, you simply didn't make it till the end of the round. In a car race one car can be leading all laps, but if his engine blows up right before finish, he still didn't win.
Besides having closed (top) planets always leaves a stain and makes claiming being the 'top' a bit doubtable regarding how exactly you managed being so 'top'.
If Ely gets top ranking by taking in your former hostile top planets, well smart move. Lame, but smart.
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to continue the analogy - fang had some parts fail on them - but it wasn;t very nice of ely to then take the parts that still worked for iheir own cars!
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Doesn't matter who or what screwed you/FanG up, you simply didn't make it till the end of the round. In a car race one car can be leading all laps, but if his engine blows up right before finish, he still didn't win.
Besides having closed (top) planets always leaves a stain and makes claiming being the 'top' a bit doubtable regarding how exactly you managed being so 'top'.
If Ely gets top ranking by taking in your former hostile top planets, well smart move. Lame, but smart.
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I dont think its particularly smart really. Taking in a bunch of ship jumpers just so that you can have a higher number than your ally doesnt seem terribly smart to me. No one will give them credit for winning a round just because they recruited thier score past thier ally's.
Just looks lame to me. Taking in top planets because you think thier players will contribute to ely in the future would be smart. But that doesnt seem to be the operative logic in ely's choice.
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Xto, eventhough you now took in our top planets etc, everyone knows that FAnG earns the credits of their big score, FAnG earns the credits to have the #1 player and FAnG seems to partly help Elysium with this victory. Not the way I hoped it would turn out but hey, what can I do about it
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untrue. EET saw that the curretn events would happen. thus we let them gain roids of mostly WP targets. so that we did not have to defend them
Actually they where placed in fang . and where going to jump sides from the beginning.
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Re: Recruits
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untrue. EET saw that the curretn events would happen. thus we let them gain roids of mostly WP targets. so that we did not have to defend them
Actually they where placed in fang . and where going to jump sides from the beginning.
same logic aplied... have a troll cookie
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get real Stress, everyone here knows those would NEVER have left FAnG this round if I and my HC didn't screw up.
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14 Dec 2003, 14:32
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All the posts related to this have been removed because they did derail the thread. Nice to see the drivel has continued here though .
At least i dont have to clean this shit up on here.
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Re: Recruits
I dont think its interesting to discuss is elysium or eclipse is the winner, fang won round 10...
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14 Dec 2003, 17:43
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Re: Recruits
lies
i have logs to proove it
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Re: Recruits
Elysium in recruiting people theyve been at war with for the entire round shocker.
Yes, Im sure you can go fap all around the campfire and reward your members in a "victory" by this recruitment.
Laughable.
Yet also amusing.
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14 Dec 2003, 19:58
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Re: Recruits
PS: I can post if I want and don't count as an Eclipse opinion since I havent played this round in Eclipse.
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14 Dec 2003, 20:45
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Re: Recruits
Seems to me that if both ely and ecl have similar scores, and are allied at the end of the round its a joint victory. Or does planetarion have different standards for winning now?
To be considered a winner over an ally you always needed a pretty effn big margin of size to prove that you deserve credit for a sole victory.
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14 Dec 2003, 21:42
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Seems to me that if both ely and ecl have similar scores, and are allied at the end of the round its a joint victory. Or does planetarion have different standards for winning now?
To be considered a winner over an ally you always needed a pretty effn big margin of size to prove that you deserve credit for a sole victory.
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again no single alliance will win this round. i call it a joint victory. Atleast is how I se it
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14 Dec 2003, 22:06
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again no single alliance will win this round. i call it a joint victory. Atleast is how I se it
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From the little info ive seen on the situation, Id have to agree. If you choose to make blocks for keeps, you choose to give up your right to claim solo victory. Only in a case where one alliance is clearly much stronger than the others amongst its allies could it possibly claim a right to call itself the winner, and that does not seem at all the case here.
If either ely or ecl want to be sole winners of the round, they should fight each other.
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Re: Recruits
hihi
Congratz Elysium.
does this mean since those new recruits don't count Ðragons have now most planets in top10 and top20
OMG \o/
ehhehehheeh
So this rounds winners
Elysium, FAnG, Ðragons and Eclipse (did I forget ToT didn't they win also).
Should I count also those who were allied to either ÐragonsFAnG or EET?
That would mean uhm... all alliances?
atleast Virus should be counted as winners since Eclipse would have been second ranked alliance without this recruiting scandal (I assume FAnG would still have won without that screwup). What about Vision?
OMG! WE ALL WON CONGRATZ
anyways now to ********... atleast the stats r right there.
so it can't suck more than planetarion does nowadays.
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heh such a small universe sucks doesn't it?
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15 Dec 2003, 13:36
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without the final disastor for fang i think eclipse would have one. The military action taken against fang in the days before the "accident" was highly succesful and before fang collapsed the eclipse=fang roid gap was negligble and it was clear that with continuing efforts fang would have been beaten in the alliance rankings at least.
From what I can tell the fangs choose ely to goto becuase that would piss eclipse off as eclipse would not be able to do anything about it. Had they gone to Dragons I am confident Dragons could ahve been defeated.
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15 Dec 2003, 16:39
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Re: Recruits
ely gets the points for winning the race then i guess, but they didn't have the best car.
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Re: Recruits
This round has no winners anyways....
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Re: Recruits
Those FAnG members joined Elysium for 2 reasons;
1- to piss off Eclipse as much as possible
2- to 'win' the round as member of the #1 alliance
The true winners of this round are the loyal and fair playing PA players and EET's HC + BC's.
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Re: Recruits
Who says they werent taken in ely just to piss of ppl?
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this is verging on farming, you know perfectly well i have to run fleets. attack again and i`ll give serious thought to investigating you to see who else you farm, and possible close :P
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Re: Recruits
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Who says they werent taken in ely just to piss of ppl?
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Maybe they want to piss off Ely too by departing the ingame Elysium alliance a few ticks before round ends I'd wet my pants if that happened
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Re: Recruits
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Maybe they want to piss off Ely too by departing the ingame Elysium alliance a few ticks before round ends I'd wet my pants if that happened
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That would probably be the funniest thing to happen all round
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Re: Recruits
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Maybe they want to piss off Ely too by departing the ingame Elysium alliance a few ticks before round ends I'd wet my pants if that happened
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Please let them
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Re: Recruits
why would that piss us of then? every1 said over and over again that those planets dont count anyway..
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this is verging on farming, you know perfectly well i have to run fleets. attack again and i`ll give serious thought to investigating you to see who else you farm, and possible close :P
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Re: Recruits
a player is a player, if player a is in ally a, he will prohably do the same good job in different ally if he tend to move.
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16 Dec 2003, 00:37
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Re: Recruits
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a player is a player, if player a is in ally a, he will prohably do the same good job in different ally if he tend to move.
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If they were simply recruiting some good players out of Fang's disaster that would be one thing. But taking in large numbers of people who are only joining to protect thier planet for the end of the round isnt good for the alliance long term.
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Re: Recruits
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If they were simply recruiting some good players out of Fang's disaster that would be one thing. But taking in large numbers of people who are only joining to protect thier planet for the end of the round isnt good for the alliance long term.
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define a large number
5?
10?
20?
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16 Dec 2003, 01:03
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really dont see why this is bad for the ally in long term, core is core
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Re: Recruits
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really dont see why this is bad for the ally in long term, core is core
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Um, newly recruited people tend not to be thought as "core" for their new alliance.
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Re: Recruits
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really dont see why this is bad for the ally in long term, core is core
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You dont see how letting in ship jumpers is bad fo an ally long term? Well, its fairly self evident really. They dont contribute anything, they make you look bad. They tend to either just want to use your alliance, or just leave when the round is over.
All in all the contribute nothing and can often do damage, ie bad for the long term.
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Re: Recruits
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You dont see how letting in ship jumpers is bad fo an ally long term? Well, its fairly self evident really. They dont contribute anything, they make you look bad. They tend to either just want to use your alliance, or just leave when the round is over.
All in all the contribute nothing and can often do damage, ie bad for the long term.
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what makes me laugh, is the fact that over half of them will probably return to FAnG. The ONLY reason why most ifnot all joined Ely (aside from FAnG HC screwing up) is to make sure Eclipse doesn't win the round. Not like they're in love with Elysium or planning to stay there
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